John Donovan: To the extent that there are gays still dying of sexually transmitted diseases at high rates, this should be counted as a form of killing, even if murder isn't the right term for it.

Bruce Atkinson: It is closer to being 'manslaughter-suicide' by idiots in terrible denial. Regardless of what you call it, active homosexuals are dying at a much, much faster rate than heterosexuals. Yes, they are dying of AIDS faster than any other group, but not only AIDS but suicide and all kinds of medical illnesses ... at a higher rate than others. Choosing to live a high risk and sinful lifestyle will impact one in many ways. But one way they are not dying is from murder or physical abuse by heterosexuals. They abuse their own at a much higher rate.

John Donovan: read something recently written by a gay man on Huffington Post, a liberal website. He said that gays have stopped meeting very much at bars and that he and other gays instead are arranging hook-ups in which strangers come to their homes, and added that he gets a lot more ill treatment from other gays than from anyone else and in general is suffering from a kind of social isolation.