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There are many similarities between human behaviour and animal behaviour, but no animal has shown any capacity to believe, or disbelieve in a Creator.  Such an ability can only come from the God given conscious perception and willpower of the human soul.

Alan Burns, Religion and Ethics 11 Comments [12/5/2017 2:09:35 PM]
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Everything humans do is animal behavior. We eat, sleep, drink, socialize, breed, rape, steal, try to one up each other to a attract a mate. Raise our young. Humans just have a more highly evolved brain to actually think about the things were doing.

12/5/2017 3:12:05 PM


I think I could turn and live with animals,
they are so placid and self-contain'd,
I stand and look at them long and long.

They do not sweat and whine about their condition,
They do not lie awake in the dark and weep for their sins,
They do not make me sick discussing their duty to God,
Not one is dissatisfied, not one is demented with the mania of owning things,
Not one kneels to another, nor to his kind that lived thousands of years ago,
Not one is respectable or unhappy over the whole earth.
- Walt Whitman

There you go, I sometimes think those "dumb" animals, who are smart enough to read you like a website, are a lot smarter than we supposedly sapient humans.

12/5/2017 3:20:18 PM


no animal has shown any capacity to believe, or disbelieve in a Creator.

Perhaps, but then no animal has ever killed his fellow animal due to its differing beliefs. I guess that comes from God too.

I think I'll stick with the animals.

12/5/2017 3:35:37 PM


So, animals are smarter than Alan Burns.

12/5/2017 3:39:36 PM

Chimpanzees may have religion.


12/5/2017 6:12:33 PM


How do you know? Dogs apparently believe in a god; that's the guy who feeds him and walks him.

Now go ahead and tell me that all infants are born believing in god, while I have a good laugh at your silly beliefs.

12/5/2017 6:14:50 PM



Maybe these are similar to the very earliest human religious rituals.

12/6/2017 3:21:13 AM


but no animal has shown any capacity to believe, or disbelieve in a Creator

And then you fundies wonder why we prefer the company of cats, rabbits, horses etc to the likes of you?!

Far more intelligent conversation, for a start.

...and besides, how do you know that they don't believe in Bastet/Sekhmet, Lord Frith/El-Ahrairah/Black Rabbit of Inle, Princesses Celestia & Luna...!

12/6/2017 3:47:41 AM


As humans are animals, it's pretty obvious that some behaviors will be similar between different animals. Other behaviors are completely different.

At least one gorilla who was taught sign language showed an awareness of her own death, and a curiosity about what happened then.
Our relatives, the Neanderthals, definitely believed in something "out there", a life beyond death, which is clear in their burial rituals.

Evidence of this "conscious perception and willpower of the human soul", please, and that it can only have come from YOUR god and none other, please. On my desk by Friday.

(Oh, and it ought to be "God-given", dearie. As it stands now, it looks like it's the God that is given conscious perception and willpower.)

12/6/2017 4:27:50 AM


In addition to the other animal species mentioned above, elephants, too, have been observed mourning and burying their dead herd-members. If elephant funerals aren't evidence that they believe in something, I'm not sure what is.

12/6/2017 11:50:25 AM


Counter argument: If God was sovereign, it would be impossible for humans to disbelieve in him. What kind of all-powerful being that desires worship allows disbelief or disobedience.

12/7/2017 12:35:28 AM

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