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Suppose communal living, or something of that nature, becomes popular and is determined to be better than capitalism in a society of free association. Would you mind this? I'm just wondering if acceptance of another system, if it is proven to be better in the free market and in the realm of free association, is an opinion that the others here and in the world share.

It would be consistent with my political system, but inconsistent with my value system. I don't like communal living, just like I don't like drug use or diversity. There are many immoral, undesirable things people can do that are still legal under libertarianism, I'll oppose them all.

I'm curious, what about diversity don't you like?

I value those more genetically similar to me and my cultural traditions in general. There's also the fact diversity increases social tension and conflict.

It's a spectrum, almost everyone prefers homogeneity over diversity at least a little. This is explained by evolution, it makes sense that people would care more when their community is more genetically similar. The empirical evidence backs this up, areas with greater racial diversity exhibit lower social trust, between and within races. Race riots in prisons and schools, the disproportionate Black on White crime, the fact most genocidal/tribal conflicts occurs within the same border, and the balkanization of groups under our democratic system of government suggests diversity is not desirable.

so you dont mind the conflict that occurs when humans interact with other species of animals. you like that kind of diversity, because your side always wins.

Animals are insignificant compared to humans, I don't attribute any moral worth to them. Humans share my genes and general behavior, as well as the fact we are a breeding population. I value the existence of some higher mammals, like Apes and Canines, but they have no place in my ethical system. I care about the lives of other humans, while I don't care if animals suffer at our hands.

pizzlybear, reddit 9 Comments [2/21/2017 2:52:53 AM]
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Pharaoh Bastethotep

I am starting to wonder whether at least some of the peddlers of evo-psych woo and not-just-politically incorrect anthropology are covert creationists (or at least secretly backed up by them) with the goal of finally "showing" the moral decay brought on by materialistic Darwinism, because their bullshit sounds remarkably similar to the supposed implications of Evolution according to fundamentalists.

2/21/2017 3:09:19 AM


In less diverse societies, people are often more scared of people not like them. With diversity comes the realization that we are more alike than we are different. At my former workplace, we had people from some 15 nationalities from all over the world, in my department alone. I don't remember any personal conflicts at all, only job-related ones.

You also have a disproportionate white on black discrimination.
You want people to treat you well? Then treat them well first.

What was the genetic difference between the people in former Yugoslavia? There were quite a few genocidal/tribal conflicts there. As there is only one human race, and we share about 50 percent of our genes with cucumbers, you'd think the genetic difference would be negligible between most groups.

2/21/2017 4:12:53 AM

Mister Spak

" while I don't care if animals suffer at our hands. "

Keep in mind, if you destroy the ecosystem that keeps you alive, you will die.

2/21/2017 5:20:08 AM

Churchy LaFemme

"I value those more genetically similar to me and my cultural traditions"

You may want to check with the European royal families and the Amish. Both groups are rife with inbreeding (genetically similar) and a higher-than-average incidence of hereditary diseases.

"people would care more when their community is more genetically similar"

Actually, even without detailed knowledge of genetics, communities for thousands of years have known it's better if their young men find brides from other communities/villages.

2/21/2017 6:17:12 AM

The Crimson Ghost

This is just one of the many reasons why I prefer the company of animals over people. An animal will never try to con me, steal from me, try to rape me, try to convert me to their moronic religion or try to torture me for fun. People, however...not so much. I think I'd prefer the company of a snake, venomous or not to the presence of 50% of humanity.

2/21/2017 7:00:10 AM


I'm good with diversity, as long as it comes by choice. It's fine with me if there's something like a group home in the neighborhood as long as I can keep my own place. There isn't just one way to live in the world, there are many.

But I think animals are an asset to us even when they're alive and living in the wild. I'll eat meat, but I don't like hunting for hunting's sake. Yes, the deer ate all my day-lilies, and the rabbits got my morning-glories, then the coyotes got the rabbits and at least one of the newborn fawns. The mice ate the bird seed and then the hawk got the mice. Nature is "cruel", but just so the predator can live. That makes animal morality a little higher than yours.

2/21/2017 7:20:59 AM


Sociopath. Seek help.

2/21/2017 5:08:04 PM


@Pharaoh Bastethotep

That might be it, but it would give much credit to creationists. I never met one who could even pretend to accept evolution as fact to make it look bad. In regards to evolutionary psychology I am siding with Gould: These people just say: "Hey, this psychological trait is universal among [insert certain groups of people] because we think it is. It must have a genetic source and must have been an adaptation to our environment and can't possibly be the result of cultural adaptation." without much evidence beyond their own superstitions. Sociopaths and people who want to have their own prejudices "verified" by science LOVE that sort of thing, as can be seen here. "See, it's only natural to hate these people, so I'm right in doing it." (also a naturalistic and therefore seriously flawed argumentation).

2/21/2017 11:19:56 PM

rubber chicken

I'm curious as to how you live with the idea that your politics are inconsistent with your values ? Is it because your politics make you a douche while your values make you a giant douche ?

2/22/2017 12:18:00 AM

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