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Contrary to popular misconception, Islam does not mean peace but rather means submission to the commands of Allah alone. Therefore, Muslims do not believe in the concept of freedom of expression, as their speech and actions are determined by divine revelation and not based on people's desires.

Although Muslims may not agree about the idea of freedom of expression, even non-Muslims who espouse it say it comes with responsibilities. In an increasingly unstable and insecure world, the potential consequences of insulting the Messenger Muhammad are known to Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

Muslims consider the honor of the Prophet Muhammad to be dearer to them than that of their parents or even themselves. To defend it is considered to be an obligation upon them. The strict punishment if found guilty of this crime under sharia (Islamic law) is capital punishment implementable by an Islamic State. This is because the Messenger Muhammad said, "Whoever insults a Prophet kill him."

However, because the honor of the Prophet is something which all Muslims want to defend, many will take the law into their own hands, as we often see.

Within liberal democracies, freedom of expression has curtailments, such as laws against incitement and hatred.

The truth is that Western governments are content to sacrifice liberties and freedoms when being complicit to torture and rendition — or when restricting the freedom of movement of Muslims, under the guise of protecting national security.

So why in this case did the French government allow the magazine Charlie Hebdo to continue to provoke Muslims, thereby placing the sanctity of its citizens at risk?

It is time that the sanctity of a Prophet revered by up to one-quarter of the world's population was protected.

Anjem Choudary, USA Today 41 Comments [1/12/2015 3:29:58 AM]
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anothga

So, in a nutshell, we are supposed to shut the fuck up because some people can't take a joke or some criticism and are ordered to kill anyone who made that joke or critized them? Excuse me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that's how free speech works.

1/12/2015 4:58:39 AM

Mithras

Oh, Andy Choudary is back?

1/12/2015 5:10:27 AM

JeanP

If you're so opposed to free speech then you would not see any issue with you being jailed for sedition and criminal syndicalism.

And, apart from wanting "balance", why did the USA Today accepted to publish this article?

1/12/2015 5:23:26 AM

Mister Spak

Contrary to popular misconception, Jesus is not the prince of peace but rather commands obedience to the commands of Jehovah alone Therefore, Christians do not believe in the concept of freedom of expression, as their speech and actions are determined by divine revelation and not based on people's desires.

It is time that the sanctity of the real God revered by up to one-quarter of the world's population was protected.

1/12/2015 5:35:41 AM

commonbloodysense


"So why in this case did the French government allow the magazine Charlie Hebdo to continue to provoke Muslims, thereby placing the sanctity of its citizens at risk?"

Your solution to muslims threatening freedom of speech is to ban it for them?

1/12/2015 5:49:27 AM

whatever

It took Anjy a while to pipe up this time. And we haven't heard from Ayman Al Zawahiri for a while either.

1/12/2015 6:03:15 AM

John_in_Oz

Protect his sanctity, because Mohammed becomes less holy each time he's cartooned? How does that work?

1/12/2015 6:28:07 AM

Sangfroid

Interesting, albeit stupid point. So, Charlie Hebdo "provoked" the violence against them and the French government should have done "something." Well, the last time I was in Paris, I saw the most famous painting in the world, the Mona Lisa. It features, front and center, the face of a woman,bare to the world. According to many on the more extreme edges of Islam, this is an affront to Allah. According to your way of thinking, it would be alright for ISIS to firebomb the Louvre. Right?

Yes, and three million French people marched through Paris yesterday to say you're full of shit.

1/12/2015 6:33:13 AM

Doubting Thomas

How is this any different at all from Christians and how they feel about Jesus? Allow Muslims to have special protections and then Christians will want them too. Next thing you know, people will be thrown in jail for disagreeing with any religion.

1/12/2015 7:14:42 AM

D Laurier

Charlie Hebdo is a hate mongering publication that deliberately targets the weak and powerless. Which includes muslims.
That said, Fight fire with fire. If the few surviving muslim cartoonists were to publish counter cartoons attacking the Hebdo gang, they would gain recognition and respect.
As it is they just look foolish and weak.

1/12/2015 7:29:01 AM

emau99

Well, my freedom of expression is dearer to me than the honor of your prophet Muhammad. Does that mean I get to walk into the office a Muslim publication and murder a dozen defenseless people in cold blood?

No?

I thought not. Now go away.

1/12/2015 7:33:13 AM

Pip

Fuck the prophet!

1/12/2015 7:51:55 AM



North Koreans revere their "Dear Leader", but that doesn't mean we don't know better, or that we have to revere him, too. Kinda the same principle with regard to a guy who advocated rape and murder, and screwed a 9 year old girl.

1/12/2015 8:06:21 AM

SpukiKitty

I'd love to protest all this by drawing and posting a cartoon of Mohammed kicking the crap out of an Islamofascist goon.

Certainly a different approach to this "Mohammed Cartoon" stuff.

1/12/2015 8:06:41 AM

Mister Spak

@Pip

"Fuck the prophet!"

No, draw his picture.That gets their attention.

1/12/2015 8:07:48 AM

Malingspann

""Fuck the prophet!"

No, draw his picture.That gets their attention."

A picture of someone fucking the prophet.

1/12/2015 8:26:51 AM



this differs from christianity how ?

1/12/2015 8:39:32 AM

Goomy pls

It is time that the bodily integrity of magazine editors be respected.

@Malingspann

Fuck a picture of someone fucking the prophet.

1/12/2015 8:56:34 AM

Anon-e-moose

Dave Allen.

If you'd ever watched his TV series "Dave Allen At Large" in the 1970s, you wouldn't imagine how he savagely tore apart Christianity, especially Irish Catholicism; even the Church of England wasn't immune from his biting satire, neither.

...yet he died of natural causes here in the UK, and not due to terrorism.

And so to this day, with we Brits' inherent cynicism & ability to question everything; the establishment, media, and of course religion; as comedian Richard Herring demonstrates here in this scene a few years ago:



I guess how that photo was taken proves our point, post-Charlie Hebdo: God can be - and is - mocked.

...nope not seeing this 'God' appearing here in person right now - at the House of Lords - to make a Federal case out of it.

What the fuck are you fundies personally gonna do about it, and not risk right-wing Fundamentalist Christainity being equated with Al-Qaeda/ISIS?

Question (and the $64 trillion one): do you know what Mohammad looked like...?

1/12/2015 9:27:30 AM

Swede

Christianity also has an element of submission to the commands of God alone. The Bible has nothing on freedom of expression, either.

They were allowed to continue to use their free speech, because to many westerners, human rights are dearer to us than almost anything, and definitely dearer than the honor of any prophets. To defend it is considered to be an obligation upon us.
Besides, the attack completely missed it's purpose, if it was to remove the offending pictures from the public eye. Now, hundreds of millions have seen them, while they didn't even know the magazine existed a week ago.

Why should the sanctity of one single man, who is dead and can't feel anything, be more revered than the sanctity of humans that are alive and feeling right now?

1/12/2015 9:48:49 AM

Professor von SCIENCE!!!

Islam; a position so weak that any joke or criticism could send it toppling down to the ground like a ton of bricks.

1/12/2015 11:01:09 AM

Martha Jones

Oh, it's this guy. I'm not gonna waste my funny on this one.

1/12/2015 12:09:29 PM

nazani14

Muslim version of 'our god is all-powerful, omniscient, and the creator of everything, but needs mere humans to protect his feelings and his clerical staff.'

1/12/2015 12:12:12 PM

not enough facepalms in the world

Nobody gets shot when people make fun of Jesus, "crischuns r just as bad" commenters.

1/12/2015 12:23:17 PM

freako104

Sounds a lot like Christian fundamentalism

1/12/2015 1:11:07 PM

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