Quote# 113049

While more "progressive" voices cry "racism," the fact remains: there are several objective reasons why the West should give priority, if not exclusivity, to Christian refugees-and some of these are actually to the benefit of European host nations.

Consider:

Christians are true victims of persecution. From a humanitarian point of view-and humanitarianism is the chief reason being cited in accepting refugees-Christians should receive top priority simply because they are the most persecuted group in the Middle East-well before the Islamic State phenomenon came into being.

[...]

Conversely, Muslim refugees-as opposed to the many ISIS and other jihadi infiltrators posing as "refugees"-are not fleeing direct persecution, but chaos created by the violent and supremacist teachings of their own religion, Islam.

[...]

Unlike Muslims, or even Yazidis, Christians are easily assimilated in Western countries, due to their shared Christian heritage. As Slovakia, which prefers Christian refugees, correctly points out, Muslims would not fit in, including because there are no mosques in the Slavic nation.

[...]

Meanwhile, Muslims follow a completely different blueprint, the Koran-which condemns Christians by name, calls for constant war (jihad) against all non-Muslims, and advocates any number of distinctly anti-Western practices. Hence it is no surprise that many Muslim asylum seekers are anti-Western at heart, if not members of jihadi organizations.

Mideast Christians bring trustworthy language and cultural skills that are beneficial to the West. They understand the Middle Eastern-including Islamic-mindset and can help the West understand it. Moreover, unlike Muslims, Christians have no "conflicting loyalty" issues: Islamic law forbids Muslims from aiding "infidels" against fellow Muslims [...] Indeed, an entire book about how "double agent" Muslims have infiltrated every corner of the U.S. government exists. No such threat exists among Mideast Christians. They too render unto God what is God's and unto Caesar's what is Caesar's.

Raymond Ibrahim, Frontpage Mag 25 Comments [9/23/2015 3:16:30 AM]
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Wyzard

Why, Ray must be a superman - able to take large leaps of illogic on make believe stereotypes.

Christians are true victims of persecution. From a humanitarian point of view-and humanitarianism is the chief reason being cited in accepting refugees-Christians should receive top priority simply because they are the most persecuted group in the Middle East...

I think that gays in the ME are faring worse than xtians.

Conversely, Muslim refugees-as opposed to the many ISIS and other jihadi infiltrators posing as "refugees"

As opposed to those infiltrators saying that they are xtian? Is there a scientific test to determine if one is a xtian or not?

Unlike Muslims, or even Yazidis, Christians are easily assimilated in Western countries, due to their shared Christian heritage.

What shared heritage - belief in the same sky pixie?

...calls for constant war (jihad) against all non-Muslims, and advocates any number of distinctly anti-Western practices....

Oh, you mean just like in your bible. Gotcha.

They too render unto God what is God's and unto Caesar's what is Caesar's.

Too bad so many Western fundies don't follow this.

9/23/2015 3:48:25 AM

Skidie

Nooopee. If anything we should prioritize secular refugees, people who will have very little problem asimilating into our culture, abrahamic nutjobs, be they muslim or christian are not really welcome on the other hand.

9/23/2015 4:10:44 AM

Mister Spak

Christians are true victims of persecution."
Christians are always victims of persecution. Everybody is against them. Even when christians are shocking and aweing the hell out of a country because of imaginary nuclear bombs christians are being persecuted.

9/23/2015 4:16:26 AM



Because, you know, Muslims can't be composed of denominations and can't persecute one another

9/23/2015 4:22:34 AM

Doubting Thomas

Christians should receive top priority simply because they are the most persecuted group in the Middle East

Not to mention in the United States, too, what with the government forcing them to get gay married and throwing them in jail if they don't.

9/23/2015 6:09:48 AM

Nemo

Raymond, you know Muslims kill atheists too, right? The most powerful voices against Islam are all Middle Eastern atheists.

9/23/2015 6:27:41 AM

Azereaux

Because helping those in need only applies when they agree with you, right? If only I could find that one image with the Jesus answering this particular line of thought...*

People lose everything, and you're willing to tell them to fuck off because they don't look like you, agree with you, or share your culture? Sure sounds like bigotry to me.


*

Jesus: (Something about helping all others)
Voice in the Crowd: But Jesus, what if they're Muslim?
(beat)
Jesus: Ok, I'm going to start over. Tell me where I lost you.

9/23/2015 6:31:45 AM

Morningstar

Uh-huh. So where in the Bible does it say that Christians must be sophistic to the point of thinking the universe is all about them?

9/23/2015 6:40:37 AM

creativerealms

Another Christian who never read the bible let alone the Koran.

9/23/2015 8:05:45 AM

nazani14

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I haven't heard much about the Saudis and other oil-rich Muslim nations like Brunei offering much help or refuge to any Muslim victims or refugees. Why wouldn't they want to spare all Muslim refugees the ignominy of taking handouts from Christians or living among them?

9/23/2015 8:38:54 AM

Ebon

calls for constant war (jihad) against all non-Muslims,

And thus, you prove that you have no idea what Islam is or teaches, you just parrot the talking points.

9/23/2015 9:01:09 AM



Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve. --Koran

Never will succeed such a nation as makes a woman their ruler.
--Moohamad

9/23/2015 9:27:18 AM

Kanna

Just as very few Christians follow all the stuff in the bible (not a lot of public stonings in the US lately, just mostly word-bombs), there are actually Muslims out there who have NOT sworn to behead every Christian within reach. Just sayin'.

9/23/2015 9:40:21 AM

Knowlwdge_Is_Violence

Your family came from there too, asshole.

9/23/2015 9:51:08 AM



@Kanna

Very few KKK members hang people from trees anymore, so maybe you should embrace all the poor and disciminated Klansmen. Or at least the moderates among them.

9/23/2015 9:57:01 AM

TimeToTurn

Conversely, Muslim refugees-as opposed to the many ISIS and other jihadi infiltrators posing as "refugees"-are not fleeing direct persecution, but chaos created by the violent and supremacist teachings of their own religion, Islam.

How does that make them less worthy of receiving help, when they need help too? What would Jesus say about this?

Moreover, unlike Muslims, Christians have no "conflicting loyalty" issues

Lies, do you know who the Coptic Pope is? The various Patriarchs of the Oriental Orthodox Churches? Since you're recycling what looks like either an anti-Catholic or anti-Freemason argument, you know that by that logic, most Middle Eastern Christians are loyal to those guys and those churches above America/Europe/wherever.

In theory.

Indeed, an entire book about how "double agent" Muslims have infiltrated every corner of the U.S. government exists

Sounds completely made up and bullshit. At least we found out about McCarthyism there actually were a few commies in the government.

Besides, who is this "ruling body" of Muslims? It isn't ISIS, because even other fundie Muslims hate them. It isn't Saudi Arabia or Iran. It certainly isn't the fucking Muslim Brotherhood.

I think we need to term this hysteria over Islam taking over America the "green scare", because all I see in the anti-Islam arguments is varying proportions of the same arguments they made against communists in the 50s and 60s and the same arguments they made against Jews in the pre-World War II era.

@1862192

Nice try, "moderate" and "Klansman" are mutually exclusive, unlike "moderate" and "Muslim".

Catholicism is anti-gay marriage, anti-abortion, and generally conservative, according to their interpretation of the Bible and church law, but not all Catholics are conservative nutjobs. Why can't Muslims break a few rules in their religion and holy book too?

9/23/2015 10:34:54 AM

NeoMatrix

@TimeToTurn

"Moderate Muslim" is actually an oxymoron, along with "Generous Kind Christian" and "pacifist Jew".

All three of them are terrible.

9/23/2015 10:47:03 AM

freako104

So fuck nonChristians

9/23/2015 10:53:03 AM

Piling On

Yazidis are probably more persecuted than Christians, because in Muslim tradition they don't even have the protection of being "people of the book," unlike Christians.

9/23/2015 12:39:22 PM

Old Viking

In fundy theology this is called "preferential charity."

9/23/2015 2:26:03 PM

Gearhead mk2

@NeoMatrix: Shut the fuck up you bigoted shitstain.

9/23/2015 2:31:33 PM

Anon-e-moose

ISIS murder those who aren't as hyper-Islameist as they are. Including other Muslims.

Which is precisely why we're seeing those scenes in Hungary on the news. And not in, say... Kansas. NEXT!

9/23/2015 4:37:44 PM

NonProphet

@NeoMatrix: Oh, you mean like "non-racist white person," "healthy American," and "feminist male"? See, I can throw around ignorant & easily-debunked stereotypes, too.
Go back to Stormfront.

9/23/2015 8:15:19 PM

The Cunning Linguist

@TimeToTurn

I just have to thank you for mentioning the Coptic Pope in your post. Too often it seems that the Copts are forgotten when the different flavors of Christianity are talked about. And when someone does remember the Coptic Church, it's almost a given that they don't mention that they really do have their own Pope, whose seat is in Alexandria.

9/24/2015 3:24:42 AM

Goomy pls

Muslims are just as endangered by their governments as are Christians in the same countries. Let both in. It's a humanitarian issue, not a religious one.

9/25/2015 12:20:52 AM

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