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The maturity argument

Dennis Prager, a syndicated radio talk show host has addressed this “maturity argument” many times. Dr. Prager states things like “marriage breeds maturity” and “after marriage having children breeds even more maturity” and he is absolutely right.

In addition to the fact that marriage does mature people, and so does having children, he talks about the need for people to get married younger and have children younger as they used to in the pre-modern era.

I would add to what he has said that as parents in the 20th and 21st centuries we have messed up (myself include in some ways). Each generation of parents over the last century has grown softer and softer on our children.

We hear people say things like, “we have to let children be children”, which basically means that our children have little to no real life responsibility until they reach 18, besides keeping up with their schooling in most cases. Even then we extend the childhood years with college, where they can party and have more fun for about 4 years before they graduate at 22 and are forced for the first time in their life to take on the full responsibilities of being an adult.

In pre-modern times, the idea of a child hood experience with absolutely no responsibility was a very short period. By the time children were 6 or 7 they were being taught the realities of life.

Boys hunted with their dads at a very young age, and girls learned to cook and make clothing at a very young age. By the time most children reached the age of 10, they knew what a hard day’s work was, the boys knew about hunting, farming and fighting, and the girls knew about caring for infants (helping their mother, or cousins or aunts) and they had seen many births. These girls were excited about the day when they would have their first period, and they were excited about when they would be able to marry and have children (usually around 13 or 14).

biblicalgenderrole author, biblicalgenderroles.com 19 Comments [9/9/2016 6:08:55 PM]
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John

Barf

9/9/2016 6:37:16 PM

DB97531

Last sentance is bleerghh.

There is a reason most nations see teen parents as a negative thing, generally they and later society tends to foot the bill.

9/9/2016 6:55:14 PM

Darkevilme

people needed to join the workforce at 10 and get married at mid teens back in those days cause life expectancy averaged in their thirties.

Applying social models from that era makes as much sense as applying tactical models from that era.

Picture infantry on a modern battlefield forming a pike square.

9/9/2016 6:58:15 PM

Kanna

Boys learn the skills of system analysis or microbiology at their daddy's knee, while girls become investment bankers or chemical engineers because mommy teaches them, right? You do know that the skills of 1800 don't translate well into 2016, I trust.

9/9/2016 8:10:26 PM

Sasha

The girls had seen many births, and probably helped bury infants and mothers who didn't survive the experience.

9/9/2016 9:01:22 PM

The Neolithic Revolution Was A Mistake

As true as it is that biblicalgenderrole's idea is not feasible in today's broken society, that's hardly something to be blamed on the ideas, and has far more reason to complain about the industrial concept of a complicated society that's impossible to learn in five years. This is considering the fact that people now are less happy, less healthy, and their natural impulses are working against, rather than with, their lifestyles, which is obvious to anyone who has even briefly looked at just about anything. Not to mention most of the claims of modernists are myths: the average lifespan was lower before the paleolithic period, but that was because the harsh realities of real life were thrust on children more early, not because people died out in their thirties. Most people who lived past 20 lived into multiple hundreds of years, unlike nowadays where most people live past early childhood but are killed off by the destructive lazy lifestyle and toxic food in their seventies. The Bible was lying, though (so biblicalgenderrole is probably mislead on many, many things): people stopped living that long when they switched from a natural hunting style to one where they ate things they had raised themselves.

9/9/2016 9:46:32 PM

shy

Teen pregnancy 4 jebus

9/9/2016 10:19:27 PM

Skidie

In pre-modern era few children lived beyond 5 and people died at 30.

Yes we should let kids be kids at least till high school and I believe even then, not burden them with homework, additional classes and other crap, which they MIGHT need, if they do, they can learn these things later on, maybe not with as much efficency, but for fucks sake, we`re not golems.

One of the best if not THE best educational system in the world: Finland, no homework there, classes are shorter and kids have way more time to themselves. In effect their productivity went up, everyone`s happier and they started to actually like school since it`s not presented to them as a debilitating, life and time consuming chore.

I remember my school, conversely: Tons of homework, strict soulless program inducing classes till way after 4pm and my dearest parents trying to force on me all the extracurriculars they could think of... Ended up with me missing half of HS either saying fuck it and staying home, drifting around the premises with a smoke or simply paying a visit to our gang hideout for some early day brainmelters(a type of local rotgut, the name explains its effects best) and a possiblity to get into trouble with my buds.

9/9/2016 10:52:06 PM

PETF

Please even back then girl at 12 or 13 weren't happy to have a baby. They were probably force to stuck it up and deal with it.

9/9/2016 11:20:25 PM

Indicible

Advocating marriage of underage kids: put his arse behind bars. It's called inciting to a crime.

9/10/2016 1:48:23 AM

Uilleam

I wonder how long this guy would survive if he actually went back to the paleolithic era? Or even Victorian times?

9/10/2016 6:35:14 AM

CuriousAndMoreCurious

My wife knows how to farm and can dress a deer in just under an hour. I do the majority of cooking for the family and clean because I'm home earlier in the day than her. Our kids were raised on a sliding scale of maturity. As they got older they took on more responsibilities. We are prefectly happy. Screw you and your stereotypes.

9/10/2016 6:53:16 AM

SpukiKitty

Uh; Have you noticed that those standards were from pre-Industrial/pre-Information Age societies where many of the modern conveniences, gadgets, gizmos, innovations and knowledge didn't exist? Also; People back then had much shorter lifespans and most kids died young.

What's the point of enforcing standards that only applied to a long-ago, agrarian society to a modern era with high technology, a machine for everything, pre-packaged, prepared foods, retail stores, motor vehicles, planes, trains, motorboats, ocean liners, spacecraft, high living standards, long lifespans, many deadly diseases either curable, preventable, treatable or eradicated, better hygiene, etc?

Dude; Just admit what you REALLY want....a woman as your personal domestic & sexual slave and to bang young girls without social stigma or a trip to The Can.

9/10/2016 10:05:29 AM

Anon-e-moose

"Boys hunted with their dads at a very young age, and girls learned to cook and make clothing at a very young age."

Boudica.

NEXT!

@SpukiKitty

"Dude; Just admit what you REALLY want....a woman as your personal domestic & sexual slave and to bang young girls without social stigma or a trip to The Can."

He should take a trip to my country and ask Gary Glitter, Max Clifford & Rolf Harris about how his 'cause' is progressing.

9/10/2016 11:07:47 AM



And children died earlier and more often, remember?. And if those people marry earlier and have kids earlier fail to succeed in life, as statistics seem to show, don't say "they were too young to have children". Serious scientists have shown that Dennis Prager is bullshit. Who am I going to believe more?, a pedagogue, an economist or a radio speaker?

9/11/2016 8:03:41 AM

Swede

Women's bodies are not ready to give birth until around age 18 or so.

In pre-modern times, the average live-span was about 30 years, and a majority of children died before age 5. Now the life-span is close to 90, and child-mortality rates are close to zero in the Western world.

Have you had your first period yet, dearie? Oh, you're a man; that explains why you think periods are fun, and why you think women would be exited about giving birth.

The age of maturity is actually lower now than it has ever been, as girls get more food/nutrition early, and mature physically sooner. Girls having children around 13 or 14 still usually die from the ordeal, as their pelvises are not ready to bring forth a child yet.

Google "fistula hospital" if you want to know how "fun" it is to have a child at 13. If you can imagine it on your own, DON'T google it.

9/11/2016 8:49:36 AM

Musicalbookworm

Nope. Not even close.

9/12/2016 7:10:01 AM

Wanderer

Bad enough that you're trying to use "the old ways" as an argument, but you aren't even getting those old ways right. Sometimes I wish that Fantasy Island was real. We could ship these fools there and they'd learn their lesson.

9/12/2016 7:35:23 AM

NonProphet

I'm sorry, I have to laugh at Neolithic's claim that people lived hundreds of years in pre-industrial days. I guess all of history & science is just one big conspiracy, eh? And he's the only one in the whole world who knows The Truth(tm)?

Delusional, thy name is Luddite. Hypocrite Luddite, no less.

9/23/2016 9:23:22 PM

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