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"But you actually imagine that merely spouting words with no evidence whatsoever that they are remotely true means ANYTHING?"

Oh, but there is lots of evidence. Creation itself screams that there is a Creator. And the Bible itself proves who God is by it's ever constant prophetic fulfillments.
Did you know that the Bible says there would come a time when all buying and selling would be done with a mark that would include the numbers 666? And that these numbers are the main part in the barcode system we use for.... wait for it..... buying and selling?
And Jesus fulfilled hundreds of specific prophecies when He came. Born in Bethlehem. Born of a virgin. Would be a Nazareth. Etc etc etc... A statistical impossibility that happened in just His life. Let alone all of the other prophecies that show God is who He says He is. No other book like it in the world.
Because you are ignorant of these and so much more does not make them "no evidence whatsoever".

edwitness, Christian News Network 18 Comments [12/5/2018 1:54:50 PM]
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Malingspann

Creation itself screams that there is a Creator


Circular reasoning is still circular.

12/5/2018 1:56:54 PM

Citizen Justin

The 666 thing, incidentally, is because every barcode contains 'guide bars' at the beginning, middle and end, each guide bar being a double line. This is so the barcode reader has something to 'latch on to' before reading the information on the code.

Each of the three guide bars looks similar to the barcode for the number '6' but is slightly longer and the lines are slightly thicker (although that last part can be difficult to tell). Hence, 666.

Needless to say the barcode is not 'six hundred and sixty six' and nor is it marked on people, however, Fundies aren't going to let a little thing like the facts being wrong get in the way of their hysteria.

12/5/2018 3:00:06 PM

checkmate

all buying and selling would be done with a mark


Well, the Mark is gone and we now have the Euro. So what? ;-)

12/5/2018 3:06:29 PM

Kanna

I don't think you fully comprehend the difference between "statistical impossibility" (which doesn't exist) and just plain "impossibility". And since Mary isn't around to explain her "virginity" and Nazareth didn't exist at the time, let's just call that poetic license.

The "creators" were physics and chemistry and time. Lots and lots of time.

12/5/2018 4:32:19 PM

Ambulance Chaser

Look! I wrote a book that said in the first part that X will happen, and then in the last part, X happened! It’s a miracle!

12/5/2018 4:38:31 PM



Tyre being rebuilt proves bible can be wrong in prophecies

12/5/2018 4:51:31 PM

Anon-e-moose

Unless you're living 'Off the Grid': and even John Connor bought that which he needed to survive using cash he made doing odd jobs, and you're living a purely hunter-gatherer existence I seriously doubt that Hobby Lobby sells food & drink: least of all that without barcodes.

Survivalist Bear Grylls has a range of survival items for sale bearing his name: and they have a barcode on such. He's a former SAS reservist, is Chief Scout, and a Christian.

He always states in his TV series that one can survive up to three weeks without food, but go without water for three days and you'll die.

(*Drives to middle of Atacama Desert: where it hasn't rained for centuries thus is so biologically sterile, the last - and smallest - organic lifeform to exist there was Richard Hammond in the "Top Gear" Bolivia Special. Throws edwitless out of vehicle. Chucks him a Bible*)

I bet you make it 20 miles before you consider drinking that. Oh, wait...! [/"Quantum of Solace"]

12/5/2018 7:51:31 PM

Denizen

"And Jesus fulfilled hundreds of specific prophecies when He came. Born in Bethlehem. Born of a virgin. Would be a Nazareth. Etc etc etc.."

And yet utterly failed every actual prophecy concerning the Messiah.

"But he fulfilled hundreds of made-up prophecies!"

12/5/2018 9:16:23 PM

Thinking Allowed

And that these numbers are the main part in the barcode system we use for.... wait for it..... buying and selling?


Personally, their point would have more of a point if they updated their conspiracy theories and said RDIF chips. That makes it more believable in this day and age.

12/5/2018 9:35:08 PM

Titania

Does it? Maybe Baiame is the true creator spirit.

Oh, you basically need an EFTPOS or credit card to buy and sell these days. So, I just checked mine, and there's no 666, but I'm still good to go @ the shops.


12/5/2018 10:51:19 PM

Swede

How does creation itself scream? It still doesn't scream WHICH Creator. All scriptures and religions "prove" that it's their Creator.

Doesn't it say 616?
All buying and selling in Germany used to be with a mark, the Deutsche Mark. But now it's done in Euro instead.
Not all buying and selling is done with barcodes, dearie.

According to Judaism, which "owns" the first half of your Bible, the carpenter's son did NOT fulfill the specific prophecies, the Messiah has NOT arrived yet.

Dumbledore also is who He says He is. It's easy to do that in a book. You just state things in the beginning, and then make sure that the things you stated there come to pass, or to be, before the end of the story.
All other Scripture are also "like no other book in the world", honey.

You've been brainwashed, good and proper, have gobbled up all the drivel that pastors and perhaps parents have told you. It's all circular reasoning and already debunked myths and fairy-tales. There IS no evidence whatsoever in your post, other than for you being gullible. We have heard it all before, and it still doesn't hold any water.

12/6/2018 1:53:40 AM

K'Zad Bhat

For anyone who might still be thrown by the statistical improbability of the predictions of Jesus's birth, first note that "born of a virgin" is stated by many biblical scholars to mean either this is her first child, or born out of wedlock.

Second, I think much more significant, check out the book Futility by Morgan Robertson.

12/6/2018 2:40:55 AM



"Oh, but there is lots of evidence."

Lack of evidence is not a form of evidence.

@checkmate

In the 1980 the proposed European union was the 10 headed beast in Revelation
and therefore proof that the apocalypse was going to happen any minute now.

12/6/2018 6:16:37 AM

checkmate

@#2174821

@checkmate

In the 1980 the proposed European union was the 10 headed beast in Revelation
and therefore proof that the apocalypse was going to happen any minute now.


Well, then thank God for Brexit. We got saved in the last minute. And now we all get to watch the UK go down the toilet.

12/6/2018 6:50:01 AM

Doubting Thomas

Creation itself screams that there is a Creator.


Begging the question.

And the Bible itself proves who God is


How do you know the bible is true?

Did you know that the Bible says there would come a time when all buying and selling would be done with a mark that would include the numbers 666? And that these numbers are the main part in the barcode system we use for.... wait for it..... buying and selling?


Bullshit. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/a-scan-of-wealth-and-taste/

And Jesus fulfilled hundreds of specific prophecies when He came.


You mean a character in a book fulfilled what was said about him earlier in the book. That's not fulfilling prophecy, that's a literary character following the foreshadowing which was set down earlier.

And in any case, Jesus didn't even fulfill prophecy about the messiah, since the messiah was supposed to be an earthly king and military leader who would lead an army to conquer the Assyrians (IIRC). Since Jesus never did that, then Jesus wasn't the messiah. The messiah was also supposed to be called Immanuel, which Jesus never was called that in the NT.

A statistical impossibility that happened in just His life.


There is absolutely no evidence outside the bible that he ever actually existed. In fact, the lack of mention of his execution in the Roman records is telling.

Because you are ignorant of these and so much more does not make them "no evidence whatsoever".


No, what makes it "no evidence whatsoever" is that the bible has absolutely nothing to prove that any of the stories in it are true. What makes it "no evidence whatsoever" is that you just have an old book of myths. Even if you could prove that one story in the bible actually happened, you can't prove that anything else in the bible is true. You're basically just saying that the bible is true because the bible says so.

12/6/2018 6:53:22 AM

Dr. Razark

"Oh, but there is lots of evidence."

Y'all keep saying that. Either put up or shut up.



"Creation itself screams that there is a Creator."

But first you have to show that the universe was created, before you can use it as evidence of a creator.



"And the Bible itself proves who God is..."

Did I miss the part where you prove that the bible is a true and accurate record? Cause, you know, you have to do that first.



"Did you know that the Bible says..."

Did I miss the part where you prove that the bible is a true and accurate record? Cause, you know, you have to do that first.



"And Jesus fulfilled hundreds of specific prophecies when He came."

And most of those prophecies were not recorded beyond "And he did something, as the prophecy foretold."



"No other book like it in the world."

No. The local bookshop has a whole section of fantasy. Most of it better written and making more sense.



"Because you are ignorant of these and so much more does not make them 'no evidence whatsoever'."

True. The fact that they're no evidence whatsoever makes them "no evidence whatsoever".

12/6/2018 8:41:29 AM

Chloe

There's plenty of fictional books that foretell something then later on fulfill the prophecy. This isn't a good reason to consider it true or that Jesus was the son of God.

12/6/2018 9:13:38 AM

Canadiest

"No other book like it in the world.


except for MANY books like it, like the ones it stole from. Cheap plagiarism, easy exposed. Just search "Biblical plagiarism". Very little is original and what is, is lamer.

12/6/2018 3:18:58 PM

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