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Muslim applies critical thinking to islam, asks for clarification/answers. Fundie responds:

Let me give you an advice. You can either accept that the world is much more complex than your Westernized world view which is a load of fantasy. There are harsh realities in this world that you won't be able to comprehend without coming to realism and leaving western fantasies.

Europeans have been lecturing muslims on humanism and yet they treat refugees worse than they treat their animals because of religion.

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Pharaoh Bastethotep

Let me give you an advice. You can either accept that the world is much more complex than your Westernized world view which is a load of fantasy. There are harsh realities in this world that you won't be able to comprehend without coming to realism and leaving western fantasies.


5/18/2017 7:28:19 AM

Skide

Perhaps if you ever took any of these lessons to hearts, there wouldn`t be that many problems with your non-assimilating asses being made to be fucking skeletors invading the secular paradise some folks built for themselves.

I refuse to be tought anything by a willing slave. First, spit in the eye of your god, then tell me about humanity.

5/18/2017 9:44:50 AM

Elie

The guy's wrong on most things, but his last statement is pretty much on point, even if it is hypocritical.

5/18/2017 12:38:36 PM



And some Muslim nations treat woman like cattle.

5/18/2017 6:38:52 PM

Indicible

@ Elie

Depends on who you are talking about. The people who treat refugees like crap generally do not give a crap about humanism. I would even go as far to say that they simply do not know about humanism, because they are uncultured morons.
On the other hand, while things are far from perfect, at least, we are trying, we are saving people from the sea, we have a (flawed, I will give you that) system in place to take care of refugees once they are in Europe.
Nevertheless, we simply do not have the means to take care of the millions who want to come to Europe. At least, we are not the ones who made their lives so miserable they had to leave. That role falls squarely on islamist shoulders, most of the time.

5/18/2017 10:25:43 PM

Glandu

@Indicible

Real mess in syria began after the agriculture did crumble. global warning is guilty. We westerners and our polluting habits are guilty.

5/19/2017 5:22:09 AM

Swede

What about all the countries nearer to Syria than Europe? How are they treating the refugees? (I know that Lebanon has A LOT of refugees, but Saudi seems conspicuously non-cooperative.)

How are women and children treated in Saudi Arabia, in Somalia, in Afghanistan, in Indonesia?

Some five-six hundred years ago, it was the other way around; Middle East was where knowledge, inventions, enlightenment flourished. Europe was where bigotry, oppression, witch-hunts, anti-science roamed.

Sweden took in almost as many refugees as Germany did, in the refugee crisis, although we only have a tenth of their population. We are a much richer country than Lebanon, sure, but over 100 000 people in just a few months takes its toll even on us. I won't say that our migration process is perfect, and we're treating the non-accompanied teenagers pretty poorly.

A side note; we treat our animals fairly well...

5/19/2017 6:04:32 AM

Mister Spak

"Europeans have been lecturing muslims on humanism and yet they treat refugees worse than they treat their animals because of religion. "

Muslims have been lecturing western infidels on the superiority of islam and yet you muslim countries are shitting out millions of refugees desperate to leave their third world Islamic hellhole risking their lives to get to western infidelland.

5/19/2017 6:21:54 AM

Anon-e-moose

Let me give you an advice


And when you can learn Grammar, I'll listen.

But not today.

5/19/2017 7:26:12 AM



"Real mess in syria began after the agriculture did crumble. global warning is guilty. We westerners and our polluting habits are guilty."

Please shut the fuck up. If this was actually the driving factor or the sole cause as you seem to think it is, you would be seeing civil wars everywhere.

"In 1981, as in the 1970s, 53 percent of the population was still classified as rural, although movement to the cities continued to accelerate. However, in contrast to the 1970s, when 50 percent of the labor force was employed in agriculture, by 1983 agriculture employed only 30 percent of the labor force. Furthermore, by the mid-1980s, unprocessed farm products accounted for only 4 percent of exports, equivalent to 7 percent of non-petroleum exports. Industry, commerce, and transportation still depended on farm produce and related agro-business, but agriculture's preeminent position had clearly eroded. By 1985 agriculture (including a little forestry and fishing) contributed only 16.5 percent to GDP, down from 22.1 percent in 1976." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agriculture_in_Syria

So notice a few things:

1. with industrialization a larger percentage of the population is able to lead a non-agrarian life, they can afford to have a society where most people aren't just farmers

You wanna get rid of fossils fuels? Then prepare for a much harder life.

2. they actually exported some farm products (why would they do that if they're needed so badly inside the country?)
3. Even in 1985 agriculture was only 16.5% of GDP and was dropping every year, so even if they have a food shortage, they have the means to just import food (at least they did BEFORE the war started)

Hell nobody in my family does agriculture. It's 0% of household income. By your logic I guess we're all starving LOL.


You know another place where agriculture is hard to do? Alaska - yeah, not seeing a civil war there yet. Or any time soon.

Economies adapt, worst case scenario they import the food if they can be productive in other ways.

5/19/2017 8:53:28 AM

Mister Spak

@2053988



""Real mess in syria began after the agriculture did crumble. global warning is guilty. We westerners and our polluting habits are guilty."

Please shut the fuck up. If this was actually the driving factor or the sole cause as you seem to think it is, you would be seeing civil wars everywhere. "

[irl]https://www.theguardian.com/environment/blog/2013/mar/06/food-riots-new-normal[/url]

Please shut the fuck up dumbass.

5/22/2017 5:02:05 AM

ChrisBP747

@2053988

"You wanna get rid of fossils fuels? Then prepare for a much harder life."

First of: Untrue, dangerous and exceptionally lazy thinking. There are so many alternative energy sources being developed or already available that at least a slow transition to those doesn't mean a reduction of living standards (Switzerland, Great Britain and Germany are slowly getting there for example). And it is absolutely necessary, not only because of global warming, but also because fossil fuels will be getting very hard to come by in the future.
Secondly: What has this to do with whether global warming has caused the syrian conflict? Or are you just throwing that in there?

I do agree that Syrias problems are not only caused by global warming though. The situation is more complicated than either of you is representing it to be I believe.

5/22/2017 7:37:22 AM

Anon-e-moose

You wanna get rid of fossils fuels? Then prepare for a much harder life


Tesla Motors. Why is their revenue $7 billion? Why did Siemens of Germany massively invest in the expansion of it's existing facilities here in Hull, thus making such the biggest producer of wind turbines* in Britain? Why is the first network of driverless cars - electric - by 1) General Motors, and 2) in Milton Keynes here in Britain?

Oh, and not forgetting:



That's a very green form of transport Donald Fart is using there: electric.

Me, I use a bicycle. I have four; started using today the newest one I finished building last week, with the last part being a rear six-speed wheel.

Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride.


-John F. Kennedy

A former US President agrees, don't bother him about it.

Or the current Foreign Secretary, Boris Johnson:



Yep, that's how he travels to that most important government job. But even as former Mayor of London, he eschewed the limousine he had the right to use, in favour of his bicycle.

But then, he was the one who created the Barclays Bank - now Santander - sponsored public cycle hire network in London: nicknamed 'Boris Bikes'.

He's a Conservative. Your call.

*- Wouldn't surprise me if Siemens made the wind turbines that were used in the wind farm not far from a certain golf course in Scotland. Three times did Donald Fart try in Scotland's courts to prevent such from being built. Three times he failed.

Yet, he has no problem with using sustainably-powered vehicles. Nope, no hypocrisy on Wiggy's part, nosiree! [/Doug Piranha-levels of sarcasm]

What do you bet that he has shares in General Motors: makers of those electric driverless cars in Milton Keynes...?!

5/22/2017 8:07:43 AM



"
Please shut the fuck up. If this was actually the driving factor or the sole cause as you seem to think it is, you would be seeing civil wars everywhere. "




HOLY DUMBFUCK BATMAN!

Yes Robin the anonymous coward really is a dumbass

5/22/2017 8:15:43 AM

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