Tony Demarcus, Ph.D., D.D. #fundie

Tony Demarcus, Ph.D., D.D. #fundie christiannews.net

And what happens to the murdered unborn? The Christian Bible says:
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6
Since they had no chance to accept Jesus, they are being sent straight to Hell. Because the Bible says so--and it says not a thing otherwise.
So what does the Bible say on abortionism?
"But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven." Matt 19:14. Also Luke 18:16 and Mark 10:14. Abortionists are prohibiting children from coming to Jesus.

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Eldrida:

The Christian is gonna go very easy on you here, ok? Ok! Relative to your anti-Biblical claims that (1) babies are sent to Heaven if they die (without knowing Jesus) and (2) that babies are innocent, have you actually read the Christian Bible in it's full historical-grammatical context? NOT!

In our Bible, Jesus explicitly states that NOONE goes to Heaven without being Saved! There is no other way and no shortcuts, for anyone, including unborn and young children. That's Christian Bible and true Christian faith plain and simple! In your ridiculous scenario where babies are somehow magically exempt from the rules of Salvation because they are "innocent", at what age then are they no longer innocent and require to be Saved? Please do tell and use the Christian Bible in doing so!

What's more, if you're to believe that babies go to Heaven, then you're supporting abortionism. Because we know, including from the Bible, that many, if not most, people will not be Saved, then according to YOUR theology, baby murder would only assure that all 100% will end up in Heaven (by circumventing Salvation, of course). How sickening!

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old comment by Keith

Well, if you're going to go all biblical on the issue, there are no aborted babies in Hell, Tony.
Props for not thinking there's some magical 'age of accountability' in the Bible. That's a false doctrine.
On the other hand, the Bible IS very clear about when life begins. It's at first breath. That's when spirit enters the body. Starting with Adam, who was fully constructed as a human body, but did not become a living being until God's breath entered him.
Several places mention it's the breath of life that separates everyone from dross matter. No one* gets the spirit until they breathe.
This is also why Noah didn't have to take insects on the Ark. He only had to save animals who breathe through their nostrils. By the Bible, insects aren't alive. Nor are fish, trees, lichen, spiders, etc.

*How's someone acquire a Ph.D. without learning that NOONE is two words?

old comment by The Angry Dybbuk

By that logic, both Moses and Abraham went to hell because they "didn't know Jesus" - a character whose words I know better, in a Bible I understand better, than Tony Demarcus, Ph.D., D.D. apparently does.

I've discussed my very long-term hobby here before. The fruits of that study are good primarily for moments like this:

First of all, there are indeed ages of accountability in the Bible. 13, when a boy can join a minyan (the group of 10, traditionally men, discussed in Numbers 14:27) and is thus a young man. More modern formal coming of age celebrations are held for a girl at age 12 in many Jewish communities to represent her entrance to young womanhood.

A lot of Biblical literalists claim there were no 'adolescent years' as we understand them, but they're not entirely correct. The ancient Israelites recognised boys were not yet fully men, nor were girls fully woman, until they reached another age: 20.

Moses pleaded and even reasoned with ADONAI not to destroy the dispirited and grumbling persons threatening treason against Moses in their wish to return to the known torments of Egypt rather than exchange them for the unknown terrors ahead. God, incensed, pointed out how the miracles so many had seen should have been beacons of courage sufficient for the whole journey and yet some had overtly blasphemed the requisite ten times or more.

Prevailing on the longsuffering of ADONAI, Moses extracted this instead:

Your carcases shall fall in this wilderness; and all that were numbered of you, according to your whole number, from twenty years old and upward which have murmured against me. -- Numbers 14:29

The next age of accountability is 30 years, first based on the age of Joseph when he began his rule in Egypt in Genesis 41:46. (Rabbinical wisdom sets the age at which such one might be trusted with leadership at 30 years. )

Now on to this bullshit about hell. The Bible gives criteria well beyond original sin as being necessary for a judgment that includes the impermanent-but-plenty-painful-and-almost-universally-terrible sentence of time in Gehenna (or, as DD prefers, the eternal hellfire he delights in imagining for so many others).

There is, of course, the famous passages concerning the judgment of Jesus against believers - those who, by their account, cast out demons in his name - who were denied access to the better side of the world to come for the crime of neglecting the needs of other human beings while in the world right now.

The most pertinent verse to addressing Tony's curiously gnostic view of all living flesh as potentially, if not actually, evil in itself concerns the measuring stick.

For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Matthew 7:2

By what measure does an incompletely formed fetus judge anyone, nor murmur against God? And what does that mean for Tony, who judges the unborn as deserving to suffer at all, let alone forever?

Psalm 109:17 is a very fitting warning for Tony: "As he loved cursing, so let it come unto him: as he delighted not in blessing, so let it be far from him."

And let us not forget the promise God makes, and keeps, to all the dybbukim ever created: Isaiah 33:1. To paraphrase: You're destroyed who had become a destroyer.

The alleged “D. D.” (who can't spell “Catholic” correctly) should in all truth be careful of his words, because he faces potential judgment based on his own measure.