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(Sounds like someone NeoMatrix would get along with...)

I think atheists need a state of their own, where anyone who is an atheist can become a citizen (similarly to Israel's Law of Return) while religious belief is treated as a mental illness and proselytizing is criminalized.

One solution would be to form an atheist paramilitary group and then attack either ISIS in Syria, or AQAP in Yemen, seizing enough of the terrorists' territory to form a state. It would be like Call of Duty, but for real. The international community wouldn't exactly intervene to stop us, since they oppose the terrorists too.

TakeYerPills, /r/POLITIC 38 Comments [5/16/2017 5:31:39 AM]
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What are you fifteen?

5/16/2017 6:45:42 PM

Demon Duck of Doom

@Neo: While your proposal is appealing, it runs into the small issue of "Lots of the Alt-Reich are atheists too."

5/16/2017 11:01:49 PM

SomeApe

@NeoMatrix:

it would be built on scientific inquiry regardless of ethics

What do you mean?

5/17/2017 12:48:52 AM

NeoMatrix

@Demon Duck of Doom
As I said, it wouldn't be objectivist, which would take the alt-right out of the picture.

@SomeApe
Ethics are detrimental to the scientific process and are based in Christian ideology, so they would be ignored.

5/17/2017 4:14:05 AM

Hazelnut

Edgelording 15 year old detected.

Go back to screaming about how everyone on the opposing team is a FUCKING HACKING FAAAAHGET.

5/17/2017 8:10:06 AM

Azereaux

@NeoMatrix

Ethics is a branch of philosophy dealing with individual actions. Not all ethics are derived from Christianity (Just ask the Jews. Or Zoroastrians. Or... well, the list goes on, including humanists).

Science divorced from ethics gives you things like Josef Mengele and Unit 731.

5/17/2017 8:25:04 AM



"I always imagined an atheist state a bit like Rapture from Bioshock, except not underwater and not Objectivist. It would have to be separate from other nations, and it would be built on scientific inquiry regardless of ethics. It would be ruled by scientists rather than politicians, with care and compassion for all its citizens. It would pioneer technology light-years ahead of the rest of the world too, without stupid things like Christian morals getting in the way. "

Scientists can be just as morally corrupt as politicians. The difference is they will probably be smarter at controlling your life. Don't assume that translates into benevolence.

And doing science and nation building - not the same thing. Knowing science doesn't suddenly make you a statesman.

Oh and being an atheist doesn't make you a scientist or "rationalist" or anything either. Stop trying to conflate the two. Atheists have proven that they can be just as moronic as everyone else, nothing wrong about being an atheist but also nothing special about being an atheist.

5/17/2017 8:34:55 AM

Demon Duck of Doom

@Azereaux: Mengele wasn't a scientist, he was a torturer in a lab coat.

5/17/2017 9:25:22 AM

The Reptilian Jew

@Demon Duck of Doom
Technically speaking, no. Many of his, um, "experiments" did follow the scientific method, for example his twin experiments.
Also Unit 731 still stands. They studied the efects of biological weapons without those silly little things like "human rights" and "ethics" standing in their way. We all know how that turned out.
People like to diss bioethics but when you fumble aroung with living beings having a good sense of ethics is a must.

5/17/2017 1:40:07 PM

Demon Duck of Doom

@Reptiloan: There's a reason I didn't dispute Unit 731 being listed.

Regarding ethics, I think there's a point where it stops mattering. If you had to kill a few people to stop climate change, would you?

5/17/2017 9:07:51 PM

Pharaoh Bastethotep

@NeoManiac:
And of course, you see yourself as one of the Science Lords, not as Test Subject #32455...

@Demon Duck of Doom:
"When do the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few?" IS one of the basic dilemmas of ethics.

5/18/2017 12:37:13 AM

KingOfRhye

@NeoMatrix

...with care and compassion for all its citizens.


And you know what makes people HAVE care and compassion?

ETHICS!!!

eth·ics
'eTHiks/
noun
plural noun: ethics; noun: ethics

1. moral principles that govern a person's behavior or the conducting of an activity.

(since you're apparently using the word to mean something else...)

5/18/2017 6:41:32 AM

Demon Duck of Doom

@Bastethotep: You're right, I worded that one poorly.

5/18/2017 7:19:31 AM

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