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Let’s face it: This generation of Incels is lost

We are in the worst place at the worst time in terms of relationships and sex. 50/60 years ago, the dating market was completely different from now. Sex was only allowed in marriage, people who had it outside of wedlock were shamed and punished. But then the sexual revolution happened. In theory, this should have been a great idea: Casual sex and sex outside of marriage are now accepted. People can enjoy it without any restrictions. But this had one flaw: Women don’t want sex. Sex is a resource for them they use to get what they want. So the demand for sex went higher, since men wanted to enjoy this casual sex but the supply stayed the same. Women were not interested in it, thus creating a power imbalance on the dating market in favour of women. Just like in a relationship, where the partner who cares less about the relationship has the most power.

Now this back 20/30 years this was not this bad since there where still some restrictions like limited options. You had your town/city maybe the neighbourhood town but the number of potential partners was small. Then technology began to make progress, the internet came and with it new forms of dating. Suddenly you just didn’t have a handful of people to choose from but the whole internet. Again, theoretically this should have benefited men and women. More options mean more chances to find the one for you. But now the power imbalance hit with full force. Without limitations, women could demand best men thanks to the power they had on the dating market. Instead to settle and lower their standards like they were forced to do back then, they could be as demanding as they wanted to and still find someone.

Now we are in the strange situation that the standards for men are still rising while the standards for female are dropping. Men get told they should go to the gym, get a good career, be better looking, be richer. On the other side, women get told even the 400 lbs landwhale is beautiful and deserve a fit and tall men. Thanks to the position of power females hold in the market, the chances are good she finds one. This creates a spiral in which the standards for men rise and rise while many men struggle to keep up with it or are left behind. Men are forced to go lower and lower to find relationships and sex making it even easier for women to date up, creating incels in the progress since we don’t have the option to date down.

And this is what I mean when I say we are in the worst place in the worst time. The market is dictated by females, creating even higher standards since nobody challenges their position of power. Men are like hamsters in their wheels trying to run faster to keep up with it, fuelling the female privilege even more. A downward spiral that creates incels, or simply men who can’t keep up with the rising standards.

As a summation, I encourage my fellow incels to stop the self-improvement. You are chasing standards that will get higher day by day, encouraging females to set the limits even higher since they can. Someone who comes here and says you have to improve means that you should bow to the standards female can set because they have the power in the market. Instead of following the demands of females, we should ask: What can we do shift the power in the market to men?

EconomicsofSex, /r/incels 19 Comments [3/16/2017 8:37:36 PM]
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All i can hope is that these kids grow up and mature one day. Instead of brooding on the Internet.

3/16/2017 9:10:42 PM

CrowFood

Women don’t want sex


You...are an idiot

3/16/2017 10:17:25 PM

Pharaoh Bastethotep

Short version:
"I am a psychopath who understands neither women nor men nor love nor sexuality nor society nor economics nor anything else."

3/16/2017 11:59:27 PM

Skide

Ok, and which species are you talking about here? Cause it sure as fuck ain`t terran.

3/17/2017 12:26:02 AM

Pink Jackboots



FTFY

3/17/2017 12:30:28 AM



"Let’s face it: This generation of Incels is lost
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Yeah they are. Quite so.

3/17/2017 1:25:43 AM

Malingspann

"Women don’t want sex. Sex is a resource for them they use to get what they want."

That was a critcism of the movie 40 Days and 40 Nights (2002) - that it promotes this attitude.

A young man named Matt Sullivan (Josh Hartnett) decides to give up sex for Lent, the title amount of time. No visits to the gas station of love, not even to use the self-service pumps.

Many a woman goes temptress on him when word gets around; not because they think it's sexy, but because "We women use the possibility of sex to get you men to do stuff for us! If you're allowed to go through with this, Matt, other men might start craving sex much less, ruining women's ONLY source of power!!!"

3/17/2017 3:29:11 AM

Azereaux

First, as several can attest to, women want sex too. Second, if your theory says X therefore Y, and you get X therefore -Y, the problem isn't reality.

Every fucking time they bring up this marketplace bullshit, I get pissed off. Price of studying economics, I guess...

3/17/2017 6:14:23 AM

KingOfRhye

@Azereaux

Anytime someone talks about the 'sexual market value' or crap like that, I just have to think they're saying all women are prostitutes. Which actually sounds like something these guys are likely to say, anyway.

(Not that there's anything wrong with being a prostitute, IMO. Sex is the only thing I know of that is illegal to sell, but is perfectly legal to give away for free, for the most part. I find that illogical.)

3/17/2017 6:28:48 AM

Bimaac

Why is it that guys who have never had a girlfriend and probably never had any interaction with women outside of their mothers, sisters, family members and teachers think that they know what they're talking about?

Unfortunately, the assorted "incel" subs and chans are toxic echo chambers that reinforce these beliefs.

And I'd love to rain on this dipshits parade, or in this case be a sunny day, but 50, 60 years ago, there was plenty of sex outside of marriage and adultery happening.

>Men get told they should go to the gym, get a good career, be better looking, be richer. On the other side, women get told even the 400 lbs landwhale is beautiful and deserve a fit and tall men.

And this is why you dipshits will make no effort at self improvement. Also, by that same token, you whiny manbabies think you deserve a slim or fit petite girl just because you have a penis. And guess what? I'm guessing if a "400 pound landwhale" goes for a tall fit guy, the "Chad" boogeyman/strawman you douchebags have created, I'm guessing he's going to tell her to GTFO.

Again, I think you'll find that guys who are under 5'11, heavy, work jobs that pay less than six figures and aren't conventionally attractive do just fine with the ladies. The difference is that they aren't whiny, entitled, misogynistic manbabies with persecution complex. And once again, you tend to dismiss these guys as being "desperate beta orbiters" because their girlfriends and wives don't look like the other strawman you've created; "Stacey".

3/17/2017 6:41:06 AM

Man Called True

@Malingspann: And then he gets raped, and HE has to apologize to his girlfriend for it. There are a lot of reasons to hate that movie.

@EoS: Get a life that doesn't make you talk like the Toasty Splicer.

3/17/2017 10:07:05 AM

SpukiKitty

Let’s face it: This generation of Incels is lost

Good! Get lost and stay lost!

I haven't read the rest.

3/17/2017 10:37:21 AM

Psalmanazaar

If there was no sex outside marriage, how do you explain all the folk songs?

3/17/2017 11:51:53 AM

The Crimson Ghost

If only these incels would literally get lost.

3/17/2017 12:26:25 PM

Kanna

Hey hey hey, go and define yourself and your fellow Incels if you choose, but I can think of nobody less qualified than an incel to try to explain women.

3/17/2017 12:55:00 PM

Hu's On First

I work retail and I see plenty of fat guys and unattractive guys with wives and girlfriends way more photogenic than themselves.

Meanwhile, I myself am 27, I'm no "Chad", but compared to a lot of the guys I see I'm an Adonis. And yet I still don't have a girlfriend. So men's looks actually don't count for much. If they did, girls would be constantly throwing themselves at me, and that doesn't happen.

What does matter: social skills (I'm autistic so obviously I'm going to have a difficult time in that department). I'm not good with taking initiative (either in relationships or elsewhere) which of course presents a problem.

I think incels might be projecting a bit. Throwing yourself at someone solely based on their looks is something MEN do a lot. Maybe incels just can't imagine women being any different from themselves.

Or maybe they keep assuming human women are like female deer chasing the buck with the biggest antlers. It's true females are usually the driving force behind sexual selection in the animal kingdom. But this isn't necessarily the case in humans.

3/17/2017 5:54:50 PM

Anon-e-moose

Let’s face it: This generation of Incels is lost


...and via your own manbaby-based inability to pollute the gene pool, 'tis a good thing that you never will.

Or you can grow up.


3/17/2017 10:14:12 PM



There's a reason "Ugly Guy, Hot Wife" is a trope and it's not because MEN are held to an unrealistic standard of beauty.

If women don't want sex and only use it to get things, how do you explain premarital sex and pregnancy in previous eras (and the current era in other countries) when the social cost of promiscuity far outweighed any benefit a woman could gain from the man she had sex with?

When people say that an overweight or obese woman is beautiful, they're not saying "she's entitled to a hot boyfriend". You'll rarely find anyone outside your pathetic incel circle who thinks anyone is romantically entitled to anyone else. What they're saying is "Even if a woman is overweight or obese, that doesn't make her less of a person". A fat man is considered a fat person in our society, while a fat woman is often treated as something subhuman.

3/18/2017 4:25:41 AM

Swede

You created your own predicament, you silly bint.

Sex did happen outside marriage 50/60 years ago too, stupid. The term "shotgun marriage" is at least 200 years old. People who got pregnant outside wedlock were shamed, but seldom punished. Another term, that is as ancient as the hills (almost), is "natural child". That's the term for an out-of-wedlock child to a wealthy, often blue-blooded, and influential man, used at least as far back as before Jane Austen's time.

In practice, the sexual revolution was a great idea, for the majority of the population.

No, sex is a resource for YOU. Women do want sex, but we want good sex; it usually takes us longer to peak, so we prefer someone who knows what he or she is doing. Women can get what they want on their own, and we usually find it pretty tacky to sell your body for special favors.

Oh, and judging by the rape culture we are living in, it's the men who have the power. They want to have the casual sex, but shame the women who also want the casual sex, by calling them sluts and whores.

I was young and met my now-husband 30 years ago. Casual sex was a thing back then too, and no-one expected people to wait until marriage before having sex. Back then there were magazines and news-papers where you could place a dating ad, so you could get a partner from at least the whole country back then too.

Men could also demand the best women, thanks to their power on the supposed dating "market". Instead to[sic] settle and lower their standards like they were forced to do back then, they could be as demanding as they wanted to and still find someone.

Women are told they should go to the gym too, that they are never good enough, that they have to lose weight (even the skinny ones), that they are too sexy or not sexy enough, etc, etc, etc. The landwhales of both genders are telling themselves that they are good enough and beautiful in themselves. The chances are good that they do find someone. A happy and confident fat person is much more attractive than a desperate-for-a-shag skinny person is.

Oh yes, you have the option to date down, too. There are ugly and insecure women too, who you probably don't see at all, as you think that they are below you. You are much more shallow than you think the women you simultaneously drool over and hate, are.

There is no market and there is no-one dictating. It's just people finding people they like and are interested in, sometimes stronger feelings spark and a couple is formed.

Women's position of power is challenged daily. We are pushed down with master suppression techniques, we are mansplained and manspreaded wherever we go. If we don't have sex, we are frigid and prudes, if we do have sex, we are sluts and whores. If we don't have kids, we are selfish sluts, if we do have kids, we are welfare whores.

White men are the most privileged group in society. They are so privileged that some of them are outraged when being pictured as a special interest group. They are so used to be just "the people", "the humans", that they can't handle being seen as a uniform minority group. The rest of us are so used to this we don't understand what the whining is about.

Since you hate women so much, maybe you should seek out male partners instead...

3/18/2017 5:38:51 AM

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