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(Homosexuality) is found throughout nature, therefore natural.

Rape, murder, incest, cannibalism, torture, bestiality, etc. are all found in nature so according to you - natural.

Here we go again, back to the same acts of abuse which homosexuality isn't. Is this a fun game for you?

Here we go again using lame nonsense about gay being natural and running to hide when someone points out that your logic makes all the other things the occur in nature natural as well - by the exact same standard.

The response to that is still the same response it has always been, the same response you've gotten from other people, the same response you will always hear from anyone halfway reasonable: CONSENT. Which, not coincidentally, is the word YOU unfailingly run hiding from- every single time.

You stated if it happens in nature it's normal, you lying bro?

I'll play your game. I stand by my statement. Now you get to explain to me why you think rape and torture are normal.

My son and I recently witnessed 10-15 male ducks gang-raping a female (who repeatedly tried to get away). Have you ever seen a cat with a torturing a mouse, or heard the death scream of a rabbit caught in the talons of an owl? You also neglected to address cannibalism, incest, and pedophilia which also occur in nature so therefore according to you are all natural. Homosexuality is a state of being - being mentally/emotionally ill.

None of those things is what any reasonable person would call torture (or incest or pedophilia). The animal kingdom has its own set of rules for what takes place. Cats eat mice. Owls eat rabbits. Since the medical world has no issue with homosexuality, I don't either. And your reason boils down simply to the superstition you were raised with.

Now we are attempting to create different rules to justify you lame ridiculous statements?
Animals mate out of instinct, for example when a whitetail buck is in the rut, it will "breed" anything that resembles a doe (including each other). My wife's aunt one sent her a postcard depicting a buck doing a German Shepherd, so according to you bestiality is natural.
The honest medical world know homosexuality is a mental/emotional disorder. Nothing changed since the APA first put it on their list except political pressure.

Bestiality is defined as a human being having sex with an animal. It's not defined as an animal having sex with another animal. The APA changed their stance because they got better data and it's only gotten better since then. I can't really explain what's going on with anyone stupid enough to believe you can lobby a medical organization. Especially when you are a marginalized group with little to no power as it was with homosexuals in the 1970s, but I get that you need your confirmation bias provided by hate groups.

Cross species is cross species no matter who does it. Then homo must be two humans and not two animals - so you lie again.
"The APA changed their stance because they got better data." Another lie, it was political period, no new data, just PC BS.
I can't really explain what's going on with anyone stupid enough to believe you can't lobby a medical organization with enough pressure.

You can't. Science is science. How do you lobby something that is authoritative? That's your problem right there. You don't accept authority. So running away with your hands covering your ears means that you can pretend evolution doesn't occur and even consulting a dictionary to you is an "appeal to authority". It isn't an appeal if the source is iron-clad factual. This is your way of trying to level the playing field so that everything becomes "faith" when your own faith is ridiculed when it makes bigoted statements. Who's the troll now? Daresay it's you.
Speaking of authority and the dictionary, look up "bestiality" to see how your attempt to twist its meaning failed so horribly.

"Science is science" What is that some kind of magic phrase to somehow prove anything?

"What’s noteworthy about this is that the removal of homosexuality from
the list of mental illnesses was not triggered by some scientific
breakthrough. There was no new fact or set of facts that stimulated
this major change. Rather, it was the simple reality that gay people
started to kick up a fuss. They gained a voice and began to make
themselves heard. And the APA reacted with truly astonishing speed.
And with good reason. They realized intuitively that a protracted battle
would have drawn increasing attention to the spurious nature of their
entire taxonomy. So they quickly “cut loose” the gay community and
forestalled any radical scrutiny of the DSM system generally" - Behaviorism and Mental Health dot com

Oboehner, Christian News Network 17 Comments [5/19/2017 11:31:32 AM]
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Jocasta McFucken

Actually the article he quotes at the end which he says comes from Behaviorism and Mental Health dot com is actually from a book called "Homosexuality: the Mental Illness that Went Away" written by a bigot named Phil Hickey.

5/19/2017 11:54:40 AM

Count Zapolai

I love this line of logic. To paraphrase:

A: Homosexuality is bad because it's unnatural.

B: But homosexuality is natural, here are some examples.

A: Hah! Here are lots of bad things that are also natural. Just because homosexuality isn't unnatural, doesn't mean it's not bad!

It's a total crash and burn in literally two sentences.

5/19/2017 12:02:52 PM

Oboehner truly is a special kind of stupid, he either has no comprehension of what consent is or flat out ignores it, attempts to apply human ethics and morals to animals and in general behaves in a childish manner. I'm honestly waiting for him to reply to a question with "I know you are but what am I".

5/19/2017 12:45:33 PM


Why bother?

5/19/2017 1:00:02 PM

"Rape, murder, incest, cannibalism, torture, bestiality, etc. are all found in nature"

especially in Christian theocracies.

5/19/2017 1:00:23 PM

Well, it's true that something being natural doesn't necessarily make it good. Half a point there to Oboehner, but only half because fundies tend to argue out of both sides of their mouth in regards to the naturalistic fallacy and he seems to be doing that here.

The rest is either flat-out wrong, or is assuming that non-fundies have the same perspective on certain subjects that fundies do (understandable, but still stupid). Minus five for that.

5/19/2017 2:12:35 PM



Thank god somebody pointed that out. I try to stay away from using the natural fallacy when discussing this subject, because of course the fundies can then point out that whole "rape is also natural" crap. Problem of course being that they try to use the natural fallacy to discredit homosexuality in the first place ("it's unnatural" being the simple variation, "it's against the natural imperative to multiply" the more complex one), making them absolute hypocrites (no surprise there).
Oboehner is a great example of this kind of double think. And he feels so smart about it too, I can just tell...

5/19/2017 3:26:19 PM


I have to post this every time Oboner acts like a moron in an argument...

5/19/2017 6:12:55 PM

Thinking Allowed

Hey Bonehead, I've said it before. What isn't natural is worshiping a deity.

5/19/2017 8:33:07 PM


Again, it's this: "Homosexuality is found throughout nature, so it's natural. Yes, bad things like rape, murder, incest, cannibalism, torture, bestiality are also found throughout nature, so they too are natural. But unlike those other things, homosexuality can be practiced under *mutual informed adult consent without anybody getting hurt!* However, it won't be necessary to say that last part, because it *goes without saying* to such an extent that it couldn't possibly happen that anyone doesn't get it!"

5/20/2017 1:41:28 AM

Titania, the original

I call bullshit on the deer/dog sex. That post card was photo shopped. Prey doesn't fuck the predator.

5/20/2017 3:49:20 AM

Shepard Solus

"I don't like" =/= "it's unnatural". I don't like lightning storms and Ebola but that doesn't make them unnatural. Unnatural would be something like, say, restricting and even punishing the non-harmful indulgence of perfectly natural urges. Nature is full of things we don't like for various reasons. Nature is entirely capable of destruction. In fact it's driven by it. It falls to us, as sapients, to pick through the pile and figure out which parts are harmful and which aren't. Rape is. Homosexuality isn't.

5/20/2017 4:55:15 AM



You mean every time Oboehner argues.

5/20/2017 5:05:31 AM

Doubting Thomas

I don't have the time nor patience that Parodyx has. More power to him.

5/20/2017 6:30:58 AM

rubber chicken

Y'know what isn't natural ? Marriage.

5/20/2017 7:30:48 AM


Parodyx isn't very good at this.

5/21/2017 1:16:34 AM


Show me in Nature any other creature that exhibits religious behaviour: certainly fundamentalist, o Boner?


5/21/2017 1:27:11 PM

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