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Two hundred years ago, human beings were subject to harsh Natural Selection. People born with mutant genes, those who had a poor immune system, simply didn’t grow old enough to procreate. Forty percent of us died before we reached adulthood. This is now down to negligible levels in developed countries.

Accordingly, Woodley of Menie and his team aver that Calhoun’s experiment–which created a “Mouse Utopia”–will provide a good indication of what will happen to us.

In Calhoun’s “Mouse Utopia” at the University of Maryland, there were no predators, no bad weather, no possibility to escape, and no epidemics, because the mice were ensured to be healthy when they entered. There was a huge amount of space. It was, in other words, paradise for mice.

In July 1968, the experiment began. The parallels with the Industrial Revolution are simply spooky. Just as with the Industrial Revolution, which witnessed the collapse of child mortality due to improved medical science and living conditions, there was an enormous population spike. Numbers doubled every 55 days until there were 620 mice.

At this point population growth began to slow down, just as happened in Western countries in the early Twentieth Century. Doubling then only occurred every 145 days. And, just as in the West, Calhoun started to see more and more elderly—and even senile—mice.

By day 315, Calhoun started to notice interesting behavior changes in the mice. More and more males became what he called “the beautiful ones.” These effete males would make no attempt to fight or copulate with females. They simply spend their time washing each other and eating.

By contrast, female behavior became increasingly aggressive: they would attack males, throw their offspring out of the nest too young, attack their young, and actively avoid sex.

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Calhoun put this collapse down to the consequences of overcrowding. But Woodley and his team showed that the colony was nowhere close to overcrowded when the population growth began to decline. Woodley and his team see the problem as much more fundamental.

They argue that all health problems, both physical and mental, are interrelated. This is because they all reflect the same phenomenon: what the team call “high mutational load.”

For example, consider autism. It is definitely a result of mutant genes because it is more likely to develop the older your father is, meaning it a result of defective, mutant sperm. Autism is associated with all manner of other mental and physical health problems.

The Woodley of Menie team further argue that the brain is extremely sensitive to mutation, because it is fantastically complicated. 84% of our genome relates to the brain. This means that even a small number of mutations can have a massive impact on behavior. The effect is magnified in social animals like mice and men behavior is learned and mutations can interfere with social processes which allow adaptive behavior to be correctly taught.

Woodley of Menie calls these “spiteful mutations.” And as the carriers grow in number, they can pressure even non-carriers to conform to their maladaptive behavior.

For example, childless women may encourage other women not to have children. Mothers are shamed as “failures” because they didn’t focus on a career. Even non-carriers of maladaptive behavior are impacted.

In other words, mice have key evolved instincts which allow them to survive. Every generation, some mutant mice—who lack these instincts–are born. But their maladaptive instincts—no desire to breed or fight, or zero maternal instinct—are a product of mutation. They also carry other mutations, leading to poor immune systems or physical weakness. So they die young, and don’t pass on their mutant genes.

But in Calhoun’s mouse experiment, these mice survived and had children. The children survived and more and more mutations built-up until the potentially normal mice were a tiny minority who didn’t have the chance to learn appropriate behavior or how to relate to other mice.

And, ultimately, almost all the mice were mutants. The rest were totally maladapted and the population died out.

This “Mutational Meltdown” is happening in the West. The authors present clear evidence for it: huge spikes in autism and genetic disorders. This could be extended to include the prevalence of eating disorders, homosexuality, sexual identity problems, and the desire to not have children.

“Spiteful mutations” undermine things like religion, which is little more than a way of promoting evolutionary imperatives. For example: go forth and multiply, cooperative with each other, repel the invader.

But we now have liberal religion, which is basically post-modernism plus a vague religious sense. It reflects the increasing number of people whose instinct is to destroy their own genetic interests.

Humans have evolved instincts. In the past, those with mutant genes causing them to lack them died young without passing on their genes. Now, this is not the case. They live to adulthood, often pass on their own genes and, even they don’t, they still alter the carefully selected nature of the group.

Put simply, we are living in a society increasing composed of and dominated by mutants. And they can be tentatively identified by the fact that they reject the behavioral norms and views which were the unquestioned norm only a few generations ago.

But there is crucial difference between Mouse Utopia and the West. We are the scientists who are maintaining our own utopia. There is a growing body of evidence that intelligence is decreasing. Eventually we won’t be intelligent enough to sustain utopia and we will collapse back to pre-industrial levels of Natural Selection.

The current model of society, like the “Mouse Utopia,” is heading to collapse.

The only questions are whether we can turn it around.

And, if we can’t, what will succeed it.

Lance Welton, VDARE 13 Comments [9/3/2018 2:21:30 PM]
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hydrolythe

Anyone describing the Industrial Revolution as a paradise is obviously ignorant.

9/3/2018 2:27:51 PM

Anon-e-moose

The Red Fox (Vulpes Vulpes) is Britain's largest predator.

Without them, it would be an agricultural dystopia: as our farmers' crops would be decimated by a Mouse Utopia.

So there's your 'argument' decimated. Oh, and here's something else that decimates your way of thinking completely; no 'Mouse' metaphor required. Via the co-operation of the Church of England and Charles Darwin...:



...they tell you to go fuck yourself.

Just that image alone repels you.

One more thing: When there's someone with an Adamantium skeleton & claws: with a Healing Factor, an African Witch-Queen with Meteorological Manipulation abilities etc, get back to us Lanciepoos.

9/3/2018 3:13:21 PM

Citizen Justin

The 'spike in autism' is explained by people actually knowing what autism is, and also that it's not just Raymond but apparently ordinary people who can have some degree of it. (I also think it's being over-diagnosed but that's just a personal opinion.)

The spike in eating disorders is explained by people actually having access to food whenever they want it (instead of scoffing it whenever they managed to get any), and also a greater understanding (see autism).

The 'spike in homosexuality' is explained by people not pretending to be straight any more, which is actually a good thing for society. Besides, 'out' homosexuals rarely pass their genes on, for obvious reasons. (They were actually more likely to pass their genes on when they were forced to be in the closet.)

Ditto for people who don't want kids (raises hand). Like being gay it's become more acceptable, and in addition anyone who isn't a moron knows there are too many people anyway.

The present industrial society is indeed unsustainable and heading for collapse, but not because of the reasons Lance Welton says it is.

9/3/2018 3:40:54 PM

gimel

"Two hundred years ago, human beings were subject to harsh Natural Selection. People born with mutant genes, those who had a poor immune system, simply didn’t grow old enough to procreate."

Apparently rich and powerful were not human (Uebermenschen?). Good to know.

"[Autism] is definitely a result of mutant genes because it is more likely to develop the older your father is, meaning it a result of defective, mutant sperm."

Citation most definitely needed. Unless you confuse it with Down's syndrome. Which is caused by sperm defective, yes, but not mutated. Also, I'm reasonably certain this spike is a result of better diagnosis, at least partly. Just like CitizenJustin says.

"84% of our genome relates to the brain."

Just when DID you manage to read non-coding DNA? Also, DNA codes for proteins. Certain proteins are all but omnipresent in our body. With that in mind, how much of human DNA relates to the liver? To the colon? To the pancreas?

"Humans have evolved instincts."

Well, yes and no. Compared to other animals, our repository of instincts is woefully lacking. They were and are supplanted by intelligence.

"Put simply, we are living in a society increasing composed of and dominated by mutants. And they can be tentatively identified by the fact that they reject the behavioral norms and views which were the unquestioned norm only a few generations ago."

Or, perhaps, cultural evolution overtook biological evolution? Which isn't nearly as fast as you make it out to be? Assuming statistical mean of the mother's age at birth is 20, that gives us 10 generations since Napoleon. Assuming average mother is 25 at birth, 10 generations ago Watt's engine was made. So, the entire Industrial Revolution was 10-12 generations ago. Just how fast is this process you picture as evolution?

"There is a growing body of evidence that intelligence is decreasing."

Citation very much needed.

Also, one last thing. Humans are not mice. Humans are not lobsters. Humans are not ants. Humans are not wolves. Humans, for certain purposes, are not even chimpanzees. Humans are humans.

9/3/2018 4:08:44 PM

Lucilius

If having the brains of degenerate rodents was a harbinger of collapse, you Nazi shitheads would be the first to go.

9/3/2018 4:22:18 PM

KingOfRhye

We're not "increasing(ly) composed of and dominated by mutants," we've always been mutants. Everybody's a mutant. There's bad mutations and good mutations.

9/3/2018 4:45:28 PM

Kanna

Got any suggestions as to how to "turn it around"?
If your only answer is genocide, then I guess I'd prefer to go out "not with a bang, but a whimper".

9/3/2018 4:55:30 PM

Skide

Yup, we`re all mustants, there`s more of us by the day and WE. ARE. COMING. FOR. YOU. UGABUGABUGA!!!!

9/3/2018 8:51:38 PM

Passerby

The fact the mice were increasingly inbred towards the end had nothing to do with it, I'm sure. And Calhoun setting things up to study the effects of overpopulation specifically with uninhibited growth and unlimited food/water rather than trying to make everything about genetics - which again would be affected by all that inbreeding - obviously means nothing.

Directly from Wikipedia:

"The conclusions drawn from this experiment were that when all available space is taken and all social roles filled, competition and the stresses experienced by the individuals will result in a total breakdown in complex social behaviors, ultimately resulting in the demise of the population."

Interestingly in Calhoun's first experiment in an open 10 X 14 foot pen where the mice determined their own social groupings and living structures their population stabilized at a consistent 150 to 200 rats in 12 rat communities. This is what their natural instincts led them to do to manage their own population. His later experiments used prefabricated artificial environments which had a definite effect on their behaviour. You made some less-than-inspired remarks about the intelligence to maintain utopia but gloss over that the rats weren't the ones shaping their world when universe 25 - a 101 square inch living environment where rats were in the constant company of hundreds of other rats experiencing social pressures and competing with untenable numbers - crashed. The "beautiful ones" separated themselves from the group using the defensible pen or "apartment" areas that allowed them more living room as the crowded central areas devolved into violence but just the same were only interested in taking care of themselves. In isolation mice held off on reproduction of their own accord, in this nearly inescapable group setting it became an obligatory activity and offspring merely a byproduct rather than anything they would invest in. In such massive crowds there was a loss of personal connection and empathy while at the same time being under constant judgment and a never-ending competition where "winning" still holds no appeal if it's even possible. Not all that different from humans, actually. Honestly we have a disadvantage compared to the mice in that there is a deliberate social pressure to reproduce even for those who are disinclined and with little regard for the ability to raise children to adulthood. We already experience the paradox of the "abortion is murder" crowd and how they will viciously turn on women who choose life making the actual raising of those children nightmarish and an extreme surge in men who assert it is their right and imperative to spread their seed as wide as possible then vanish to leave women to raise the children.

9/3/2018 10:11:12 PM

Man Called True

"There is a growing body of evidence that intelligence is decreasing."

This isn't Idiocracy, dumbass.

9/4/2018 8:08:05 AM

Doubting Thomas

For example, consider autism. It is definitely a result of mutant genes because it is more likely to develop the older your father is, meaning it a result of defective, mutant sperm.


Oh bullshit. We all know that autism is caused by the mercury in vaccines. And from gluten. Do try to keep up.

9/4/2018 10:52:42 AM

Strong the Supermutant

Haha! The Commonwealth is ours, brothers!

9/5/2018 10:32:50 PM

Swede

In what way was the Industrial Revolution a paradise? Living conditions were probably better at the old farm than in the new and increasingly crowded cities, with new diseases thriving.

So, both males AND females actively avoided sex? Well, when the offspring was already having offspring of their own, why procreate? Grandparents among humans seldom have new children of their own.

I’m a childless woman, but I’ve never encouraged other women to not have children, nor to have children. That’s their choice, not mine. You can have children AND focus on a career, if the society provides proper daycare.

Repel the invader? You haven’t read the Bible, have you? Jesus said again and again to love thy neighbor, to treat foreigners like your own blood.

they reject the behavioral norms and views which were the unquestioned norm only a few generations ago


Yup, these young men definitely reject the behavioral norm of solidarity and respect.


9/6/2018 1:10:02 AM

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