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Being forced to take the trash out or being forced to do your homework are a little different to being forced to marry (potentially for life) a man you do not wish to marry, to have sex with him as and when he desires (as is the case in their culture), bear his children without a say in the matter, and risk your life in doing so.

You have to see there is a bit of a difference in those things. Even the most serious things you are forced to do in the west (like... you are forced (pretty much) to go to a particular school by your parents) are really nothing compared to that. Also, in the west you have a lot more legal protection for the extreme things you don't want to do. You have places you can call (child abuse places like Childline) if the things you are being forced to do are too extreme.


I was forced to go to the military (like every man in my country), I was forced to serve my country with my life (literally).

I don't think those are small things. I would do them without being forced, too. But that doesn't change they are being forced upon me.

I really have hard time understanding the demonizing of sex. Everyone WANTS to have sex in their life, it's the best thing in the world.

Now when sex is forced it becomes the WORST AND MOST ATROCIOUS THING IN THE WORLD.

How the fuck does that kind of switch happen.

Not all sexual experiences for all involved parties are pleasurable.
Would you look forward to sex if you were unlikely to orgasm because your partner wasn't interested in your pleasure, or even your comfort? If it was a painful experience for you because you aren't aroused by your partner, would you look forward to doing that again?

Obviously I would not enjoy it and wouldn't look forward to doing that again. But people do other discomforting things, too, because it's part of life and needs to be done. Like work.





Puupi, MMO Champion 8 Comments [8/9/2018 7:55:05 AM]
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Malingspann

I really have hard time understanding the demonizing of sex. Everyone WANTS to have sex in their life, it's the best thing in the world.

Now when sex is forced it becomes the WORST AND MOST ATROCIOUS THING IN THE WORLD.

How the fuck does that kind of switch happen.


Well, personally I really like hamburgers.

But if I was attacked by someone who started shoving burgers into my mouth, gagging me, maybe they even said they'd kill me if I resisted, just because they liked the feeling of power they got from it, I wouldn't like it at all.

It's all about doing it (having sex, eating burgers, whatever) voluntarily because you feel like it vs someone else forcing it upon you for their sadistic pleasure's sake.

8/9/2018 9:00:05 AM

Doubting Thomas

Everyone WANTS to have sex in their life, it's the best thing in the world.

Now when sex is forced it becomes the WORST AND MOST ATROCIOUS THING IN THE WORLD.

How the fuck does that kind of switch happen.


I think it has something to do with the "forced" part.

FFS, are these guys totally incapable of putting themselves in their victims' shoes and imagining what it would be like to have sex with someone you don't want to? Is it totally impossible for them to imagine being forced to have sex with the ugliest woman ever?

8/9/2018 9:52:49 AM

Kanna

The opposite of willing sex is rape, and that's still a crime in most of the civilized world. Is there any chance that you are of the sex that doesn't have to bear the babies? Then you don't have a legitimate right to plead your case in the face of all the physical and social and educational and emotional harm that a young girl suffers when she isn't ready for an adult relationship.

8/9/2018 11:22:32 AM

Churchy LaFemme

You're obviously male. So imagine yourself in a situation where you were forced to marry a woman that you found physically and emotionally unattractive. In spite of the fact that you didn't find her attractive, you would still be expected to become aroused and have sex with her whenever she wanted it, even if it involved things you found repugnant, and you can look forward to 20-30 years of it. Would you just accept it as part of life and needs to be done (like work), or would you look for a way out?

8/9/2018 12:01:32 PM

Anon-e-moose

Everyone WANTS to have sex in their life


Last week I bought from a camping shop a Bear Grylls-branded liquid-filled compass. All his products come with a leaflet giving basic survival techniques.

The priorities: Protection (Shelter, Fire, Clothing), Rescue (Location, Signalling, Navigation), Water (Sources, Collection, Purification), Food (Preparedness, Scavenging, Alternate Options).

Unless you want to have a fleshlight taking too much space in your survival kit: and you should know how ultra-important they are, if you've been in the military, I think you'll find that sex is not something everyone wants.

Sir Isaac Newton lived to 84. He died a virgin. Your call.

PROTIP: Grylls was a reservist in the SAS: which he joined of his own free will. The survivability factor of any & all excuses you have, poor, poor Poopy: Zero.

8/9/2018 2:13:29 PM

Thanos6

@Doubting Thomas, Churchy LaFemme:

Playing devil's advocate here, what if they have imagined it and decided it wouldn't seem that bad?

Not saying I in any way, shape, or form agree with this guy, but there have been times when people have told me to think about a scenario happening to me, and I don't find it as unpleasant as they seem to think I should.

8/9/2018 2:29:53 PM

ChildfreeAtheist86

@Thanos6

Not one of the people you initially asked, but I've been told to imagine things that other people found horrible, or at least very undesirable, that I don't/wouldn't mind either. For example, one man I went on a date with used an example of "eating nothing but fruits and vegetables and eggs for the rest of his life" as something incredibly unpleasant in his opinion, whereas I've voluntarily been a ovo-lacto vegetarian for the last 19 years.

Just because that diet obviously doesn't sound bad to me doesn't mean I lack empathy for someone who may be forced into that diet due to allergies or medical reasons. It really just comes down to whether or not you are capable of understanding a scenario from a perspective other than your own.

Similarly, I'm told during every single family reunion/holiday get together that I'm "missing out" on the "best possible part of womanhood" because I am childfree and single. My mom and aunt cried and my stepfather became furious when I told them I was looking into sterilization procedures because I am that confident I will absolutely never want to procreate. They were utterly unable to put themselves in my shoes, only thinking of how *they* would feel if they got sterilized. Once again, it's all about empathy for people other than yourself.

8/11/2018 3:48:12 AM



Consent you stupid bastard. Forced is the goddamn keyword

8/11/2018 5:05:43 AM

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