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Here's what the Libertarians need from the Alt-Right:

A realization that all their political values are doomed to irrelevancy under a democratic system considering mass immigration and disproportionate birth-rate induced demographic change with the way various ethnic groups consistently and predictably vote. This is just as true for harder-line minarchists as it is for more conventional conservatives. The future at this rate will have Hillary Clinton - style neoliberal progressivism representing the right while the left devolves into a blatant dysfunctional 3rd world communist horror-show. An eventuality where traditional conservative American values of limited government and personal autonomy are totally politically dead, and where the American flag is spat upon with as much disdain as the Confederate flag for it's racist history, is a huge wake up call. Thankfully the Trump phenomenon has made the Republican's strategy of cucking themselves into continued relevancy less doable without creating a blowback shitstorm from their own base, but the trends persist.

Race realism and an understanding of how aspects of HBD can affect the larger civilization in a way that is not conducive to creating a free and prosperous society. While ethnic groups hardly have inevitable political opinions and biological contributions to larger social issues are extraordinarily difficult to tease out, suffice it to say that having a large amount of people with lower IQ's and higher impulsiveness is less than ideal for the smooth functioning of a modern, technologically advanced society. In a way, libertarian concerns about "negative" freedom and personal autonomy are luxurious indulgences of relative material comfort and basic security. If anything, a more free society is going to require a lot more conscientious, morally altruistic or at least reciprocal behavior than the one we have now. People worried about not getting shot or feeding or housing themselves don't give a fuck about tax-cuts and are going to support whatever regime can promise to offer them these basic necessities while they input the minimal amount into the system. If you want to weasel your way out of this, you can fully blame minority dysfunction on culture, but I'm not sure that this is sustainable long-term because it gives you little moral/rational leeway to determine immigration policy at least partially on racial background, which is probably a better strategy to realistically preserve the kind of free society a libertarian might want to live in. Although, there are ways to "implicitly" screen immigrants that would disproportionately favor white immigration, which might reach the same result without being needlessly controversial or insulting to minority groups.

What the Alt-Right needs from Libertarians:

A moral justification for voluntary segregation of people based on racial grouping. Autonomy, self-determination, and freedom of association are all mainstream libertarian values. If they were protected, instead of being openly attacked, in law, it seems like that would be an easy way to create de facto whiteopias without demanding absolute racial purity or actively removing people. Clearly, the 1965 Civil Rights act violates property rights as understood by most libertarians. In fact, I remember the moderate Rand Paul getting some heat for this on an interview in which he evasively Bill Clintoned his way out of. Obviously, repealing the act is the consistent libertarian position.
Support for secession, or at least heightened federalism/local control. Let's face it - whites are not going to rise up and subjugate the darker peoples of America in an apartheid system, or start throwing Jews into ovens, or shipping everyone browner than a paper bag back to Liberia. It's just not happening. You're not even going to get whites to firmly in-group themselves independent of all other criteria in a more severe way than current minority groups already consider themselves vis a vis mainstream identity politics. It would have to get MUCH worse for that to happen, and by that point, it might already be too late (think Suidlanders in South Africa). So, if you're talking about anything approaching an ethnostate, you're talking about secession. In the United States, the implicitly white Red vs implicitly brown Blue divide is a great place to start. You can even encourage the left to do the seceding for you (Calexit). If aware Identarianism can latch on to Libertarian or conservative secession movements, I can see a viable, even if unlikely, route that could hijack pre-existing American ideals and mythology. What

I see many on the Alt-Righters or white nationalists proposing is a sort of raw, Nietzschean will-to-power based on vulgar racialism and requiring a sociopathic view towards non-whites, independent of political affiliation (a libtarded trans-dimensional communist pedophile that is white is in the in-group, while a conservative, productive, traditional Hispanic is out). I think you are setting a very low-ceiling for appeal and success by taking this approach. Let me put it this way, minorities, Jews, etc., did not usurp European societies via in your face, over the top racial chauvinism. They successfully infiltrated a stronger opponent by using universalist arguments in line with (at least some) of the host populations stated values, for self-centered tribal ends. If white's want to win this, they can't be afraid to do the same. If you're willing to condone genocide for Christ's sake, you shouldn't be afraid to argue like a Jew. Being edgelords and pranksters leaving Nazi graffiti on the bathroom stall wall of the internet has gotten you this far, but at some point, that shit is limiting if you want to win. Whites would be nearly ready to come to your side in an absolute landslide if they didn't have the trepidation of being associated with genocidal murderous Nazi race cleansers, and I'm not talking about false smears from the Left, which increasingly no one is taking seriously. I'm talking about from your own mouths.

Cactus Clawfinger, Reddit 3 Comments [3/11/2017 8:12:52 AM]
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THX 1138

Actually, most of my liberitarion freinds just want the government to shrink, not racist facism.

3/11/2017 4:52:42 PM



Amazing. This has made me look more favourably on the Ayn Rand readers.

3/12/2017 5:12:40 PM

Libertarian (ex-Conservative) Atheist

The greatest thing about the alt-right is that it has cleaned out a lot of the baser elements in the libertarian movement.

3/12/2017 7:41:25 PM

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