Quote# 121554

Morality itself tends to fluctuate in time, and who is to say that generations from now, our highest ideals won't be viewed as obscene? Afterall, at one point the KKK, slavery, genocide and torture were all viewed as acceptable. They still are in parts of the world. So by what morals and during what time period would one hold an immortal being to?

Another argument against holding God to human morals is that It isn't human. We don't hold animals to human ethical standards. If we did, we would have to arrest them for murder, public indecency, rape, incest and a whole gamut of other immmoral crimes. Since God isn't a human being, holding him to our standards is likewise pointless.

So I suppose in retrospect, if God ordered me to commit genocide, I probably would. I would have to be reasonably assured that is was actually God. But if so convinced, I would have no moral problem with it. Like my Mother says :\"Son, I brought you into this world, don't think I won't take you out.\"

Cerebulon, FSTDT 27 Comments [9/12/2016 1:58:38 AM]
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Uilleam

See, this is what "it is good because God says so" ultimately leads to. Let's just hope this guy never hears a sufficiently holy-sounding voice in his head.

9/12/2016 2:34:14 AM

Skidie

Except your mother actually did the job, unlike your godmaw and her jests are kind of uncomparable with your readiness to commit attrocities on your own kind. You have an obligation to your species, not a psychopatic beast in the skies!

9/12/2016 3:08:40 AM

Hors Service

That's exactly the problem.

All that is necessary for you to commit acts of utter depravity, cruelty, and totally devoid of humanity, is to be convinced that God told you to.

Easy to manipulate. Unstable. You could change your mind on the smallest whim.

And then, go from feeding the poor to letting people die by lack of care, with the same smile on your face.

<i>You could do the deepest evil while believing sincerely doing the highest good</i>

That's crazy.

9/12/2016 3:51:30 AM

Mister Spak

God has BC notions of morality?

Then it's a good thing he doesn't exist and can't enforce his morality.

9/12/2016 4:17:46 AM

Malingspann

"It isn't human"

If It catches up to you, It will rape you to death. Perhaps while looking like your mother.

9/12/2016 4:27:26 AM



However, if Muslims say the same, they are inmoral. Make up your mind

9/12/2016 5:48:51 AM

Some Christian Anon

I'm pretty confident that god won't ask me to commit genocide. He did have a major policy change when Jesus came into the picture, after all.

So if a divine voice told me to commit genocide, I'd first check a psychiatrist to make sure I didn't go off the deep end. Then I'd assume demon.

9/12/2016 6:12:25 AM

Swede

Animals are real, gods are not. We hold animals to some standard; dogs who attack humans, for example, are usually not allowed to live. Even wild animals, like a wolf, boar or moose, who keep attacking humans are killed.

Lots of people have believed that God told them to commit murder, and have acted upon it. There is no evidence that any gods actually did speak to them, it's much more plausible that they were mentally ill at the time. Your mentality is therefore very dangerous, as you are predisposed to comply with the voices in your head.

Your mother would be arrested for murder if she did that, ya know.

9/12/2016 6:24:12 AM

Wanderer

"Since God isn't a human being, holding him to our standards is likewise pointless."

Well, there's the fact that God gives us moral standards that we are expected to follow faithfully (no pun intended). Giving somebody a set of rules to obey that you are going to ignore is a sure way to make sure they don't follow them either. Also, animals don't have the awareness to have ethical standards so that's not even an argument.


"After all, at one point the KKK, slavery, genocide and torture were all viewed as acceptable"

Other than slavery, not even.

The KKK? Even at the height of their power, which they achieved by lying about what they really were, they were tolerated only because of that power. They wear those sheets and hoods for a reason.

Genocide? Only to those committing it and to those who dislike or have a grudge against the people being butchered. The same with torture.

"So Like my Mother says :\"Son, I brought you into this world, don't think I won't take you out.\""

You realize that this implies that you would obey out of fear of your life and not because of your faith, right?

9/12/2016 7:16:37 AM

Anon-e-moose

"if God ordered me to commit genocide, I probably would. I would have to be reasonably assured that is was actually God. But if so convinced, I would have no moral problem with it. Like my Mother says :\"Son, I brought you into this world, don't think I won't take you out.\"







Thank you for proving that Lucifer is actually the good guy in all of this, Anna Diehl Mk. II.

9/12/2016 7:46:49 AM

rubber chicken

I'm fairly sure that we shot down the "I was only obeying orders!" defense a few years ago.

9/12/2016 8:45:48 AM

Kanna

Slavery, genocide, and torture ....I venture to say that at no time in history, ever, did the victims of these practices think "That's OK, it's just the morality of the day, and it's fine with god".

9/12/2016 9:11:33 AM

Azereaux

What the hell, man? Here's an answer for you: hold a being to the morals they espouse.

9/12/2016 9:58:10 AM

John

if God ordered me to commit genocide, I probably would. I would have to be reasonably assured that is was actually God.

Unfortunately, it's too easy to convince a person that God ordered them to do such things, especially when it's really what they wanted to do anyway. The 9/11 bombers were so sure that God wanted them to destroy the Twin Towers that they were willing to commit suicide.

9/12/2016 10:04:27 AM

freako104

Morality. This proves you don't need god to be moral nor need be moral to have god. You don't have morality

9/12/2016 11:00:03 AM

Demon Duck of Doom

The Nuremberg Defence doesn't work with God either.

9/12/2016 2:20:04 PM

Anon-e-moose

http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=319&Page=1#142838

@Cerebulon

"Rape me, my friend."

So I suppose in retrospect, if Cerebulon ordered Cerebulon to commit rape against himself, he certainly did.

I wonder why his last comment was eight years ago...?!

...oh, and this quote destroys the whole concept of 'We are all made in God's image'. Why?:



Because Dr. Hannibal Lecter's M.O. is 'God enjoys killing'.

At least the survivors of Flight 571 had a good excuse to stay 'Alive'.

9/12/2016 3:27:52 PM

Old Viking

We don't hold animals to human ethical standards.

That damned Donald Duck doesn't even wear pants!

9/12/2016 3:43:43 PM



You are a sick person. Worship one of good and just gods/elohim. Yes there are more then one true god in the bible, but the translators hid it to fit their idea of monotheism.

https://sites.google.com/site/yahwehelohiym/home

9/12/2016 3:47:58 PM

solomongrundy

KKK, slavery, genocide and torture were all viewed as acceptable

Someone else who thinks there's no world outside the USA?

9/12/2016 4:40:38 PM

the_ignored

Just like "Josef" and Jason Lisle. It's so depressing to see just how widespread this kind of "thinking" is.


9/12/2016 5:26:17 PM



Playing into your own mythology, how would you really know if the contact was God initiated and not "Satan-as-an-Angel-of-Light"?

Continuing in this thread, how would you feel if, after the genocide, the "voice" cracked up into laughter and told you "Thanks, that was hilarious. BTW I was Satan all along. You humans are SO gullible."

9/12/2016 11:08:44 PM

dionysus

How do you tell God and Satan apart? Moreover, how do you tell God apart from voices in your head? And yes, morality changes over time but the more we learn (especially if we learn about the people affected) the more things like genocide, slavery, rape, and murder sound like good ideas. genocide, slavery, etc. thrive in ignorance. Ignorance of the fact that your victims are human (which is why potential genocidal leaders have to dehumanize their prospective victims first), ignorance of the pain and suffering caused, not having to face the people your hurting and not having to see to looks on their faces as you kill/maim them.

See, we as a species KNOW it's wrong to kill and hurt the innocent but the sociopaths among us have no such issue and they spend their time coming up with justifications (nationalism, white supremacy, God-ordered genocide, etc.) to trick others into killing people. The Nazis knew most people couldn't directly kill other human beings and their families so they gave various members responsible for implementing the "final solution" a single task so they could rationalize it as "oh, I just brought them here" or "I just put them in the gas chamber, I didn't pull the lever" or "I was just following orders". God is your "I was just following orders".

9/13/2016 6:47:25 AM



"So I suppose in retrospect, if God ordered me to commit genocide, I probably would."

But you're human. You go by human morals ??

9/13/2016 9:53:59 AM

Newfaceofrev

First paragraph was completely fine, and I thought it might be another case of someone getting added here because of a personal argument.

... and then I read the rest of it.

9/13/2016 10:40:15 PM

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