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In some remote southern regions of Malawi, it's traditional for girls to be made to have sex with a paid sex worker known as a "hyena" once they reach puberty. The act is not seen by village elders as rape, but as a form of ritual "cleansing". However, as Ed Butler reports, it has the potential to be the opposite of cleansing - a way of spreading disease.


And most shockingly, here in Nsanje, teenage girls, after their first menstruation, are made to have sex over a three-day period, to mark their passage from childhood to womanhood. If the girls refuse, it's believed, disease or some fatal misfortune could befall their families or the village as a whole.

"Most of those I have slept with are girls, school-going girls," Aniva tells me.

"Some girls are just 12 or 13 years old, but I prefer them older. All these girls find pleasure in having me as their hyena. They actually are proud and tell other people that this man is a real man, he knows how to please a woman."


It's clear, given the hyena's duties, that HIV is a huge risk to the community. The UN estimates that one in 10 of all Malawians carry the virus, so I ask Aniva if he is HIV-positive. He astounds me by saying that he is - and that he doesn't mention this to a girl's parents when they hire him.

A very interesting article throughout. To be clear, later on it is pointed out that this is a dying practice that is condemned by the government and church in Malawi. I see this mainly as an example of how shockingly different cultures can be and how resistant to change they are. While I am sure that the thread will have a lot of flatly racist comments about how primitive and benighted these people are, I think it is important to be humble and not miss the log in our own eye while pointing out the speck in someone else's. Our own cultures have their own stubborn flaws, and the wise thing to draw from articles like these is the importance of self-reflection.

Wow... A literal thread about cultural child rape, but quick... Someone might judge them! Let's premptively call anyone so inclined a racist. Your a piece of work aren't you.

To be clear, I think that what they are doing is horrible. However, I believe in hating the sin but loving the sinner and "judge not lest ye be judged". If you read the article, the parents do this out of the honest, heartfelt belief that it is the best thing for their daughters. I think they are wrong, but as a parent myself I can relate to the intention even if I am horrified by where it has taken them. I certainly do not see them as monsters or bad people, even if they are doing very bad things. I just hope that I am not harming my own children when I do what I do for them out of my own honest, heartfelt desire to give them the best.

And as for preempting racism in this thread, let's be honest here. If you've been on SB for even a little while, you know where threads on hot button issues like this lead. Pedophilia + Africa + Cultural differences = Torrents of shitposts on SB. Not everyone who is horrified by this is a racist, but threads like these DO bring out the racists and ITGs.

David Khoo, Spacebattles 15 Comments [7/16/2017 11:16:18 AM]
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Pharaoh Bastethotep

A Cultural Relativism fundie!

7/16/2017 11:36:43 AM


'the parents do this out of the honest, heartfelt belief that it is the best thing for their daughters'
This part I totally agree with, and this is why it's unfair to revile the parents for being products of their culture. The response to this needs to be education and aid, rather than discrimination and hate.

7/16/2017 11:49:16 AM



At this point, frankly I do not care, they deserve all the scorn they get, if they truly wanted something better for their children they WOULD`VE at least tried to educate themselves and gain the knowledge of the wasting disease which plagues their population.

7/16/2017 12:17:57 PM

Citizen Justin

Yes our own cultures have their own stubborn flaws... but comparing any of said flaws to the institutionalised rape of little girls is like comparing stepping in a small turd to high-diving into a septic tank.

7/16/2017 1:28:49 PM


Immigrants have been arrested, tried & jailed/deported for sexual assaults on children here in the UK.

And as what happened to Gary Glitter, Max Clifford & Rolf Harris prove, racism isn't the issue.

There is the culture of Justice.

Just as in this part of Hull, there is the culture of Annihilating Arguments: and as we are City of Culture this year, therefore...!

7/16/2017 1:29:08 PM

It's too bad that these girls don't start menstrual cycle until they're around 16-18. Matter of fact during the stone ages,girls didn't get their period until they were 16 or 17 and ovulated two-three years after that.

7/16/2017 2:01:26 PM


I wonder if someone from during antiquity or the middle ages will find this practies disgusting. A grown man having sex with a little girl.

7/16/2017 2:08:02 PM

Demon Duck of Doom

Cultural relativism only goes so far.

7/16/2017 2:20:38 PM


Has there been a sudden general explosion of pederasts coming out of the closet recently?

7/16/2017 2:42:12 PM


I honestly don't find this fundie. The guy quite clearly condemns the practice early in the first paragraph even referring to himself as horrified by it later. Chalking it up to being cultural differences later I don't agree with but in the end he flat out says that he doesn't find everyone upset by this racist, just that he thinks that any bad thing happening with black people will get used by racists to claim black people are savages. Which having read rsdt I am inclined to agree with him on. So not fundie not even stupid.

7/16/2017 5:48:50 PM


So... we have a cultural relativist fundie talking about African animist child sex fundies.

7/16/2017 8:45:42 PM


This doesn't belong here; like, at all. He says, to paraphrase:

"Yes, it's awful, but given how resistant even abhorrent traditional practices are to change; in that difficult context, it's understandable that sincerely well meaning people do terrible things. The things they do are to be criticised but not the people themselves; and racial taunts aren't going to help. By the way, it's not as if we're immune to the same flaws".

It's not just a reasonable point of view; he's got it exactly right. Trying to portray this as some sort of paedophile apologia is blatantly just plain wrong, and papers over essentially everything he says for shock value.

7/16/2017 10:28:42 PM

Mister Spak

Not fundie, it's retards and rational people reacting to a news report.

7/17/2017 4:23:45 AM

Doubting Thomas

This is why superstition and blind adherence to tradition is dangerous. This guy's out there likely infecting dozens of underage girls with HIV.

7/17/2017 9:35:30 AM



I would wager it's difficult to seek the kind of education Westerners are privileged to if one grows up in a culture where religion and superstition reign, and the average person is never exposed to radical ideas like 'educate yourself further than what Church tells you' or 'Diseases are natural and preventable and not the wrath of God'.
As a science-based society, we need to bring the education to them.

7/19/2017 7:51:54 AM

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