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No, Campolo is not an Evangelical, he doesn't consider the Bible is the infallible word of God, nor is Steve Chalke.

Big deal, he's a sociologist. Sociology is sub Christian.

How can the fact that there are babies born now to single parent families be relevant to the number of homosexuals now?

Bad upbringing can be a cause of adult behaviour. Parents know this and good parents make the effort to bring children up properly.

To say that homosexual men don't change is a lie. Indeed Scripture tells us that the change:

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
(I Corinthians 6:9-11 [ESV]) My emphasis

And no, the Bible doesn't say immediately before the statement that being a homosexual is an abomination to God that touching the skin of a dead pig is an abomination. It comes toward the end of a list of sexual acts that are forbidden. Campolo is lying.

Clearly Campolo is ignoring the fact the the Old Testament has different categories of laws, the moral code which always applies and the ceremonial code that ceased with creation of the Church.

What he describes as a 'gay' boy being bullied sounds like the sort of bullying those experience who are weak and bad at sports, and we only have his word that Roger was 'gay'. And why, if he were, should that make any difference? There are plenty of homosexuals around who appear to be good at sports, I suspect this story is made up.

He gives us the lie that Jesus says nothing about homosexuality, the whole Bible is God's word and Jesus is God, so those passages in Leviticus, Romans and 1 Corinthians are all Jesus' words.

And then he tells us that if we aren't selling all we have and giving to the poor we aren't doing what Jesus commanded, that is ignoring the context. Jesus gave that command to one person only for a specific reason, it wasn't a command to all.

His concept of marriage is flawed. He thinks it is about mutual improvement, yet at the heart of it is the sexual union, something that two persons of the same gender can never have.

Compassion seeks to save the sinner from their sin, treating the homosexual as if they are righteous is not compassion, it is hatred.

Martin, Premier 12 Comments [7/11/2018 7:56:03 AM]
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I don't know where to fucking begin with this guy. I've looked up and down these Premier comments and even visted the site and he might just rival Mark Jones in terms of spitefulness.

7/11/2018 8:22:11 AM

Me Thinks

This guys striking all my "Psycopath alert" signals when I read from him.

"Clearly Campolo is ignoring the fact the the Old Testament has different categories of laws, the moral code which always applies and the ceremonial code"

Chapter and verse that proves this or you're bullshitting.

7/11/2018 8:43:27 AM

Christopher

"something that two persons of the same gender can never have."

And yet they do. Live with it.

7/11/2018 9:22:35 AM

CC

@Me Thinks

Right on the money. I've been qoute mining Premier for a few days now and the more of I see of Martin I've come to the conclusion he may be a sociopath or have sociopathic tendencies (but I am not a psychologist).

Of course he's a pretty boastful Calvinist in his discussions. A beliver is only as good as the God they suscribe to.

7/11/2018 11:01:19 AM

Kanna

@CC

"A believer is only as good as the God they suscribe to invent".

FIFY.

7/11/2018 11:35:02 AM

CC

@Kanna

I must apologize.

Didn't mean to assume. I'm a beliver myself (insofar as I believe in a higher power at the very least) and a bit of a spiritualist. I am not particlarly happy with fundies and what they do or say in the name of this higher power. All it is is a rotten spirit that pollutes the world around it. Personally I think if this higher powered revealed itself to the world, these folks would be in an uproar.

Not trying to convince anyone of anything. I'm just speaking through a belivers perspective.

7/11/2018 11:44:32 AM

Zinnia

What he describes as a 'gay' boy being bullied sounds like the sort of bullying those experience who are weak and bad at sports, and we only have his word that Roger was 'gay'. And why, if he were, should that make any difference? There are plenty of homosexuals around who appear to be good at sports, I suspect this story is made up.

This is among the most bizarre string of non-sequiturs I have ever seen.

7/11/2018 11:48:52 AM

ChrisBP747

"His concept of marriage is flawed. He thinks it is about mutual improvement, yet at the heart of it is the sexual union, something that two persons of the same gender can never have."

Oh shit, I guess my boyfriend and I must have done something wrong, since I clearly remember both of us being pretty satisfied by... whatever we did then everytime we did it. Does that mean we are still technically virgins?

"Compassion seeks to save the sinner from their sin, treating the homosexual as if they are righteous is not compassion, it is hatred."

Hate is love and compassion is evil. Spoken like a true psychopath.

7/11/2018 2:08:21 PM

Me Thinks

@Chris


Exactly!

7/11/2018 2:23:21 PM

Titania

Whatever you say, nutjob. Sounds like even the Bible doesn't even support your bigotry, in the way you would like.

It sounds like:
Compassion is hatred
War is peace
Freedom is slavery
Ignorance is strength

7/12/2018 12:34:23 AM

Malingspann

Martin: "Clearly Campolo is ignoring the fact the the Old Testament has different categories of laws, the moral code which always applies and the ceremonial code that ceased with creation of the Church. AND that all the Old Testament laws that are inconvenient to us today are in the latter category, while the ones we can use against those we don't like are in the former!"

7/12/2018 2:04:38 AM



"The whole Bible is God's word and Jesus is God, so those passages in Leviticus, Romans and 1 Corinthians are all Jesus' words."

It's no good thinking that a person capable of writing, and presumably of believing, these words, might be amenable to rational argument. They are wildly heretical for a start, not that that would trouble him. He's a lost soul.

7/12/2018 9:33:39 AM

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