[OP of "Self-improvement vs suicide"]
Self-improvement:
-not guaranteed to work (look at all the incels here who are ripped and still are kissless virgins; failure can lead to suicide)
-can take a very long time with intense amounts of commitment (getting ripped, becoming alpha/masculine, becoming social, losing your social awkwardness and autistic shit, making money, etc)
-not very fun
-can be very painful physically and emotionally
-can be hard betraying who you are just to maybe be attractive to women (everyone wants to be loved for who they are)
Suicide:
-quick
-easy
-potentially not painful depending on method
-permament solution, no more pain and suffering
-can prevent a long and horrible life
-possibility on afterlife depending on your religious beliefs if you have them (though hell is included in many of them)
Well, which sounds better?
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I was at a similar point, too, years ago. Sometimes I wonder how I managed avoiding becoming one of them. I still never managed to ever get into a relationship or have sex, but I simply don't care about it anymore. Definitely not enough to commit suicide about it. There are other things in life.
Well, the problem here is your own superficiality. It prevents incels from coming to the conclusions needed for actual self-improvement. Being physically good-looking means nothing if your personality is crap and since they are under the delusion that women only like "alphas" (aka selfish assholes) and that the women they want to have sex with should be top models themselves, their "self-improvement" falls flat in many ways. Not to mention that the only thing they are after is still sex, which will always shine through. But they don't want to realize that. I would feel sad about their inability to self-reflect at all if they weren't so unpleasant most of the time.
I'm noticing how a lot of the so called incels seem immensely depressed, even to the point of suicide. I hope they seek actual professional help because if one of them manages to get a girlfriend, that person is going to quickly discover that having a relationship isn't going to solve nor even lessen his personal problems.
Self improvement by a country mile. The one that has a lasting effect without ending any chance of getting somewhere in life. Quit whining just because becoming the person you think you want to be is hard.
I swear, these people are getting more and more cult-like every time I see them here...
Let's compare. I could have continued living my old lifestyle and most likely died within a few years due to health concerns, or I could have improved my life. Yes, hard exercise and cutting out my favourite foods was hard and is still unpleasant, but 125 pounds lighter and in the best shape of my life, I am feeling much better about myself. Which choice should I have made? Self improvement can work if you put in the effort.
Don't get me wrong, I am all for euthanasia if life is unlivable, but simply being unhappy when there is psychological help available is not one of those times.
You know, despite all those incel quotes we've mocked plenty around here, I just can't bring myself to mock this one.
Seriously, get some professional help. Tell them everything, EVERYTHING, including how you feel as an "incel" and why you think you're feeling that way.
That way, maybe the doctor can help you with both problems at the same time.
Well, which sounds better?
For me or for you?
@ Malingspann
...who all have the same name as a certain country in Africa.
Ken Ya?
Suicide: the ultimate capitulation. The ultimate admission of being a loser. Let's contrast that with the alternative: you could mature, develop the skills and assets that YOU like best (rather than trying to fit a stereotype of "masculinity"), and enjoy life. When the right person comes along, she can see someone who is happy in his own skin, not one who is posing and pretending.
Don't be a life drop-out. There are decades ahead, during which you will no longer be a confused, frustrated, and dissatisfied adolescent. Be an adult who chooses his own ways of finding pleasure in life. If you need professional mental health, get it. It'll be worth it.
@Nomen Nescio
Razors pain you
Rivers are damp
Acids stain you
Drugs cause cramp
Guns aren't lawful
Nooses give
Gas smells awful
You might as well live.
So now you admit your problem: you're just a bunch of lazy whiners with an entitlement complex. You don't want to have to work for all this stuff you envy in other guys; you just want to sit on your asses and whine until someone gives you shit for free.
And you say that everyone wants to be loved for who they are, yet you can't bring yourself to love a woman whose identity doesn't make her a submissive toy for you. Hypocrite much?
You people deserve to be alone, either forever or until you get your shit together and start acting like decent human beings, whichever comes first.
Okay, as someone who has contemplated suicide himself (don't ask), I'm not going to mock this. Instead, get help OP. Seriously, I do know what it's like to suffer from self-loathing and a severe lack of confidence in oneself. But that is exactly why I'm currently getting help and working as hard as I can to improve myself and build up some confidence while I still can.
Do I always believe in it? Well, I sadly know for a fact it ain't gonna turn me into god's gift for (wo)mankind, that's for sure. And I sometimes lose confidence in my end goal, yes. But that's why you have to push on. Succeed while you still can.
Self-improvement:
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-not very fun
Strongly disagree!
I learned to overcome (most of) the social awkwardness I had as a teenager, and now I can talk to almost anyone without feeling extremely anxious. Definitely a plus! I started going to the gym regularly to gain some muscle mass, and I'll grant that working out isn't fun (for me, anyway), but seeing the results when I step onto the scale is immensely rewarding! I taught myself how to cook, and now I can make delicious food with whatever's at hand (and impress dates I have over). I taught myself a couple foreign languages (not fluently, sadly, because I have no one to speak them with :( ) and while not immediately useful in my day-to-day life, I'm now able to communicate with millions more people around the world and read more things than I otherwise could have.
The reason it's not very fun for you is because your attitude is shit. Whenever I learn something new or improve a skill of mine, I think to myself "I know more than I did yesterday!" or "I'm better at this than I was a week ago!" and it feels awesome! You, on the other hand, throw a crybaby tantrum at the mere suggestion that you're not perfect and that there exists room for improvement, and demand that the world and everyone in it pay attention to you, like a spoiled immature five-year-old. Until you stop kissing your own ass and grow up, then yeah, self-improvement might not be very fun.
Survival , you thankless and utterly clueless child.
People around the world - some suffering privation; others, disability; massive personal or financial losses - get up and take life with gratitude.
You don't have enough life experience yet to determine what is reason for gratitude. (If you're thinking about suicide, consider this first: https://www.metanoia.org/suicide/ )
Self-improvement: makes you a better person.
Self-termination: makes you a deader person.
...seems like a pretty easy call?
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