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The First morality test of Slavery – How did the slave come to be owned by their master?

Did they voluntarily give themselves as a slave in exchange for protection and economic security?

Were they born from slave parents?

Were they sold as a slave by their father?

Did they voluntarily sell themselves to pay off debtors?

Were they forced into servitude by governing authorities either because of debts they owed or because of a crime they committed?

Were they captured as a prisoner of a just war?

Were they kidnapped and forced to be a slave?

Biblically speaking, if a person were to answer yes to any of the first six questions, then the way that they became a slave was not wrong. If however the person was kidnapped and forced into slavery, then this type of slavery would be immoral and wrong.

The Second morality test of Slavery – How is the slave being treated by their master?

Are food, clothing and shelter being provided to the slave?

Is the slave being treated justly and fairly?

Is the slave being given proper rest?

Is the slave not being physically abused?

If the answer to all these questions is yes regarding the treatment of slaves in a particular situation then this instance of slavery would be moral – Biblically speaking.

biblicalgenderroles, Biblical Gender Roles 16 Comments [8/9/2018 10:46:42 AM]
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Kanna

And that's the reason that we have no desire to find our morality in the bible.

8/9/2018 11:04:50 AM

Happy Atheist

Four of the first six questions involve the slave being forced into slavery. I suppose they weren't kidnapped though...so that must be the thing that makes it immoral? You can force someone into slavery and it's all good by the Bible, so long as you didn't kidnap them first.

8/9/2018 11:17:28 AM

checkmate

Biblically speaking


Right! So fuck the Bible. And go to Hell while you're at it. And take your Bible with you.

Speaking with his holiness The Flying Spaghetti Monster, slavery is never moral or right.

FSM 1 : Bible 0

8/9/2018 11:29:39 AM

Alencon

I seriously beginning to think of the bible as pornography, really bad pornography.

8/9/2018 1:28:07 PM

Citizen Justin

Biblically speaking, yes it would be moral.

As Kanna said, that's why no-one worth speaking of draws their morality from the Bible.

@ Alencon: Have you tried Gor?

8/9/2018 3:41:53 PM

Anon-e-moose

Yes, Slavery was once 'moral'. Until two people came and put a socio-political spanner in & fucked up everything permanently. One was Abraham Lincoln. The other? William Wilberforce.

As he was an Evangelical Christian, enjoy your paradox.

There isn't in the KJV he used being preserved in his study kept as is in what was his home, now a museum & memorial to him.

By the council of the Glorious Peoples Socialist Republic of Kingston-upon-Hull.

8/9/2018 3:47:07 PM



Slavery has no fucking morality

8/9/2018 5:11:17 PM

Passerby

First morality test of slavery:

Do you believe it morally correct literally own someone and decide their fate with no decision you cannot simply override including whether they live or die?

1) Yes.
2) It depends.
3) Are you kidding? No!

If your answer was not 3 your morality is based on power alone and any caveats you try to add about how you came to own a slave are ways to avoid or fast-talk your way past someone with the power to contest your ownership. Hard labour as a penal sentence is not nearly the same thing as slavery as for one thing a prisoner's life is not placed in an individual's hands. Their activities can be determined and noncompliance can be punished but they are *not* stripped of bodily autonomy. They cannot be bred like an animal, forced to allow access or alteration to their own bodies, (the use of chemical castration is something I am opposed to as for one thing as in addition to moral quandaries it's an admission you find a convict likely to re-offend,) or sold off. They are still a human being with recourse in the law and not a commodity. They still have rights. Slaves do not.

Argue the semantics of indentured servitude and limitations by contract if you like but slavery will never be anything short of the most vile crime you can inflict upon sentient life.

8/9/2018 5:13:52 PM

creativerealms

Parents who would sell their kids to slavery are horrible parents.

8/9/2018 5:21:25 PM

...What.

Actually, in the real world, "The First morality test of Slavery" is "Is it actual slavery ?" (as opposed to participating in the functioning of the nation, as some people would call TAXES slavery)

If you answered yes, then CONGRATS ! It is immoral.

8/10/2018 12:15:36 AM

Titania

“Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally.”
— Abraham Lincoln

8/10/2018 1:59:57 AM

Swede

So you'd be fine with being made slave in any of the first six ways, and you'd think you were treated well as long as you weren't beaten so much you died within three days? Right?

Right?

8/10/2018 3:02:58 AM

KingOfRhye

Biblically speaking, the Bible sounds pretty damn immoral.

8/10/2018 3:27:10 AM

Kuyohashi

Pfft, you have two tests to determine the morality of slavery? Motherfucker, please, you only need ONE slavery morality test.
It goes like this:


Do you have people working for you against their will, without pay, and they can't say no, or leave your employ?

If yes, you have no claim to morality.

ALL slavery is wrong. Legal, institiutional, biblical, doesn't matter, it's all evil.

8/10/2018 3:53:30 AM

Dr. Razark

"Is the slave being treated justly and fairly?"

Is the slave free to leave at any time?
If not, then the answer is no. That in itself is enough to declare slavery immoral. So, without even addressing any of the other wrongnesses here, your book condones evil.

8/10/2018 6:38:59 AM

Doubting Thomas

See, this is why society is much, much more moral than the bible is. Even if someone came to me willingly to be my slave, I'd still turn them down because owning another human being is wrong and immoral.

8/10/2018 7:49:35 AM

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