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That is a good point. When mankind was cursed, the man's curse was that the ground would not just produce for him, he'd have to work his tail off to make a living. The woman's curse was painful childbirth. People can't reverse or dodge either curse, you can't fix what God broke. Furthermore, God won't take that away until the new heaven and the new earth (Rev 22:3). Therefore, when a woman chooses a career, she is taking on the man's curse as well as the one she is stuck with. I don't know why people would choose two curses instead of only one.

twistedsketch, Christian Forums 31 Comments [4/11/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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#26762
shell

Except that I enjoy my chosen career. And I had an epidural.

But other than that--totally right.

4/11/2006 9:19:41 PM

#26767
JustinGG

Why did I choose the first curse? I'm quitting my job right now, and if any of you Christians have a backbone, you'll do it too!

4/11/2006 9:23:03 PM

#26774
Beckling

If I don't have a child, I escape my womanly-destined curse. If so, this God is ineffective at dishing out curses.

4/11/2006 9:32:34 PM

#26776
Papabear

It's the 21st century and these people are still talking about curses.

4/11/2006 9:36:12 PM

#26780
Hadanelith

You make me sad.

4/11/2006 9:41:26 PM

#26786
David D.G.

I don't suppose you've noticed that not every man works on a farm, on a ranch, or even in a garden? Plenty of men manage to support themselves by alternate means nowadays -- heck, many of them are just independently wealthy by now and don't have to work at anything at all if they don't want to.

And, yes, women have found alternatives to \"inescapable\" extreme pain of childbirth: epidurals, local anaesthetic and Caesarian, adoption, or even choosing not to have children at all.

And, yes, it is utterly ludicrous to have to explain to people in the freakin' 21st century that curses are bogus. At this rate, we'll be into the 22nd century before they figure out that it's a good idea to wash the hands before you perform surgery, or that the planets are unconnected with individual human lives.


~David D.G.

4/11/2006 9:47:39 PM

#26787
TDR

What Shell said.

What David said.

That's my opinion.

4/11/2006 9:49:30 PM

#26798
g-21-lto

Having the benefits of a career and an income of your own is a \"curse\"?

4/11/2006 10:37:17 PM

#26828
Papabear

I'd like to point out to those who believe in God's curses that thorns and thistles are supposedly a curse from God. Now I just love artichokes and artichokes are a thistle. What kind of a boneheaded god would curse me with something I enjoy?

4/12/2006 1:05:41 AM

#26829
Julian

twisted - it's called multitasking - something that, no doubt, you are incapable of.

...And to quote Charlotte Whitton.
\"Whatever women do, they must do twice as well as men to be thought half as good.

Luckily this is not difficult.\"

4/12/2006 1:10:16 AM

#26838
Nic

\"You can't fix what God broke\".
Speak for yourself, bucko....nobody \"broke\" me!

4/12/2006 1:55:29 AM

#26847
mad dog

Martha Stewart must feel incredibly cursed.

4/12/2006 2:18:07 AM

#26894
NotMe

I wonder how some of them manage to stay alive. All those curses, eternal suffering and add a couple dozen OT laws you are not keeping would (should) make them chronicly depressed.

4/12/2006 6:47:20 AM

#26946
Pike

Well, let's see... That's going to be a curse on you, and a curse on you, and oooh, that's going to be TWO curses on you!!!

4/12/2006 3:17:35 PM

#26969
Berny

These are people who believe in a very physical devil capable of negatively influencing the world. They would even state that our disbelief is due to his activities. What sad pathetic little lives they lead.

4/12/2006 5:27:00 PM

#27154
Aesmael

Mistaken on both counts.

\"Women are cursed, and men are the proof.\"
Rosanne Barr

\"Work is the curse of the drinking classes.\"
Oscar Wilde

4/13/2006 4:02:20 AM

#27161
Julian

Pike! - The mummy in the sarcophaegus in Larson's the Far Side?

Aesmael. Nice quotes. Haven't heard the Oscar Wilde one in ages. Spin on \"Drink is the curse of the working classes\", as everyone has heard of, \"Drunk as a Lord\".

4/13/2006 4:44:42 AM

#27701
Maronan

Really, twistedsketch? I don't know about you, but I still have my tail. Of course, I don't work. I have lionesses to do that for me. In fact, I should have you know that...

(Maronan's creator is dragged into ambulence and taken to the Royal Hospital for Overacting, Unpublished Characters Ward.)

(Maronan's creator was actually mutating his own creation in this post. The Maronan character does, in fact, work.)

(Maronan's creator has made the mistake of assuming that anyone on FSTDT cares about the creations of a justly underrated writer.)

4/15/2006 7:28:35 PM

#28139
bria

i curse you with stupidity! oh too late God did it for me

4/17/2006 6:00:13 PM

#69374
Matilde

Let me tell you that I don´t see many women or men with a plough and in the land. Besides, if a man claims total ownership over the kids and tries to impose his views is taking two courses, isn´t it?

8/27/2006 10:32:50 PM

#269821
Professor M

Some women are able to give birth with little to no pain. Are these women, then, free from original sin?

Masanobu Fukuoka has developed a non-mechanized farming method which radically reduces the amount of labor to produce food -- by interfering as little as possible so that the ground can "just produce." (He's been known to say that the biggest job on his farm is writing poetry.) Is Mr. Fukuoka free from original sin?

(Somehow I doubt the fundies would agree -- painful childbirth and hard work to produce food are "proof" of original sin, but when people aren't stuck with them it always seems to be an "evasion" of "just punishment." For centuries, Christian doctrine -- both Catholic and Protestant -- held that shame at one's nudity was inherent in humans, as a result of original sin. This was supported by a literal reading of Genesis. However, when encountering cultures <i>without</i> a nudity taboo, was the same logic followed, leading to a conclusion that these people were free of original sin? Of course not! They were "obviously" under the control of Satan and had to be <i>taught</i> the "inherent" sense of shame.)

7/25/2007 4:21:30 PM

#269836
Tempus

God hates anesthetics?

7/25/2007 4:53:27 PM

#269839
Puck

It's wonderful how the Enlightenment succeeded in defeating these curses.

7/25/2007 5:10:27 PM

#269886
Moondog

I see, twistedsketch, that the Renaissance was something that just happend to other people, wasn't it?

7/25/2007 11:00:56 PM

#269911
SophieEleven

as has been mentioned, not all women have "extreme pain" in childbirth. Or any true pain at all. My four natural births were barely uncomfortable, and actually fun! Bringing a child into the world is very empowering and enjoyable IMO. After my first baby (when I discovered that I had nothing to be afraid of) I actually looked forward to the birth during all my pregnancies :) Like Papabear said, "what kind of boneheaded God would curse me with something I enjoy"?

If God meant for childbirth to be a curse on me, he failed miserably. Just like he failed all the other women who are naturally pain-free, who use pain management, or who have c-sections.

Maybe eventually the fundies will realise that this "curse" was just a primitive peoples' way of explaning the nature of childbirth. They couldn't understand it from a medical perspective, so they made up a story about it being a punishment from God.

Someone drag these fools into the 21st century, PLEASE!

7/26/2007 2:41:53 AM
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