The "Stop Helping" Award

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MOUNT PLEASANT, Utah -- A Mt. Pleasant same-sex couple claims leaders of a congregation of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints harassed them after a series of strange encounters they said were unwanted.

The final straw for them was a letter the ward delivered to them, which the women found disturbing. Now, they're trying to understand what sparked the LDS Church to send it.

Leisha and Amanda LaCrone are married and raising five children. They each attended an LDS Church as kids, but haven't been a part of the church in more than a decade.

"The Church had sent her a letter saying that she was already excommunicated," Amanda explained, about a letter Leisha got from the LDS Church 15 years ago.

That's why Leisha was surprised when a hardware store employee reportedly approached her two separate times.

"He continued to tell us that there were some things that the Mormon Church needed to talk to us about," she recounted. She said she told the man, "We don't want to be bothered, we have no interest."

Then, they said, came a number of phone calls asking to meet with the bishop.

The two said they declined, and that's when members of the Church reportedly came to their home, with letters.

"I was pretty angry when I opened it, not understanding why they want us to go to this church court when we don't attend church," Leisha said.

The letter addressed to her stated a disciplinary council was being held for her.

"Because you are reported to have participated in conduct unbecoming a member of the Church," said Leisha, reading off the letter.

The conduct, they guess, is that they're a same-sex couple and are married. But the women don't understand: Why the letters, why a formal council, and, why now?

The LDS Church said in an email that disciplinary actions are a private matter they don't comment on.

According to a Mormon resource site, a disciplinary council can be requested if a person is still on church records. The purpose is to discuss sins with the person, pray, and figure out how to move forward.

The results can range from no action, to excommunication.

The couple said they aren't against the Church or the Mormon religion, but they don't agree with the letter or how the ward handled the situation.

"I want them out, I don't want anything to do with them," Leisha said. "I would just like for them to let us live in this society and raise our children, and leave us alone."

After receiving the letter, Leisha posted a photo on Facebook and it took off with comments and shares.

Many shared comments of support for the two, and distaste for the LDS Church's actions.

So much so, they said many people began calling the ward.

"We certainly did not want people to be harassed," Amanda said. "That was not our intentions, and we feel really bad."

While they said some have criticized them for their stance on the letter, they've also gotten messages of support from around the world.

A representative from the local PFLAG chapter said he plans to talk with the bishop about why the letter was sent, and if other same-sex couples will be issued similar letters.

Leisha and Amanda did not attend the disciplinary council, and have not heard from the LDS ward since.

Mormon Church of Mount Pleasant, FOX 13 26 Comments [3/3/2016 3:05:41 PM]
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Distind

Considering the "Stop helping" award on this one.

3/3/2016 3:05:38 PM

Ivurm

@Distind

One wonders if their goal was help. I think those hoary-handed Elders just wanted to see two lesbians that weren't made of pixels.

3/3/2016 3:14:40 PM

Old Viking

This is why the waste basket was invented.

3/3/2016 3:39:13 PM

Insult to Rocks

@Ivurm
Honestly, it's fairly likely that they do really think they're helping. These guys are Mormons. They place huge amounts of importance on missionary work, such that they induct people into the church without asking permission, often long after the people in question are dead. They are very serious about "saving" folks.

3/3/2016 3:57:00 PM

Anon-e-moose

And you wonder why so many are leaving the LDS...?

As for that couple, the best advice for them is to simply file that letter in the Round File. Or add it to the paper in the Recycling Bin. Take a photo of you doing so, then e-mail/Tweet*/Instagram/whatever it to the Mor(m)on Church of Mount Unpleasant.

@Distind

'Stop Helping' Award seconded.

*- If the Church of England/Westminster Abbey can be followed on Twitter...!

3/3/2016 4:46:33 PM

Thinking Allowed

Sounds like that particular ward didn't expect what they got in return.

3/3/2016 4:50:49 PM

freako104

And yet somehow it's gays harassing Christians

3/3/2016 5:38:52 PM

Kanna

There's a lawyer out there who is filing the appropriate paperwork to get the church to 1) take them off the rolls, and 2) stop bothering people who want to leave the church. There is no reason to harass people - that is NOT the way to persuade them to come back to the church. Apparently there are some slow learners in the LDS.

3/3/2016 8:28:48 PM

KittyKaboom

I'd just let them excommunicate me. Fuck 'em.

3/4/2016 6:11:00 AM

Doubting Thomas

Looks like the LSD church cares more about this "disciplinary hearing" than those women do. I'd have told them to go pound sand with very explicit details as to where exactly to place said letter.

This would be like if I received a letter from the local Catholic diocese threatening excommunication if I don't attend some meeting with them. I'd tell them to go right ahead and excommunicate me, and while they're at it to take my name off their membership list.

3/4/2016 6:19:10 AM

Kuno

Turn up at this “disciplinary council” with a video camera and ask those “elders” how they think they can discipline someone with the threat of excommunication who doesn’t even consider herself a member of the church. Should make for an amusing YouTube video.

3/4/2016 6:50:27 AM

Raspberry

The lawyer that Kanna is refering to is Mark Naugle who goes by the nick chubs_gato on Reddit and frequents r/exmormon. The free resignation process he provides is now automated at QuitMormon.com. Fill out a simple form and you're done.

A lot of people are correct in saying it's right to simply ignore the "church" over their self justified attempt to get former members to comply with their demands. But, unfortunately even with an attempt of a simple letter of resignation it doesn't stop the Bishops, Elders, and the like from showing up at your house, sending you mail, and interfering in your life to the point of nuisance. They'll ignore your letter and claim you have to meet locally with a Bishop to formalize it but that's bullshit. There is no legal reason that anyone has to jump through their hoops.

Going through Mark (again, for free, he won't even accept donations) gives you a one-stop legal out, it's on legal record, and if they contact you again or formally harass you they can be served a restraining order or even be sued. The "church" takes that pretty seriously, which is not a surprise as the "upper crust" is typically made up of lawyers.

3/4/2016 6:57:13 AM

Mister Spak

"That's why Leisha was surprised when a hardware store employee reportedly approached her two separate times. "

NO ONE EXPECTS THE MORMON INQUISITION!!!

3/4/2016 7:08:01 AM

Raspberry

@Mister Spak

Heh, yeah. If that was me I'd be on the phone with management, especially if it was a corporate chain store, and be chewing some ass and get that shit straightened right out.

3/4/2016 7:21:13 AM

Kuno

Re: Difficulties to officially quit the church:

There is a kinda ironic situation here in Germany for a while now. For those who don’t know, members of the two biggest churches (Roman-Catholic and Lutherans) legally have to pay church tax. This tax is collected from them by the government and it gets deducted directly from your wages. Sounds like a sweet deal for the churches, right?

But for a few decades now, German society gets less and less Christian. Now, in other countries former Christians may just stop going to church but are most likely still on the books, inflating the membership numbers. But here de-converts have an actual monetary incentive to actively and formally quit their membership! And you don’t have to hassle with attorneys or anything. You just go to your local town hall, fill out a form, pay a small administrative fee and you’re out.

(Apparently there was a time when the local priest or pastor paid you a visit to talk about your reasons for quitting. By the time I left, there must have been so many ex-members that they stopped doing that. It always sounded a little mafia-esque to me anyway…)

So the real effect of this “sweet deal” is that the churches in Germany are losing members like a sieve loses water. Both churches together had a net loss of about 6.5 million members from 1990 to 2013…

3/4/2016 7:23:56 AM

Azereaux

For once, I think we can just blame plain ol' bureaucracy and clerical errors. And an idiot that refuses to accept that they made a clerical error and feels the need to badger others to cover their mistake.

Still, this kind of harassment is ridiculous. And who has the kind of time to do this, really? Don't these people have lives?

3/4/2016 9:42:46 AM

Demon Duck of Doom

I third the "Stop Helping" Award.

3/4/2016 9:59:37 AM

nazani14

@Azereaux No, it's not a clerical error. LDS is like the Roach Motel, you check in, but you can't check out- until Bill Maher showed us how to unbaptise:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctm0lA6PCsA

3/4/2016 10:02:19 AM



Well, the point is, they just don't get it

3/4/2016 12:00:25 PM

Yossarian Lives

Preventing the harassment campaigns orchestrated by that religion would be anti-Mormon persecution.

3/4/2016 12:14:59 PM

Mathius_dragoon

Sounds like it might be bureaucratic negligence on the part of the church rather then outright malicious intent.

3/4/2016 1:03:02 PM

breakerslion

Dear Leisha and Amanda LaCrone,

We have been given the impression that you are no longer interested in being members of the Church of Latter Day Saints (Mormon). While it saddens us to hear this, we have forwarded your names to the Jehovah's Witnesses. We feel that they should have equal time to badger you as well.

If we are mistaken in the belief that you no longer have an interest in LDS, feel free to drop by any of our more overbearing edifices, and we will attempt to give you the shaming that we feel you deserve. If you are a masochist as well as a Lesbian, please ignore this offer as you are not supposed to enjoy it.

Yours,

Bishop Asshat Buttonhole Underwear

3/4/2016 1:35:13 PM

midnightcyn

I had a friend who had been brought up Mormon but fell away--well, sprinted away--later on. He was gay. The LDS demanded that he come to the main LDS center in his area to submit for some sort of "outreach". He kept saying "no", and they retaliated by going after his family members, removing privileges and "suggesting" they pressure him to submit. Ended up with the whole family leaving the church, with the father very publically telling the elders involved to "F" off.

3/4/2016 3:14:32 PM

Mayasmom

@midnightcyn

Good for them. They sound more like a cult than a legitimate church. What priviliges do they have to give?

3/4/2016 3:59:41 PM



But remember it is the poor persecuted Christians who are bullied by homosexuals

7/17/2017 8:44:45 AM

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