I think it helps to understand this phenomenon if we see feminism as, in part, a way for high-status women to gain access to high-status men. I’m not offering this as a complete explanation, but it clarifies a whole lot.
A major reason educated feminists value work and career is because it puts them in close contact with men at the upper level. This is an often unconscious motivating factor for them and their parents. Parents fear not pushing their daughters toward success. After all, how else will they find a man to marry?
The lower class working woman has the feminist’s scorn because she is not married to a high-status man and cannot show much for all her drudgery. At the root of all this is materialism and a love of things.
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I'm fairly sure that men and women of roughly equivalent economic, and later educational, brackets have been shacking up since before that over hyped carpenter got nailed to two pieces of wood.
I don't think feminism can claim this as an accomplishment seen as it was solved a great many years before the movement was started.
Or maybe, you are projecting your resentment against the loser you married and against yourself for not making more out of your life onto women who lead far more fulfilling lives both professionally and domestically.
* For what it's worth, Gender Guesser gives "Male" for informal and "Weak Female" for formal.
"I think it helps to understand this phenomenon if we see feminism as, in part, a way for high-status women to gain access to high-status men."
I think it helps to understand your claim if we see your view as an ad hoc assumption needed to make observable reality compatible with political correctness.
It's like I keep saying, Pharaoh Bastethotep; I think if you get right down to it, the reason a lot of these "manosphere" types hate feminism so much is because they think it's the reason they can't get a girlfriend.
Or, y'know, we value education and a career because, to paraphrase the army's slogan, we want to "be all that we can be". I have valued my friends all my life for what each of them is personally, and never for what kind of man they married.
"At the root of all this is materialism and a love of things."
Well, you'd better start leading by example: in the words of our own Quantum Mechanic, 'Stop using computers'.
It's a material thing you clearly love ...! [/hyper-paradox]
Haha, little doormat housefrau is just sooooo fucking jealous.
Listen lady, as your achievements and personal development continue to lag behind those of your peers over time, its just going to get worse
@Pharaoh Bastethotep: Apparently the more words from "Laura" you feed the Gender Guesser, the closer the male-female difference approaches 100%and [i]not[/i] in the female direction . I just tested 15,047 of "her" words lifted from FSTDT and directly from "her" blog itself. The difference score was 70.01% for informal writing and 60.75% for formal writing, both in favor of male.
By comparison, it seems no matter how many words of my writing I test, the score stays consistent at ~60% "male" on informal writing and ~55% "weak male" on formal writing, regardless of the actual formality of writing. So if this thing's any indication, "Laura's" writing is not only "manlier" than mine, but given enough words, it will achieve a singularity of maleness .
I know something like this should be taken with a grain of salt, but I already strongly suspected "Laura" was a man...
A major reason educated feminists value work and career is because it allows us to not have to depend on a man (of any type) to feed and house us. And no, we don't scorn any woman who's gotten stuck in a low-wage job. Many of us have such women in our families; it's not just something to write your MA thesis about.
I was pretty "meh" about this - especially when noting the source, for whom this shit is tame - until I reached the last paragraph.
Working-class women who are materialistic would adopt feminism for the same reason as working-class women who aren't: Equal wage protection, since all adults in a working-class home, with the possible exception of students, are generally working .
And if women capable of reaching top careers have chosen to invest that time not only in themselves but in the search for a partner who is a match for them in drive and intelligence...so what? Isn't that actually a good thing even by Laura's standards? They're fairly likely to raise children like themselves. And without the pressure for two incomes, a family with more status can have the mom (or dad *gasp*) stay at home until the child reaches school age. A few classes and relicensing and the person who took mat leave is ready to work again at a high level job that pays more per hour than a minimum wage-earning worker could make in a week.
Any woman who earns her own money by her own merit at a job where once she'd be restricted by reason of her sex, and yet opposes basic feminism, is both a hypocrite and an opportunist looking for a back door into the Good Ol' Boys Club by earning an honorary manhood badge in exchange for the choices and livelihoods of other women.
@Pharaoh Bastethotep & shy
Gender Guesser. I oughta check that out!
So Laura's a Larry! Not surprised!
That said; I tried to stay undecided since there have been idiots like Phyllis Schlafly, Anne Coulter and "JudgyBitch" out there.
But if that "Gender Guesser" screams "He's a MAN, BABY!" then Woody is a woody-person!
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I tried that Gender-Guesser thingy on a long screed I wrote and....I'm a "Weak Male" (?!).
Being a cis-female who identifies as female, I doubt this is the most accurate thing and this seems to work more on linguistic stereotypes more than anything else.
@SpukiKitty
More accurately, it's a statistical curiosity. It's better than random guessing, but it's not really accurate.
Also, "Weak Male" doesn't mean you're weak. It means it's really hard for the machine to tell; "Weak Female" is very close.
Feminism is a way for women to be seen as equal human beings.
"high status"? Are you a G.I.R.L?
The major reason educated women value work and career is earning our own money, to not be dependent on a man. What's the major reason educated men value work and career? Don't they come in close contact with women at the upper level as well?
Women, thanks to feminism, don't have to marry a man nowadays. They can stay single, live with a man or woman indefinitely, or marry a woman.
There are feminists among working class women (and men) too.
Materialism and a love of things is common in men too.
And considering that this was probably written by an MRA/red piller who never outgrew the, "NO GIRLS ALLOWED!" phase, I'd also say, "That's a MANBABY!" is also fitting SpukiKitty.
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