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Say you see a car in a parking lot, it is 95 degrees outside, the car is not running and there is a child or an animal inside of it. If you broke into the car to save the life of the animal or child, are you violating the owner's right to his property? Thoughts?

Children are one thing. I'd say it's fine to break into a car to aid one. The parents are acting criminally, your response to their negligence would be justified.

Animals have no rights and are only property. You may not break into someone's property to help them.


Other humans share the bulk of my genes, so there is an evolutionary advantage in not harming others. Survival of our genes is all that matters, everything we do or feel is in service to that prime directive. I'm not concerned with arguments of "sentience," one has rights simply by virtue of being human. Perhaps if some non-human was as advanced as humans we would be forced out of necessity to recognize legal rights, but I cannot recognize the ethical rights of non-humans.

What about those humans who possess inferior or defective genes


They have as much of a responsibility to ensure the survival of their genes. Not sure what you're asking.

What advantage is there in not harming a infertile cripple over not harming a dog? If a person is not intelligent enough to understand the concept of property then surely by your definition an act of aggression against them would not be morally wrong.


If the person is a threat, or acts criminally, then their life's value does diminish. If they are extremely mentally disabled, then they're basically the property of their family.

I don't see what impotency has to do with anything. We are a social species, and as such depend on others aid. Harming innocents hurts social cohesion and others would target us as a threat to overall safety.

so if you saw someone torturing a dog you wouldn't try to stop them?

Probably not. I would certainly speak up, but likely not use force. Of course it's also possible my emotions may outweigh my rational thought and I would use force, but I hope I wouldn't.

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