Quote# 102262

“Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism. They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there.”
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“This is not a war against terror, and not a war against extremists, and not even a war against the Palestinian Authority. The reality is that this is a war between two people. Who is the enemy? The Palestinian people. Why? Ask them, they started it.”

Ayelet Shaked , The Independent 67 Comments [7/24/2014 3:26:06 AM]
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Goomy pls

Is this pro-Palestine or anti-Palestine? I don't geddit.

7/24/2014 3:40:06 AM

anothga

@Goomy pls
Anti-Palestine, I'd say.

7/24/2014 3:42:07 AM

Mister Spak

Their answer is, you drove my great grandfather off his land, and I want it back.

7/24/2014 4:08:03 AM

dionysus

Genocide: the madman's final solution to any dispute. To me it seems like it isn't the average Israeli or Palestinian that's responsible for all the bloodshed, it's psychos like you who keep demonizing the other side and pushing the "kill 'em all" message.

7/24/2014 5:10:49 AM

Mudak

First, are you really using "he started it" as a justification for your disproportionate response to Palestinian actions towards Israel? Both sides in this dispute can legitimately point to the other and say "they started it". Never mind that "it" was nearly 70 years ago, so the youngest people against whom you could legitimately hold a grudge by those criteria are probably close to 90 now if they're even still alive. This isn't a schoolyard fight here.

I get it. I understand and respect how Israel has the right to defend herself. But when both sides have longstanding policies that clearly antagonize the other, you get the current situation.

I'm not just calling out Israel here. The Palestinians do deserve some blame here too. But both sides should cut it out. You're both fighting to the death over what happens after you die. And you both look ridiculous in the process.

7/24/2014 5:24:45 AM

Doubting Thomas

Typical "not one of them is innocent" war mongering.

7/24/2014 5:35:31 AM

Qazamir McSmarty Britches

This is not a war against terror, and not a war against extremists

You're right... It's ethnic cleansing instead.

they started it.

Let's say that's true, that they are totally responsible for starting it. Why not be the ones to end it? Why do you want to continue a decades old grudge and not have peace?

And... "ending it" does not mean "Kill them all", btw.


7/24/2014 6:53:45 AM

CDS

Kind of scarey when two groups of people with access to serious weaponry act like misbehaving children. This conflict is centuries old and only continues because the thought that because his ancestor wronged my ancestor so I must blow myself up/chunk a rock at a soldier/be used as a human shield/destroy everything that anyone who shares an ethnicity with him has in retribution. One does wonder if at the end of this, whether the people who started the current flame up will ever be caught.

7/24/2014 7:33:27 AM

Insult to Rocks

You know, you almost had a point, specifically that terrorists and extremist groups only exist because most normal, moderate people aren't willing to stand up to them.

Then you suggested killing all of them. It's almost if fundies have this sixth sense that tells them when they are having a mildly good idea, so they can then snuff it out as quickly as they can.

7/24/2014 7:52:36 AM

Indicible

"Who is the enemy? The Palestinian people. Why? Ask them, they started it."

Now, that is debatable.
In any case, we need to get rid of nuts on both sides if we want to have peace. And somebody who declares war on an entire people is, in my book, nuts.

7/24/2014 7:56:02 AM

Hasan Prishtina

This is a war between two people. Who is the enemy? The Catholic Protestant First American Amerindian Turkish Armenian German French British Russian Japanese Basque Catalan Jewish Soviet Crimean Tatar American Arab Black Chinese Irish Vietnamese Cambodian Tutsi Hutu Croat Bosnian Serb Albanian Kurdish Saharawi Darfuri Muslim Chechen Israeli Palestinian people. Extend ad nauseam...

7/24/2014 8:46:05 AM

nazani14

Make the British take back the whole area.

7/24/2014 9:21:32 AM


7/24/2014 9:26:33 AM

freako104

They started it but you did not have to continye nor escalate

7/24/2014 10:11:19 AM

Ludd

Is it even necessary to quote politicians on either side in this conflict? If I were all powerful I'd kidnap all of the teenagers from both sides, put them all on a desert island well stocked with alcohol and supplies and bam - instant world peace 9 months later.

7/24/2014 10:40:52 AM

Malingspann

"Who is the enemy?"

YEEEEEEAAHH!!

7/24/2014 11:19:57 AM

Jonathon

The question isn't who started it. The question is now who is going to finish it and are they willing to be adults about it?

7/24/2014 11:25:23 AM

Dr. Gus

I don't really think "they started it", since the Palestinians (arab jews, christians and muslims)were the ones already living there before Israel was created by the UN in 1948. The zionists then dedicated themselves to invading, colonizing and killing/terrorizing everyone who opposed, backed by a fascist-militaristic state and it's allies. The works by Miko Peled could be enlightening to you if you have some doubts and want to look at things differently from the mainstream media.

7/24/2014 11:34:57 AM

Sasha

Calling your enemy "snakes" indicates a complete lack of humanity.

7/24/2014 12:07:30 PM

Danarth

Aw, isn't that lovely, trying to justify Genocide.

Prick.

7/24/2014 12:11:14 PM

Skyknight

Doing recon, Shaked represents the Jewish Home party. As the article's author puts it, this puts her well to the right of Netanyahu, even if people might have a hard time believing that's possible. According to Wikipedia, JH's main point is that the Israelis are under divine COMMAND to maintain rule of the Holy Land (which I guess means that Israelis are somehow not permitted to abjure any part of it).

And on top of this, she's claimed that she was misrepresented by the media, after Recep Tayyip Erdogan said her mentality was no different from Hitler's. I'm not sure I want to ferret out her rebuttal; anyone else want to perform that bit of recon?

7/24/2014 12:44:36 PM

Old Viking

Well there's a calm, reasoned and temperate approach.

7/24/2014 1:13:05 PM

Xotan

Gaza is one large camp - not much food. little water in a desert land - people being taken out a little at a time, but it all adds up...

I can't help seeing a similarity to a certain people that was almost wiped out in Europe 70 years ago.

The abused has become the abuser. It's sad because I once used to admire Israel. Then the zionist hawks got power and seem to be well on the way to taking over all Palestinian land, whilst working out a slow genocide on the Palestinian people.

And before anyone jumps in, yes, Hamas is another matter. But what Israel is doing is the best recruiting sergeant for that organisation.

The US is complicit in what is going on. It has the influence to greatly affect how Israel behaves (cutting off the money until Israel stops being a rogue state) and much of Europe looks on aghast that the US does nothing while women, children and the old suffer terribly.

7/24/2014 3:11:13 PM

Mark Poe

Nut jobs like you on both sides is the reason why there will never be peace in that region.

7/24/2014 4:01:10 PM

Mech610

"Who is the enemy?"

Hamas and extremism. End of list. The Palestinian people, just like the Israeli people, are caught in the middle of a war between two extremist groups. As someone who lived among them for the past 6 months, I can tell you that very few on either side want it to continue.

@Mudak

Actually, the reasons for the fighting isn't Judaism vs. Islam, though I understand how it could look that way to an outside observer. The reasons really are more mundane than that and are related to grievances that both sides have had with each other for decades now, maybe even centuries. Religion doesn't factor into it as much as far-right nutcases like to imagine it does. After all, there are Muslim Israelis.

7/24/2014 4:18:08 PM

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