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If we going to “unlearn the lies” then lets not start with a lie: People try to discredit the rapture theory by saying that Darby invented it. Whether this is through ignorance or to discredit it, it is simply untrue. You cannot say that “no one and I say no one” talked about the rapture prior to Edwards and Darby.

Look at a few scholars from the 1st century onwards who held the belief in a rapture:

The Pre- Trib Rapture view goes back to very early beginnings of Christianity and the church. Obviously writings of Paul also epistles of Barnabas, also Irenaeus (2nd century), Hippolytus, Justin Martyr (2nd century). Ephraem of Nisibis (the Syrian) (4th century). Others from 1686 Pierre Jurieu, John Asgill, Phillip Doddridge, James McKnight, Morgan Edwards and others.

Remember that the medieval church could not preach a doctrine of wrath been poured out on the very “kings” and rulers that paid their salaries. Hence one of the main reasons for an a-millennial view by the majority of denominational churches.

Rev 3:10 says specifically that the church of Philadelphia (missionary church) will not go through the tribulation. Also that some will go through unless they repent. How will they not go through if they repent?

Do not confuse the coming of Jesus for His saints (and the dead) in the rapture with the events that happen when he comes to judge the world and fight for Israel.


1 Th 4:16 and 1 Cor 15:51

BEFORE AFTER

He Comes for His own He comes with His own
He comes in the air He comes in the earth
Only His own will see Him All will see Him
Great Trib begins Millennium rule begins
Saints Ascend to heaven Saints come to earth
Earth not Judged Earth Judged
Imminent (anytime) Predictable – many prophecies , Psalms Daniels prophecies?

Paul Gallimore, Youtube 6 Comments [8/10/2018 9:24:35 AM]
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CC

Revelations is about Rome destroying Jerusalem. That's what the Book of Daniek spells out.

8/10/2018 9:50:05 AM

Malingspann

BEFORE AFTER

He Comes for His own He comes with His own
He comes in the air He comes in the earth
Only His own will see Him All will see Him
Great Trib begins Millennium rule begins
Saints Ascend to heaven Saints come to earth
Earth not Judged Earth Judged
Paul Gallimore dreaming Paul Gallimore frustrated it was just a dream

8/10/2018 10:27:08 AM

Kanna

If we are going to "unlearn the lies" then let's not start with a whole string of lies. It doesn't matter in what century someone says it, because that only means that someone said it. Big deal. The bible and other early writers who talk about god, rapture, heaven, hell, or angels...why is it that nobody has ever produced any evidence of those places or entities? Think about that for a while.

8/10/2018 10:27:48 AM

Pharaoh Bastethotep

Remember that the medieval church could not preach a doctrine of wrath been poured out on the very “kings” and rulers that paid their salaries

You fail history forever.

8/10/2018 10:55:07 AM



Remember that the medieval church could not preach a doctrine of wrath been poured out on the very “kings” and rulers that paid their salaries. Hence one of the main reasons for an a-millennial view by the majority of denominational churches. 




From Jacob Harrison school of failing history

8/10/2018 11:08:11 AM

Anon-e-moose

People try to discredit the rapture theory


People don't need to.

It was done for them on 21st of May & October 2011 by Harold Camping.

When even he had to admit his own lies, you fundies since then know you've got problems.

Because you don't actually have any. Now.

And indeed: that's the problem.

8/10/2018 2:47:06 PM

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