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Islam allegedly forbids Muslims from playing musical instruments like guitar, piano or trumpets as they go against the hadiths, a religious scholar said today.

In his paper on Islam and entertainment presented at a national forum here, Abdul Raof Nurin said the Shafie stream of Islam only allows Muslims to listen to music that touches on love for the religion, and urged those who want to play musical instruments to preferably stick to the gong or kompang.

He added that the Shafie school, however, will make an exception for the "gabus", a stringed instrument similar to the guitar, only if they are played according to Islamic laws.

"To listen to music that has nothing to do with religion that includes instruments that is prohibited in Islam, coupled with concerts that allow mixed socialisation, this distracts you from praying.

"Majority of ulama forbid the use of musical instruments except for those drummed like the kompang, percussions even those with bells," he said.

The forum was organised by the Malaysian Muslim Consumer Group (PPIM) and the Human Development and Investigation Bureau.

Professor at the National Art and Heritage Academy (Aswara) Datuk Baharudin Ahmad, however, said the instruments alone are not “haram” or forbidden, but the sounds they make are, since they are often used to play music that encourages immoral activities like free mingling of the genders.

"Instruments like the trumpet, the trumpet is not a problem, the sound that comes out of it [is]," Baharudin told the forum.

Both the scholars in their presentations said entertainment in Malaysia is too influenced by the West, which often insert messages of total freedom and blind consumerism.

As example, Abdul Raof cited the many singing competitions, which he said provided for lucrative awards.

He said such events inculcate materialism among the young.

"Entertainment today is about ringgit and materialism. That is why today we see humans racing to elevate their economic status, add more materials and collect more money".

The Muslim religious scholar added the high suicide rates in the west proved the detriments of such lifestyle.

"We just look at the experiences of those who have gone through this. In the US and other rich countries many of those with wealth, stature, smart have committed suicide," he added.

Baharuddin on the other hand said materialistic entertainment was so ingrained in today's society that households spend a huge chunk of their salaries on entertainment like football jerseys and branded clothings.

"Such indulgence have made household spending imbalanced," he said.

Baharuddin said much of the blame goes to "low quality" urbanisation, and urged the government to help promote a more "traditional life".

Hardline Islamic groups have long called for Putrajaya to rein in its entertainment industry, claiming it was too western-centric.

However, other civil rights advocates said such demands underscored the creeping Islamisation in Malaysia and has tarnished its moderate image, affecting investments and driving the country's young away.

Abdul Raof Nurin and Baharuddin Ahmad, The Malay Mail Online 23 Comments [8/24/2015 3:24:41 AM]
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Fun dies.

8/24/2015 4:22:26 AM

Kuno


8/24/2015 4:23:56 AM

Mister Spak

"That is why today we see humans racing to elevate their economic status, add more materials and collect more money"."

This is why people are risking their lives and breaking laws to leave muslim countries and go to infidelland.

8/24/2015 4:43:36 AM

Meishayuri

"Traditional Life"=boring, no fun, no enjoyment, no smiling allowed.

8/24/2015 5:06:36 AM

Malingspann

Abdul Raof Nurin: "Do you begin to see, then, what kind of world we are creating? It is the exact opposite of the stupid hedonistic Utopias that the old reformers imagined. A world of fear and treachery is torment, a world of trampling and being trampled upon, a world which will grow not less but MORE merciless as it refines itself. Progress in our world will be progress towards more pain."

Baharuddin Ahmad: "The old civilizations claimed that they were founded on love or justice. Ours is founded upon hatred. In our world there will be no emotions except fear, rage, triumph, and self-abasement. Everything else we shall destroy – everything. There will be no laughter, except the laugh of triumph over a defeated enemy. There will be no art, no literature, no science. When we are omnipotent we shall have no more need of science. There will be no distinction between beauty and ugliness. There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed."

8/24/2015 5:46:29 AM

Doubting Thomas

Fundamentalist religion... taking the fun out of everything since the beginning of recorded history.

8/24/2015 6:26:18 AM

Insult to Rocks

So how long till they ban dancing?
Footloose 2:Islamic Boogaloo

8/24/2015 8:21:22 AM

TimeToTurn

Good thing the vast majority of Muslims throughout history haven't given a shit about what the hadith says, especially some random guy with an Islamic judge title attached to his name, has to say about it. Otherwise Persian and Indian classical music would've died with the Arab conquests, and I wouldn't be able to look up and download hundreds of cool ethnographic and otherwise interesting albums full of oud music and numerous other forms of Arab folk music, much of which has those devilish instruments in it.

The Muslim religious scholar added the high suicide rates in the west proved the detriments of such lifestyle.

No, that's just an argument against Russian culture.

8/24/2015 9:18:19 AM

The Crimson Ghost

So how do they feel about blistering guitar solos?

8/24/2015 11:08:15 AM

Yuu

@Insult to Rocks

Does Kevin Bacon come back for this one or...?

8/24/2015 11:49:57 AM

Kanna

Well c'mon now, spending one's life policing people to make sure they don't have any unauthorized fun - THAT can seriously eat up your praying time too!

8/24/2015 12:06:53 PM

Mister Spak

@Yuu

Kevin Bacon *snicker*



8/24/2015 1:06:39 PM

Old Viking

There is still a raging controversy over use of the comb and tissue paper

8/24/2015 6:14:03 PM

SpukiKitty

I hope the majority of Malays are thumbing their noses at this clown.

If I were a Muslim, I'd reject the Hadiths. They're much more trouble than they're worth.

I guess that's what the Shia do.

I think Sufis are cool.

That said, Islam does nothing for me, personally. I'm more into a Pagan & Vedic mix. I'm a ShaktaPagan!

8/24/2015 9:06:36 PM

Yossarian Lives

It's true that a musical instrument can attract members of the opposite sex, which may be a positive for the musician, but to the overgrown children in Islam it creates a fear about the spread of the mythical cooties disease.

""We just look at the experiences of those who have gone through this. In the US and other rich countries many of those with wealth, stature, smart have committed suicide,"

The culture of music is not the reason for this; you're just using it as propaganda to remove all aspects of culture as means of control. I'd be willing to bet that the actual suicide rates in Malaysia would be higher than the stats your produce, as it's not something that's out in the open.

8/25/2015 3:10:01 AM

Cloning Blues

Talk about a "no fun" guy.

8/25/2015 7:25:40 PM



Wow this guy must hate Nadia Ali and Aly and Fila with all that haram EDM and trance they get up to all that unholy doof-doofing. And then still gender mixing at Ultra and in Ibiza! Oh and all the immodest, revealing clothes Nadia Ali wears must send him into fits of apoplexy, or....you know....whatever else makes you spasm a little :P

8/25/2015 10:43:33 PM

Goomy pls

Crazed extremism is nothing new for Malaysia. We've collected a lot of quotes where Malaysian officials display callous disregard for ethnic Chinese and try to amp up their fundie credentials.

9/7/2015 12:15:49 PM

Philbert McAdamia

Sounds like almost as much fun as North Korea.
Imagine being Muslim and wanting to make your life better
by having to move to Jesusland.

9/7/2015 9:06:45 PM

KingOfRhye

"He added that the Shafie school, however, will make an exception for the "gabus", a stringed instrument similar to the guitar, only if they are played according to Islamic laws. "

Huh? How do you play an instrument according to religious laws?

9/7/2015 9:20:20 PM

Kuno

@KingOfRhye

Huh? How do you play an instrument according to religious laws?

You only play songs Abdul Raof Nurin likes.

9/7/2015 11:15:43 PM

Crimson Lizard

Two-thirds of your women are clinically depressed (gee, I wonder why) and you have the sheer gall to criticize the West over its suicide rates?

Note that was "its", not "it's". The random apostrophe plague even infests this site.

11/25/2015 9:17:10 AM

Anon-e-moose

...meanwhile, Judaism has Marty Friedman.

There are Jews in Japan too; even pre-WWII.

They know a good thing when they see it, considering how he provided the rockin' guitar licks for the themes for "Sailor Moon Crystal" and "Moretsu Pirates", and he's as Western as they come.

Japan values it's tourist trade as well. So many Westerners.

Entertainment is a big part of that.

Marty's still alive, so your argument is invalid.

11/25/2015 3:52:13 PM

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