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[Submitter's note: OP deactivated their blog after another user wrote up a long response debunking this post. URL is from that debunking post]

While I think it’s great seeing all the excitement and press coverage about India legalizing gay sex, I think it’s really important to remember that this is NOT India progressing due to Western influence. This is India decolonizing.

The homophobic statute that was overturned is a product of British colonialism in India. Prior to that, India had a rich and vibrant queer community that played important functions in society. There were queer Hindu gods and hijras serve as an example of how queerness in society was venerated. This is not something to patronize India over and congratulate ourselves in the West for. This is a victory for India reclaiming their culture.

mosesoftacos, Tumblr 10 Comments [9/14/2018 1:30:55 PM]
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Quasirodent

Someone explain the problem with this?

9/14/2018 1:35:00 PM

SpukiKitty

Same, here. Very *meh* and stuff like sexism and homophobia were indeed adaptations made (or at least exacerbated) due to centuries outside influences from Abrahamics, Colonials, etc.

The Vedas actually reflected a society that was somewhat more egalitarian.

This gets a big *meh* from me. It's not 100% accurate but it's not 100% wrong, either.

9/14/2018 2:23:19 PM

Zinnia

I've read the Kama Sutra. A direct translation of the real one, not the ones which are essentially cultural appropriations of the sex-related stuff in the middle third of it. I get the impression that, while same-sex relationships and gender-nonconforming people were tolerated to varying degrees (depending on region), even in the most tolerant areas it was still widely considered to be "improper behavior" that no virtuous person should engage in. If anything, there may have been somewhat more tolerance toward pedophilia, at least among the upper castes. Plus the Hijrah seem to have been ghettoized even before the conquest of the British Empire, which doesn't suggest they were well-treated. So while the Brits did make things worse, it was hardly a paradise for LGBT+ people before they got there.

So no, "India decolonizing" isn't the whole picture.

9/14/2018 2:52:31 PM

Iron Warrior

@ Quasirodent, SpukiKitty:

The fact that the submitter noted there's a debunking should be a hint. Go to the link, read the response thoroughly, and comprehend it.

9/14/2018 2:52:56 PM

pyro

I originally wanted to reject it, but then I read the debunking...

9/14/2018 2:57:51 PM

Happy Atheist

Yeah, the debunking makes all the difference.

Basically, it says that yes the law was put on the books by the British, but the homophobia and misogyny was already deeply ingrained in Indian culture beforehand, and all the lauding of 'queer Hindu gods and hijras' is not only unwarranted but historically inaccurate.

9/14/2018 3:24:10 PM

Anon-e-moose

So India has only legalised homosexuality in 2018.

It was legalised in Britain in 1967. It took another 46 years to legalise same-sex marriage here.

9/14/2018 3:51:45 PM

hydrolythe

@SpukiKitty

I remember funnily enough that Nietzsche considered the Vedas to be a farce. Seriously, go and look up "Beyond Good and Evil".

9/14/2018 5:12:45 PM

Quasirodent

@Iron Warrior

Ah, thanks. I get it now. I would have to say that merely being misinformed isn't enough to be fundie imo. More of a 'bless your heart'. I suppose it depends on how easily they changed their position and corrected themselves.

Also, it took me a while to realize that the 'url' you were referring to was the source link at the bottom, so if anyone else got confused, you need to click where it says 'Tumblr'.

9/14/2018 6:37:06 PM

SpukiKitty

Well; I read the link. She's from India and therefore knows her culture and, while I'm still a ShaktaPagan who sees cool stuff in VedaDharma, I do realize that I was very shortsighted and that the idea of "Abrahamic Culture invented misogyny and homophobia" is a stupid as anything.

The Muslims, Christians and Brits may have made stuff worse but I realized that it gained traction due to those attitudes being present in India and other places to begin with.

I stand corrected.

9/16/2018 9:25:28 PM

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