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[Comment under "Red Famine-New book on Stalin's atrocities"]

Brits severely exacerbated famines in Ireland and Bengal through food export and a policy of neglect. The Nazis orchestrated famine in the occupied Soviet Union through the Hunger Plan, a policy of massive scale pillaging of food. Americans caused hundreds of thousands to die in Iraq through sanctions alone.

The Holodomor is a complete lie though. Not a single shred of evidence that the famine was orchestrated by the government. The worst you could say is that the government handled it incompetently and that more people could’ve been saved. Not the malicious “Who cares, they’re Irish/Bengali” that you can see in British officials (Churchill no less) in those famines.

The famine was a massive catastrophe for Soviet agriculture when the party was trying to mobilize the peasantry to replace individualized and wage labor based agriculture with socialist collective agriculture. All of the Soviet documents from the time indicate that the rapid advancement of agriculture was necessary if the USSR ever hoped to industrialize, and famine is the opposite of that. How the USSR would benefit from hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian poor peasants starving, who were overwhelmingly on the side of collectivization against the Kulaks, is beyond me.

maratthejacobin, Reddit - r/socialism 2 Comments [10/11/2017 12:49:09 PM]
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Submitted By: JeanP

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Well, there was nationalism, attempting to break the will of a nation that wasn't overly fond of their invaders...

And even with the examples of other countries failings you cite, and even assuming that all of your theories on motivation and your numbers are correct (which they aren't), that doesn't excuse the Soviets for the combination of intentional (proven by Soviet documentation!) starvation of a populace and the refusal to change from a failing agricultural model on purely ideological grounds.

Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean that it didn't happen.

10/12/2017 6:57:57 AM

Because you break the will of the people and from there they are less likely to put up a fight

10/12/2017 10:58:09 AM

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