[OP of "Understanding Consent"]
The legal and moral issue of a minor's ability to consent is the main problem preventing the acceptance of MAPs and pedosexuals in Western society. This post seeks to provide a solution to the question of consent.
Can a minor consent?
The short answer is yes, minors can consent to a sexual relationship. While they often do not understand the concept of relationships, all minors show non-verbal/emotional signs of consent, or the lack thereof; these signs become far more obvious during and after sexual interaction.
What is consent?
[I]In common speech, consent occurs when one person voluntarily agrees to the proposal or desires of another. The concept of consent has been operationalized in several major contexts, including in law, medicine and sexual relationships. Types of consent include implied consent, expressed consent, informed consent and unanimous consent.[/I]
Consent is, simply, an expression of acceptance which includes non-verbal forms such as implied consent.
How can consent be determined?
Consent is easily determined by observing emotional reactions during sexual interaction - struggling and other resistant actions show an implied lack of consent regardless of verbal consent (yes/no) given; conversely, acceptance and enjoyment indicate the consent of a minor.
Is it morally wrong to misinterpret consent?
No, provided that the appropriate apology and compensation is given. Always remember that accidents are unavoidable and aren't always your fault. And as it is typically not possible for our desires to be otherwise satisfied, our actions are very much justified.
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Genie: "Hey, would you like some cake?"
Randomguy: "Maybe, why?"
Genie: "Okeydokey!" (Turns all of Randomguy's friends into cake)
Randomguy: "Hey, I didn't want that!"
Genie: "But I really wanted to turn people into cake and you seemed like you might be okay with that, so I did! It's not my fault if I misinterpreted that."
...Not quite the same, but a similarly superficial level of understanding consent.
What? You are recognizing that minors can't give informed consent (since they don't understand what a sexual relationship entails) which by the way is the only form of consent that matters in this regard and still try to weasel your way out of it? And no, implied consent is not enough since you could interpret ANY gesture as consent if you just wanted to (which you obviously do). You sicken me!
EDIT: Consense is so easily understood, yet seemingly so difficult for anyone who wants to ignore the concept for their own goals. Wonder why that is...
"And as it is typically not possible for our desires to be otherwise satisfied, our actions are very much justified."
Translation: "If you're one of us, you get horny for little kids, the laws prohibiting you from acting on your desires make you part of a minority that's persecuted by a majority that just don't understand! So go ahead and do it anyway!"
As a MAP I should say that those opinions don't represent the entire MAP community. Consent is taken very seriously by a lot of pedos, and we wouldn't take non-verbal acceptance as a valid expression of willingness, nor we would excuse ourselves of misinterpreting consent. The golden rule is to never deceive, never pressure and never omit. The invitation should always come from the most vulnerable in a relationship, and never imposed onto them.
@ Not-at-all-ethical Pedo
Unorthodox ideas like telling kids at an age they are inherently inclined to trust basically anything said to them that no stranger ever wants to hurt them, getting naked is nothing more than a fun game, and you should do all kinds of things for approval, all you have to do is say yes and that means you understand everything. Just don't tell your parents.
The only ethical pedophile is one that understands that involving a child in a sexual act is taking advantage of their limited mental capacity, and even in the outlandish event they believe a child is coming on to them it is their responsibility as an adult to put a stop to that tomfoolery.
When your attraction abruptly ends at a certain age you can't tell yourself there is anything about the individual that attracts you other than their youth and naiveté. Quit pretending it's romance. You want the opportunity to use children for your own gratification. You intend to toss them aside like refuse and leave them to sort the emotional impact, telling yourself comforting lies to wash your hands of the aftermath. You're the one that's human garbage.
@UnethicalPedo
"Consent is taken very seriously by a lot of pedos"
No it is not, what you do is rape pure and simple it doesn't involve consent in slightest, it involves coercion deception and manipulation, you use your age and position as an authority figure to get what you want and you don't give a damn about the child you hurt anymore than a serial killer gives a damn about their victims. You're a selfish uncaring thing that should be removed from society and locked away where you can never hurt another child.
Can a minor consent?
Depends:
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If that invented by Sir Alec 'Mini' Issigonis was like Disney's VW Beetle 'Herbie' or had an AI such as 'K.I.T.T.': and had the sentience to do so.
But then, even a remodelled Pontiac Trans Am/Nanotech-enhanced Ford Shelby GT500KR could never get a mortgage or credit card: there's an extremely good reason why adverts for such say 'Over 18s Only' and 'Subject to Status'.
...and I doubt that such with William Daniels'/Val Kilmer's voice would say 'Yes' to such a... request .
@EthicalPedo
The only "ethical pedophile" is one that has recognized that their attraction is harmful to those that they are attracted to and seeks to control themselves.
If you recognize this and work towards curbing your attraction to children, and avoid trying to fulfill your drives through whatever means necessary and have never given in to your attraction to children you are behaving in an ethical manner, if you have not, and have had sex with a child then you completely lack any right to refer to yourself as ethical.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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