Evolution is a religion because it's based on two concepts that require blind FAITH. The first is random mutations. The second is natural selection. Neither one of these things can be seen, tested or proven.....
Well actually NS could be proven by controlled experiments, however scientists appear to be too chicken to try such a thing. (just like they're too chicken to experiment by moving animals to different locations in the world to see what would happen to their phenotypes.) In fact, as far as I know, not ONE such experiment on natural selection has been tried. Of course I could be wrong about this, but if I am, I'd love to the see the link.
The fact is, your theory is based on sheer speculation and a desire to not be created. What you believe in is not science, it's Sesame Street-style make-believe. It's a fairytale for grownups who seek to deny the obvious. There is not one shred of hard evidence or truth to it. S
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@supersport
Evolution is a religion because it's based on two concepts that require blind FAITH. The first is random mutations. The second is natural selection. Neither one of these things can be seen, tested or proven.....
Uh, no. Both have been proven. Many times.
just like they're too chicken to experiment by moving animals to different locations in the world to see what would happen to their phenotypes.
Uh, they don't move them to new locations because it usually ends badly. As in the habitat has no means of controlling the population and damage of the animal. Idiot.
What you believe in is not science, it's Sesame Street-style make-believe. It's a fairytale for grownups who seek to deny the obvious. There is not one shred of hard evidence or truth to it.
Mirror mirror on the wall, who's the most deluded sack of shit of all?
"Evolution is a religion because it's based on two concepts that require blind FAITH."
It is not a religion. From dictionary.com:
1. a. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
1. b. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.
I can see how definition #4 could confuse those only versed in primitive levels of thought. While that definition could be true of "religion," that meaning of the word has nothing to do with religions which are related to the first 3 definitions.
Evolution does not require faith, it requires evidence.
"The first is random mutations. The second is natural selection. Neither one of these things can be seen, tested or proven....."
Wrong, wrong and wrong. Both mutations and natural selection are well documented; tested and proven.
"Well actually NS could be proven by controlled experiments, however scientists appear to be too chicken to try such a thing."
Scientists have demostrated natural selection over and over for 100+ years.
"(just like they're too chicken to experiment by moving animals to different locations in the world to see what would happen to their phenotypes.)"
Phenotypes is a mighty big word for such a small thought. Well-adapted species dropped into alien environments may no be able to thrive in that new environment. All your experiment would show is that evolution takes longer than 1 generation.
I think refusal to read and understand the evidence is "chicken," superdork.
"In fact, as far as I know, not ONE such experiment on natural selection has been tried."
What you know of scientific experiments is very little.
"Of course I could be wrong about this, but if I am, I'd love to the see the link."
Of course you ARE wrong about this.
This is a good site. Satart here:
http://www.natcenscied.org/link.asp?category=1
"The fact is, your theory is based on sheer speculation and a desire to not be created."
The ToE is based on evidence collected from the field and from labratory experiments, carefully considered and correlated. I have no particular desire to be created or not created, I want to know the facts.
"What you believe in is not science, it's Sesame Street-style make-believe. It's a fairytale for grownups who seek to deny the obvious. There is not one shred of hard evidence or truth to it. S"
In my very best 7 year-old voice, I answer, "I know you are, but what am I?
"Well actually NS could be proven by controlled experiments, however scientists appear to be too chicken to try such a thing. (just like they're too chicken to experiment by moving animals to different locations in the world to see what would happen to their phenotypes.)"
I've just got two things to say... first, Rabbits in Australia. Those guys caused a shit lot of damage when they were introduced.
Second... African bees in Brazil.
Introducing a species into a new environment is all too often a fucking disaster...
Rules for Arguing Like a Fundie #432:
Claim that any opposing argument is actually a competing religious doctrine (e.g. "evolutionism", "liberalism", "abortionism"), which somehow automatically makes it abhorrent and invalid, despite your own opinion being a religious doctrine itself.
IT'S OBSERVED ALL THE TIME.
For example: Hawaiian Honeycreepers. These are birds which exist on several Hawaiian islands. They have almost exactly the same genetic makeup, and are certainly the same species of bird, but there are dozens of different variations depending on what the bird needed to survive in a certain area (coloring, beak shape, size, etc).
KFHSAD^*AYFASHKFSJDGLAJD.
Have these people never watched a nature show that focuses on island animal life? SERIOUSLY.
What you believe in is not science, it's Sesame Street-style make-believe. It's a fairytale for grownups who seek to deny the obvious.
^ The immense irony of such quotes never fails to make my mind buckle.
"Well actually NS could be proven by controlled experiments, however scientists appear to be too chicken to
try such a thing. "
Too late, scientists proved NS with controlled experiments before you were born
(unless you're about 100).
Its the creationists who are too chicken to try it.
They tried once or twice but the results confirmed evolution so they went
back to quoting the wholly babble.
I am afraid that you are the one with the Sesame Street-style make-believe approach. Also, all the fairytales seem to be coming from your side of the evolution/creationism argument. (God snapping the divine fingers six times over the course of six days and then needs to rest = fairytale.)
BTW: Papabear, you are awesome.
(just like they're too chicken to experiment by moving animals to different locations in the world to see what would happen to their phenotypes.)
Japanese beetles. Norway Rats(and via those guys, Yersinia pestis, aka the Black Plague. African bees. In the plant kingdom, we have Japanes kudzu.
Just a few disastrous examples of moving species about and having them ADAPT (many times way too well) to their new environment in unexpected ways.
The fact is, your theory is based on sheer, unquestioning acceptance of statements in a book that uses the "It's true because I said so" approach. What you have is not faith; it's blind faith Sesame Street-style stories compiled for the gullible.
D'you hear me, scientists? Y'all're too chicken to scatter animals far and wide just to observe what will happen to their looks! Y'all are too scared about disrupting natural ecosystems by introducing new species! A real man would make sure to take lots of notes about the way zebra mussels are taking over Tennessee's rivers! Bawk bawk bawk!
Feh. I attempted to educate this fuckwad when he showed up at Internet Infidels. It quickly became appearant that he has all the reading comprehension of a block of wood, as he would chop up people's posts to respond to, fail to actually respond (or, indeed, understand their point), and then, write another post making the original assertion all over again.
And now he's doing it over at CF. Either a dedicated troll, or a complete idiot. Someone put him out of our collective misery, already.
"In fact, as far as I know, not ONE such experiment on natural selection has been tried. Of course I could be wrong about this, but if I am, I'd love to the see the link."
For Christ's sake. Clausen, Keck, and Heisey. Dozens of papers, starting in 19-fucking-40. Any basic textbook refers to them. Just because every piece of research doesn't come knock on your door and slam you over the head doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
<i>In fact, as far as I know, not ONE such experiment on natural selection has been tried. Of course I could be wrong about this, but if I am, I'd love to the see the link.</i>
For Christ's sake. Clausen, Keck, and Heisey. Dozens of papers, starting in 19-fucking-40. Any basic textbook refers to them. Just because every piece of research doesn't come knock on your door and slam you over the head doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
Random mutation requires blind faith? Try telling that to the parents of a child born with trisomy 13.
Natural selection happens all the time. What does he think causes antibiotic-resistant bacteria?
A controlled experiment wouldn't be "natural" selection. Controlled experiments are done all the time. It's called selective breeding.
The accidental moving of plants or animals from one place to another has happened fairly often, sometimes with disasterous results. That's why countries have such strict customs laws about bring food or animals in from other countries.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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