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Child marriages among the Roma people in Europe are still prevalent. Roma is an unprivileged minority group in Romania, Spain, Italy, France etc. and are orthodox Christians.

Recently in Spain a 10-year-old daughter of a woman in her 30s gave birth to a baby. The father is 13. Shocking!

The West is so cleverly silent about containing what it condemns for others that you hardly know it exisits within their community until some sudden news story comes up in that regard.

Moreover, in the West they consider it okay if both are minors. But they will object if a 16 year old gets married to a 19 year old because the 16 year old is officially a minor whereas the 19 year old isn't. Now this is pure madness! Similarly if a 14 year old girl gets married to a 15 year old boy, they accept that. But if that 14 year old gets married to a 28 year old man, the guy becomes a "pedofile." Again, this is highly stupid. A 14 year old girl can be much better looked after and supported by a 28 year old than by a 15 year old. Needless to say, I don't at all support marriage of underage girls. But what I mean to say is that if a minor girl ends up getting married, it only makes the mess bigger if the boy she marries is also a minor.

Now read the messy story below. Very sad state of affairs.

Mom happy that her 10-year-old gave birth

MADRID - A Roma woman whose 10-year-old daughter just gave birth in Spain says she's delighted to have a new granddaughter and doesn't understand why the birth has shocked anyone — let alone become an international sensation.

Spanish authorities have released few details about the case to protect the girl's privacy.

But in comments published Wednesday, her Romanian mother told reporters the baby's father is a 13-year-old boy who is still in Romania and is no longer going out with her daughter.

The 10-year-old girl and her baby daughter plan to stay in Spain because the young couple separated, said the girl's mother. She identified herself only as Olimpia and appeared to be in her 30s but did not give her age.

She also said she didn't understand the attention the case was generating because she and her daughter are Roma and their custom is to allow girls to marry young even though that's against the law in Romania.

"That's the way we get married," the girl's mother told reporters Tuesday outside the modest apartment building in the southern town of Lebrija where the family lives.

Meanwhile, the story was going viral on the Internet and causing an uproar in Spain.

"Mother at 10 years old" blared a headline in Barcelona's La Vanguardia newspaper, which dedicated two pages to the story.

In contrast, news about the 10-year-old mother barely registered in Romania, with stories buried inside newspapers focusing on the controversy the birth had caused among Spaniards.

The girl moved to Spain about three weeks ago, her mother said, and her baby was born in a public hospital last week in the nearby city of Jerez de la Frontera. There were no complications during the birth, and the 10-year-old and her baby are doing fine, her mother said.

"She's doing well and is very happy with her daughter," the woman said.

The 10-year-old and her baby are living with the new grandmother while Spanish social welfare authorities determine whether the family will be able to provide for the baby.

Under Spanish law, having consensual sex with someone under age 13 is classified as child abuse. But a Justice Ministry official said this particular case is complicated, because the alleged father is not in Spain and is also a minor. It is not clear whether he could be charged, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of ministry policy.

Romanian law allows girls to get married at age 16 with parental consent, or at 18 without it.

But arranged "marriages" between teenagers are relatively common among Roma, who make up about 1.5 million of Romania's 22 million people. Families "marry off" daughters when they reach puberty, with the "husband" usually being a couple of years older. The marriages are not recognized by the state.

Roma girls are often not encouraged to pursue a full education, and Romanian authorities do not widely enforce education laws that require children to attend school until age 16.

In 2003, there was an international outcry after the European Union envoy to Romania, Baroness Emma Nicholson, demanded that a 12-year-old Roma girl and her 15-year-old common-law husband separate and cease all intimate relations until they were legally able to be married. The couple did separate for an unknown amount of time.

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Ruhi_Rose, muslimvilla.smfforfree 6 Comments [11/14/2017 5:51:41 AM]
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"The 10-year-old and her baby are living with the new grandmother while Spanish social welfare authorities determine whether the family will be able to provide for the baby. "

That's one of the best reasons. Quick, think how many thirteen-year-old boys you have known in your life. How many of them can even find a pair of socks in the morning? How many of them do you think can earn a living to support a family? Now consider the number of ten-year-old girls you've known. I would never have hired a babysitter that young; do you think that girl is fit to be responsible enough to care for a child when she is still a child herself? What are the girl's chances of getting an education and supporting herself? Right now prostitution is the only viable alternative to poverty.

Yeah, I know, grandma. Sure, dump it on grandma - and welfare authorities are still leery of that baby's chances of growing up in a responsible environment.

11/14/2017 6:16:09 AM


I wasn't aware that the Roma were a terribly popular ethnic group within the West that people take their cues from.

11/14/2017 6:23:51 AM

This is so fucked up on so many levels

11/14/2017 6:33:01 AM

Some Christian Anon

People tend to ignore troubles that aren't in their own country. America-centric viewpoints are fairly common in the US, unfortunately. This don't mean we approve. And it certainly don't mean we have to stop opposing it here because some idiots don't know about it over there.

11/14/2017 6:45:58 AM


> the West ignores child marriages

> cites news story that causes international stir about child marriage

Seems legit.

11/14/2017 7:26:47 AM

The Angry Dybbuk

I've seen plenty of news reports and docus condemning certain Roma practices, like young marriage and poor education, specifically. And I agree.

But, unfortunately, it does happen (and among every people) that kids get pregnant/make someone else pregnant. This was a 10 and 13 year old, not a 10 and fucking 30(!) year old.

If I had a 10-year-old who became pregnant, I'd first be kicking my own ass for poor sex ed, then I'd find the father. If he's a young minor, well, shit happens. We all get together and work something out - primarily based on the girl's wishes.

If the man were an adult...hmmm...well, he might be in trouble with the police, or he might have mysteriously gone missing, never to be seen again, depending on just what the fuck happened.

But, no, I wouldn't tell TV crews, after the girl decided, for example, to continue the pregnancy, that I was simply disgusted to be having a grandchild (no matter how I really felt...especially since my kid would be going back to school, so I'd be doing a lot of the raising). Pretty much only an asshole would do that.

11/14/2017 5:52:35 PM

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