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Any church with a woman in charge is of the Devil. It would be a cold day in Hell before I'd ever pastor any church with a woman on the board of directors. If that's your messed-up church, get right with God! Biblically, women are allowed to teach other women, be soul-winners, play piano, be a secretary, pray, fast and serve in the Church; but they are absolutely forbidden to have any position of authority over men, voice their opinions publicly in church matters, nor are they permitted to teach men the Word of God. New Testament churches are led by men, as they obey the Word of God; but satanic religious cults are led by women.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Precious 33 Comments [4/13/2018 2:44:02 PM]
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Kanna

David, just because you want to sit in the congregation and picture them naked...

4/13/2018 3:07:06 PM

fromdownunder

@Kanna:


I think you are wrong here. David is only interested in young girls (the younger the better). I suspect that mature women scare the shit out of him just by being alive.

Norm

4/13/2018 3:26:33 PM

checkmate

Biblically, women are allowed to ... play piano


Right! But only with the hands, no pedals! As I recall, the piano is mentioned in at least five of Paul's epistles. I also recall that woman are only allowed to play Mozart's Turkish March (Sonate Nr. 11, A major, KV 331, 3rd movement: "Rondo Alla Turca"). The Bible stipulates that any other piece, especially anything by Brahms, is heresy.

4/13/2018 4:05:47 PM

KingOfRhye

satanic religious cults are led by women.


Sounds like fun.

4/13/2018 4:26:44 PM



Anything that Stewart says is of the devil more and more makes me think the devil is a good guy.

4/13/2018 8:19:41 PM

The Angry Dybbuk

Any church with a woman in charge is of the Devil. It would be a cold day in Hell before I'd ever pastor any church with a woman on the board of directors.


It would be a cold day in hell before any church would invite you to act as its pastor.

You are Biblically unfit for the role.

The holy man...

"He will not cry out or raise His voice, Nor make His voice heard in the street. A bruised reed He will not break And a dimly burning wick He will not extinguish; He will faithfully bring forth justice. He will not be disheartened or crushed Until He has established justice in the earth..." - Isaiah 42:2-4 (See also Matthew 12:20 and Psalm 72:4)

The pastoral requirements found in 1 TIMOTHY 3 are that he must...

...be blameless
...be the husband of one wife
...be temperate
...be sober-minded
...be well-behaved
...be hospitable
...be able to teach
...not be a hard drinker
...not be violent
...refrain from greed and covetousness
...be gentle
...be able to govern his own house
...have significant experience as a Christian and student of theology

TITUS 1:5-9 specifies the conduct of a church leader must be above reproach, that he must have mastery over his anger, that he shouldn't be addicted to alcohol or mind-altering substances, that he is sensible, fair, knowledgeable, and devout.

Micah 6:8 says followers do justice, love mercy, and walk humbly with God.

You are none of those things, Dave. Perhaps mind the plank in your own eye?

4/13/2018 10:08:23 PM

Pharaoh Bastethotep

@fromdownunder:
Actually, I am more under the impression that DJS lusts after everything that moves (and possibly a few that dont *coughwashingtonmonumentcough*), with a special amount of lust towards Taylor Swift.

4/13/2018 10:48:19 PM

Anon-e-moose

Guess who installed the Archbishop of the church which gave you that KJV?:



Messed up 'church', messed up Bible, therefore messed up God.

Certainly explains you then, David J. Pedo.

New Testament churches are led by men, as they obey the Word of God; but satanic religious cults are led by women


Must I remind you as to who is the head of the above church?:



Thank you for admitting that your religion is a satanic cult.

Certainly explains you then II, David J. Pedo. Enjoy your paradox.

And your new denomination & Bible version.

@Kanna

just because you want to sit in the congregation and picture them naked...


...but then, imagining is all he has left: when every church on Guam has banned him for his behaviour within such.

4/14/2018 12:39:44 AM

Chloe

My grandmother was on several committees at a South Baptist church in Texas. Texan women are also pretty outspoken.

What does th at say about you, David?


4/14/2018 2:15:38 AM

Jacob Harrison

This is yet another reason why Catholicism is better than Protestantism. Protestant churches generally tend to be more sexist. The Catholic Church on the other hand has lots of nuns and we have a special veneration for the Virgin Mary as the Queen of Heaven and Co Redemptrix

4/14/2018 8:17:15 AM

SpukiKitty

@Jerkass Trollison
Women can't be Priests, Bishops, Cardinals or Popes.

@DJ Stupid



I WIN. YOU LOSE.

4/14/2018 8:23:33 AM

Jacob Harrison

But Mary the Queen of Heaven has authority over the male Bishops, Priests, Cardinals, and Popes

4/14/2018 8:27:19 AM

Pharaoh Bastethotep

That "all Protestants are the same" nonsense from Jacob Harrison is getting annoying. Our official Lutheran churches in Germany, for instance, have virtually nothing in common with American fundie sects, and the Catholic church is infamous for being behind the times.

Also:
Fundie sects are a small bunch of demented madmen each who usually don't get along with the other small bunches of demented madmen.
The Catholic Church is the Mafia.

4/14/2018 8:43:47 AM

Anon-e-moose

This is yet another reason why Jerkob is a troll. The Church of England is better than Catholicism. Catholic churches are infinitely more sexist. The Church of England on the other hand has lots of women in the clergy; I refer said troll to the pic above, and we have a special veneration for the Queen as Head of the C-of-E

fixed and time for you to be banned, Troll.

@SpukiKitty

PREACH, Sister! b^_^d


4/14/2018 8:46:25 AM

SpukiKitty

Thanks Moose!

********

As for the troll....

Catholic Clergy may answer to Mary but women aren't allowed to be clergy.

Now; Show me a Church with female clergy and Mary and maybe you'll have a point.

Women are equal to men. God is androgynous (YOD=Father, HEI=Mother, VAV=Son, HEI=Daughter, SHEKHINA is Feminine). Women clergy is good. Women in charge alongside men is balance. Balance is good.

If Mary can be Queen of Heaven with God the Father as King then women can be clergy alongside male clergy.

I WIN. YOU LOSE!

4/14/2018 9:48:41 AM

Jacob Harrison

The reason why the clergy is male is because of circumstances that made it part of the Catholic church’s sacred tradition. During the days of the early church, women were not as educated so men occupied the clergy while women often were in charge the of the households where the early Christians met.

So it has become part of the Church’s tradition that the clergy is male. It is not sexist that there are non governmental institutions that have gender exclusion policies. Is it sexist that the Boy Scouts is for boys and the Girl Scouts is for girls?

Nevertheless I think it is great that there are many Protestant churches out there that have women in positions of authority as Protestant churches do not have tradition dating back to the time of the Apostles

4/14/2018 10:19:48 AM

SpukiKitty

@Trolly Trollson

But women today are as educated as men.

I STILL WIN. YOU STILL LOSE.


4/14/2018 10:50:24 AM

Anon-e-moose

Justin Welby being installed as Archbishop of Canterbury by Archdeacon Sheila Watson. Queen Elizabeth II is head of the Church of England.

Someone's wrong.

https://womenandthechurch.org/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordination_of_women_in_the_Anglican_Communion

And SpukiKitty Wins III: and you've struck out, Jerkob the Troll.

Oh, and SpukiKitty: I have proof that God is a woman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUad0ZL-nBU

Not seeing any mention anywhere of Jerkob's 'God' having the ability to travel back in time: certainly to the Planck Time-period before the Big Bang. Which means if his so-called 'Deity' can't do one thing, thus he's not 'Omnipotent', therefore he is an inferior being, ergo he's not 'God'.

...but Scarlett Johansson died for us, and returned as Major Motoko Kusanagi: Field Leader of Public Security Section 9. [/Masamune Shirow]

And as shown in that proof, She certainly educated Morgan Freeman by giving him that flash drive (via that bioelectronic megacomputer She'd used Her Omnipotence to create; it crumbling to dust after Morgan took such: it's purpose served, after She became Omnipresent): containing all knowledge. Thus proof of her Omniscience.

Life was given to us a billion years ago. Now you know what to do with it.


4/14/2018 12:13:06 PM

NonProphet

The Catholic troll ignores the existence of Unitarians & Quakers, both of which are Protestant - and are notoriously outspoken about gender equality, and have far more women (and even genderqueer, trans, & non-conforming!) clergy at all levels of their hierarchies.

The RCC, by contrast, has explicitly forbid women from having roles of authority (previous upper clergymen even quoting that bit in the Bible about women not being allowed to preach to men).

Sorry, Jacob, but you're in abject denial of reality. What's more, you're a zealot; you remind me more of a Catholic from before the Enlightenment than from modern times.

4/14/2018 8:17:39 PM

Anon-e-moose

Any church with a woman in charge is of the Devil


@Jerkob

The reason why the clergy is male is because of circumstances that made it part of the Catholic church’s sacred tradition


sacred tradition


...of Sexism of the worst kind:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/sex-and-satanic-rituals-claim-as-priest-is-accused-of-murdering-nun-58012.html

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=137735&Page=1#2147468

A Catholic church which allows Devil worship via ritualistic misogyny of the worst kind is the reason why it should be forced to change to new 'traditions'.

Because as demonstrated in Toledo & Ireland: those... 'traditions' have really maintained your precious Catholic church's P.R. 'image' in the 21st Century, amirite Jerkob...?!

The RCC in Ireland were forced to realise it's unjustifiable thinking in 2015 via 62% of the people castrating the clergy there. Unfortunately not literally, as well as socio-politically.

What right does the Catholic church have to tell anyone what to do? Why shouldn't the RCC be forced to change: even having women as not only priests, bishops, archbishops: but a Pope...?!

If the Church of England can have women in their clergy: even one as the Defender of the Faith, what's your excuse for not campaigning for your religion to be forced to enter the 21st Century...?!

If there can be women as Rabbis in Reform Judaism, then your particular religion has no excuses. Just ask our own SpukiKitty.

Women in Wicca & Neo-Paganism; Danu in Celtic beliefs. Y'know, Jerkob: Celts. As in ancient Ireland. The Female aspect of the Divine that is integral to what the likes of SpukiKitty follows. Diana/Artemis. Bastet & Sekhmet. Shakti & Kali. Amaterasu & Kwannon.

4/16/2018 3:49:02 AM

Jacob Harrison

You are cherry picking isolated incidents in the Catholic Church and using it to justify forcing the Catholic Church to change it’s sacred tradition.

The priest who murdered the nun in a Satanic ritual broke both Catholic Doctrine that FORBIDS DEVIL WORSHIP and the 5th commandment which says “You shall not kill.” For being a traitor to the church and murdering a nun, he is going to the 9th circle of hell.

And I am saying that the tradition of male clergy is kept not because of misogyny but because it is Sacred Tradition. It is Catholic doctrine that Sacred Tradition must NEVER be broken regardless of the times.

And I already said that I support female clergy in non Catholic Christian churches.

And btw, it is not a good idea to look favorably upon the ancient Celtic religion of Druidism because it was a horrible barbaric satanic religion that performed human sacrifice. The great Roman Empire was tolerant of most religions of the lands they conquered but they outlawed Druidism when they conquered Britain because the Romans were more civilized and opposed human sacrifice.



4/16/2018 12:29:01 PM




If there can be women as Rabbis in Reform Judaism, then your particular religion has no excuses. Just ask our own SpukiKitty.

Women in Wicca & Neo-Paganism; Danu in Celtic beliefs. Y'know, Jerkob: Celts. As in ancient Ireland. The Female aspect of the Divine that is integral to what the likes of SpukiKitty follows. Diana/Artemis. Bastet & Sekhmet. Shakti & Kali. Amaterasu & Kwannon.




Among which, not utilizing the Wiccan path as my path, while Pagan, is not Wiccan I'd like to point out the following goddesses are held in very high regard
Isis
Nephthys
Freyja
The Morrigan
Brigid
Pbad
Frigg
Hel
Aphrodite
Nike
Athena
Atremis



And others all from various pantheons. And as a man I feel a pull for many of the ones mentioned and yet it does not harm me. Just as it did not harm their followers as Vikings were known for strength and Greeks were highly educated as were Egyptians. I'd argue that in fact having strong female role models whether divine or not seemed to benefit various societies. Meanwhile when the church was in control of Europe we had the dark ages. Almost like the divine (again if you will allow me to express my beliefs that they exist. My point is valid either way) opposed the church having that control. And if we take atheist approach it seems the church benefitted from being chauvinistic if not misogynistic and benefitted from keeping people ignorant.

and the 5th commandment which says “You shall not kill.”



Sure did not stop Joshua from following god's orders to slaughter entire cities. Nor the church from killing and torturing unbelievers. Nor the Crusades, including a famous phrase that came from slaughtering a city of Cathars as I recall "Kill them all. God will know his own."



4/16/2018 12:56:03 PM

Anon-e-moose

I support female clergy in non Catholic Christian churches


Why shouldn't the Sex Discrimination Act in Britain be ultra-draconian?

If the RCC in Britain was to justify it's existence here, it being forced to comply with the law.

The C-of-E is way ahead of yours here, so you really have no excuses. Least of all the RCC's unjustifiable sexism. 'Sacred Traditions'? Bullshit. They have no right to exist.

Glastonbury - place of the biggest annual festival - where it is said that Joseph of Arimathea buried the Holy Grail.

Meanwhile, plenty of Wiccan/Pagan Arcana shops there.

Also, Stonehenge:



I have no problem with Barack Obama being considered to be a Druid. Winston Churchill was one. The Holy Grail in Britain. The Ark of the Covenant in the US. No wonder we won WWII.

The previous president winning two terms. A certain someone who shall remain Clueless's 'Hero' being too scared to come to my country to open a $1 billion embassy.

But then, the omens don't look too good for that 'heroic' retard: he even being a one-pump chump like Ford & Bush I. What happened to Nixon: and even after a landslide re-election.

Seems that Obama was blessed by Danu. The concentration of Earth Power at Stonehenge had the desired effect. That, and the fact Obama was liked. Those deities other than Clueless's so-called 'God' prefer those who aren't egotistical self-serving 'Emprahs' of the Alt-Shite.

Or perhaps the Luc Besson film "Lucy" is a documentary? Someone thinks the 'Force' is real: (http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=137380&Page=3#2146731) therefore...!

...the Pagan Commenter in that thread is right after all. In more ways than one, if we are to go by what SpukiKitty thinks.

4/16/2018 1:36:45 PM

Jacob Harrison

1. Can your brain process these words? THE VIRGIN MARY CO REDEMPTRIX QUEEN OF HEAVEN

2. The dark ages was not caused by the Church. It was caused by the fall of the Western Roman Empire to barbarians. But the barbarians later converted to Christianity and Europe was eventually unified under Christendom and one Church till Martin Luther fucked it up.

3. Ugh you don’t even get the concept of justice. Because you shall not kill people, murderers lose the right to live and thus get the death penalty. Ancient pagans knew that.

While what the Church did to heretics and pagans seem brutal by today’s standards, it was done to keep Christendom unified and to deter the heathens from spreading false religions that would lead people to damnation.

As for the Crusades, what the crusaders did was in RETALIATION for the atrocities committed by the Muslims against the Christians in the Middle East.

@Anon-e-moose
1. Yes, I know that the government not the priests have the legal power under secular authority to grant people divorce and I never said that I believe in interfering with that right. I am saying that Catholic divorces are divorces are divorces under secular authority but not under God

2. So you are ok with the human sacrifice committed by the druids? You have a fucked up moral code.

3. Winston Churchill was not a Druid. That is Patrick Scrivener’s bullshit. Winston Churchill was an atheist. Since he was a righteous atheist, he is in the First circle of Hell/Limbo along with other righteous and average heathens.

By the way, I suggest you read Churchill’s quotes about the danger of Islam to Western Civilization and how Muslims in the UK are being disrespectful to him. Churchill’s ghost supports the UKIP.

Hitler on the other hand loved Islam. He was best buds with the terrorist Grand Mufti of Palestine. Therefore Islam=Naziism

4/16/2018 3:37:34 PM




2. The dark ages was not caused by the Church. It was caused by the fall of the Western Roman Empire to barbarians. But the barbarians later converted to Christianity and Europe was eventually unified under Christendom and one Church till Martin Luther fucked it up.



The church was absolute control during the dark ages. It is called so because the Church was trying to stop outside intelligence from getting to the people, keeping them illiterate. I might disagree with Luther on many things but he did not fuck it up. He called out the corruption within the church of which the church had become corrupt.


3. Ugh you don’t even get the concept of justice. Because you shall not kill people, murderers lose the right to live and thus get the death penalty. Ancient pagans knew that.



Yes they did. And many would defend themselves from crusading Christians. The Pagans were often killed merely for being the wrong religion. Hell even other Christians were often killed. Though those killed were largely innocent. Your idea of justice seems to be that because they believed differently it was ok to kill them. Not unlike the Bible commands. Which the Qu'aran also does.



While what the Church did to heretics and pagans seem brutal by today’s standards, it was done to keep Christendom unified and to deter the heathens from spreading false religions that would lead people to damnation.



Kill them for believing differently. Yeah brutal by today's standards and none too different from Daesh or the Taliban or al Qaeda.



As for the Crusades, what the crusaders did was in RETALIATION for the atrocities committed by the Muslims against the Christians in the Middle East.



I doubt the innocent people in various towns saw it that way as they were being slaughtered. Hell I doubt the Cathars did as they were not even Muslim








4/16/2018 3:57:39 PM

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