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Fidel Rivera [ Email him] 20th-generation New Mexican and author of tonight’s VDARE.com letter, angrily wrote:

You still have to pay for what you did to the Indians, THE REAL AMERICANS!

Mr. Rivera’s “real Americans” claim is a variation on the familiar trope that American Indians were “the first Americans.”

But they really weren’t, since what people almost always mean when they say “America” is the European-seeded polity known as “the United States.” Indeed, typing “America” into Wikipedia’s search box yields (without “disambiguation”) their entry for “United States,” and that article’s section on etymology concludes with this:

“American” rarely refers to subjects not connected with the United States."

So this place wasn’t really America until the whites came and developed it, a point that’s reinforced by a brief passage in Richard Bernstein’s terrific 1994 book Dictatorship of Virtue: How the Battle over Multiculturalism Is Reshaping Our Schools, Our Country, and Our Lives

(To forestall reflexive caterwauling about the nasty-nativist Bernstein’s violent hate speech [i.e. the three paragraphs just above], I should point out that the now-retired journalist was in his second decade at The New York Times when he authored Dictatorship, that he has a Harvard master’s degree in History and East Asian Languages, and that his wife is a noted Chinese classical dancer.)

So if the tribes inhabiting (before European settlement) what became the United States shouldn’t be called “the first Americans” or “the real Americans,” what should we call them? I propose “Turtle Islanders.”

Paul Nachman, VDARE 13 Comments [11/14/2017 5:48:44 AM]
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Malingspann

Paul Nachman: "Anyone non-white who lived somewhere prior to whites arriving were savages and so don't count!"

11/14/2017 6:09:02 AM

Kanna

Quibbling about names. How dull.

11/14/2017 6:20:15 AM



Anything to dehumanize those not like you Paul? Is that what you are advocating here?

11/14/2017 6:27:38 AM

Swede

So, South America, Latin America, Mexico and Canada are all parts of the United States of America?

Searching Wikipedia, I get a heading referring to other entries also concerning "America":

United States of America", "America", "US", and "USA" redirect here. For the landmass comprising North and South America, see Americas. For other uses, see America (disambiguation), US (disambiguation), USA (disambiguation), and United States (disambiguation).


You forgot the beginning of that sentence. It's " In English, the word "American" rarely refers to topics or subjects not connected with the United States."
Oh, and Native Americans are connected with the United States.

11/14/2017 6:29:11 AM

pyro

That's all completely irrelevant. Their homes were taken from them and they were slaughtered in numbers that would make a Nazi blush. Whether America technically existed doesn't change the blatant injustice.

11/14/2017 7:31:14 AM

rubber chicken

I don't know how to classify this, semanticide ? Ethnic defining ? load of bollocks ?

11/14/2017 7:36:40 AM

Gabriel LaVedier

Hey look, Ayn Rand brainwashed another one. That's right, Paul, those weren't real people. Your asshole goddess was right about their elimination.

Fucking dickmouth.

11/14/2017 7:48:17 AM

Azereaux

Semantics. That's your argument. That's the best you have? Marginalizing the original inhabitants based on semantics...

You know, I've said arguments were mindless bullshit before, but this one pretty solidly exemplifies that.

11/14/2017 8:41:02 AM

Pharaoh Bastethotep

(To forestall reflexive caterwauling about the nasty-nativist Bernstein’s violent hate speech [i.e. the three paragraphs just above], I should point out that the now-retired journalist was in his second decade at The New York Times when he authored Dictatorship, that he has a Harvard master’s degree in History and East Asian Languages, and that his wife is a noted Chinese classical dancer.)

Non sequitur.

11/14/2017 9:46:32 AM

HotaruSobotka

“American” rarely refers to subjects not connected with the United States."
That actually reminded me of the time I started an "American F1 fans" page, and some of the fellows on the site where I posted the announcement said "What about the NON-US americans?" Got a good laugh from me, unlike this pile of shit.

11/14/2017 12:33:42 PM

SpukiKitty

Enough with the word-twisting! This was the First Nation's land first and your ilk violently stole it!

You could've settled here and learned to co-exist with your hosts but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....you had to take over the place!

11/14/2017 2:46:22 PM

KrazyKat

Dude....The Americas [and the people] existed way before Europeans drifted this way, {like Amerigo Vespucci, from whom the name America was taken.} The people already living in The Americas back then - they were the original "natives".


"America” is the European-seeded polity". Then why wasn't it called "Euramica" or "Eurowest" or something?


Paul, you can't whitewash the history of genocide that was committed by the "European-seeded" immigrants up and down the Americas back then.


Next....

11/14/2017 4:49:01 PM

Psalmanazaar

I hate to say this, but genocide denial and minimization is almost mainstream in the US. You meet a lot of people who think that either a)there was no systematic killing or displacement, or b) it was justified (usually some version of the Ayn Rand argument that they weren’t using the land efficiently or weren’t “worth saving”).

11/15/2017 4:11:00 PM

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