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Another thought I had about the disingenuous claim that “TERF” is merely a neutral description (or even that it started off as some innocent neutral description before a few bad apples started using it viciously): This term, by design, paints radical feminists as mean bullies at best, bigots at worst, because of the word “exclusive”. This word immediately triggers the patriarchally ingrained belief that women should never say no. To say no, to be exclusive of anything, to create and define boundaries, is a form of power. And women aren’t allowed to have power.

Second, it’s meant to derail and deflect from what radical feminists actually stand for. It’s like calling supporters of reproductive rights baby killers and calling yourself pro-life, immediately positioning outsiders as anti-life in general, even murderers. By calling us “trans-exclusive” every time they refer to us it sounds like our only purpose is to keep transpeople down and condone any harm or violence against them. As if we don’t have specific aims for females that we want to focus on that just doesn’t have anything to do with men having body dysphoria or men also having mental anguish with living in a society that enforces sex roles.

Why not call it “Female liberation centered feminism?” It may be redundant, but in this climate with its many waves and factions, it’s use makes the focus of radical feminism more clear. Or even any description that shows what we stand FOR as opposed to making us solely an “anti/exclusive” group? The reason is to paint us as bigots and entitled bullies from the get go. This is why the progression of using “TERF” as a slur and part of hateful rhetoric was always the logical conclusion.

Kris, Feminist Current 10 Comments [10/11/2017 1:01:38 PM]
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Insult to Rocks

Or, you know, we could find your bigotry and supremicist tendencies abhorrent. The patriarchy isn't hiding behind every corner.

10/11/2017 4:05:43 PM

Skide

Oh it`s a slur alright, one well deserved as well. You want only power to be a bigot and exclude others, not only women but nobody should have such power, period.

ps. If you want to not be associated with transphobic bigots then do not focus on how you don`t consider us the right gender all the time.

10/11/2017 4:06:00 PM

Citizen Justin

Let's face it though, for people who are against transsexuality you sure do talk about it a lot, darling.

10/11/2017 4:43:02 PM

DarkPhoenix

This term, by design, paints radical feminists as mean bullies at best, bigots at worst, because of the word “exclusive”.


That might be because the beliefs you are expousing match the description of "mean bullies"...

10/11/2017 5:56:10 PM

Shepard Solus

Why not call it “Female liberation centered feminism?”

For the same reason we don't call cancer "liberated cellular division ". Because it's an attempt to pretty up the subject in order to hide how nasty it really is.

using “TERF” as a slur

It's not a slur. It's a clinical assessment of what you objectively are. You are a radical feminist who wishes to exclude transwomen from the feminist movement. You are a trans-exclusive radical feminist. Don't like being recognised for you words & actions and treated accordingly? Tough shit.

10/12/2017 1:34:18 AM

Yossarian Lives

Meh. In this, Kris is clearly saying that feminism to her typically involves combatting issues which affect the female sex, that it is right for feminists to fight for issues which don't directly concern trans-women, and that the term TERF is commonly used against those who prioritise (biological) women. Given that feminists who have expressed dismay at male rapists for being permitted into female prisons have been made out to be TERF bigots, and any woman who makes similar concerns about female safety from male violence gets labelled with the term, I have strong sympathy.

There is nothing anti-trans here, no bigotry against trans, it's just a feminist concerned about feminists being coerced into distorting their cause of equality of the sexes to accommodate something different and that they're being labelled TERFs for doing so.

10/12/2017 4:02:29 AM



@ Yossarian Lives

Really good points that you brought up.


10/12/2017 4:21:14 AM

Pharaoh Bastethotep

This word immediately triggers the patriarchally ingrained belief that women should never say no. To say no, to be exclusive of anything, to create and define boundaries, is a form of power. And women aren’t allowed to have power.

Everything is sexist!!1

Why not call it “Female liberation centered feminism?

Because you are not centered around female liberation, but around hating transwomen, like a "pro-family advocate" who spends far more time ranting about the immorality and perversion of homosexuality than actually speaking on family. And, as with Republican so-called "Family Values™", on the few occasions where you actually speak on topic, you quickly reveal your idea of "Female Liberation" to be so twisted and deranged that it aggressively alienates everyone outside of your echo chamber, including and especially those you claim to champion.

10/12/2017 5:09:41 AM

Azereaux

Well, you are excluding a subset of women. And excluding people on such a basis is a type of bigotry. No one is saying you can't create boundaries or have power. You are the ones saying that trans people don't have that power. That their lives are defined by you, and that they must conform to your viewpoints.

Sounds to me like you are fitting your own definition of oppressor towards a minority. You are the ones with the power, and you decide to use it to belittle, marginalize, and in general treat said minority as second-class citizens and/or aberrations.

So, how are you any better than the people you say you oppose? Because it seems that when you have the power, you act exactly like them.

10/12/2017 6:24:22 AM

Swede

How can "trans-exclusive" be neutral or innocent?

It has nothing to do with women not being allowed to say no, it has to do with oppressed people ought to know how it feels to be oppressed, and not do it to others.

FLCF is not as easy to pronounce as TERF is.
Oh, and in what way is radical feminism more centered on female liberation, than normal feminism is? Sounds a bit like "People's Front of Judea" vs. "Judean People's Front".

Yup, people intent on excluding some people are often seen as entitle bullies.

10/12/2017 6:59:34 AM

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