There's a reason that egalitarians around the country are suddenly having epiphanies to the effect that the Bible doesn't mean what it says about homosexuality. Egalitarians have no reason to oppose homosexuality, and some of them are starting to admit it. If "I do not permit a woman to teach" really means "it's ok for women to be pastors," then "homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God" might actually mean "homosexuality is totally fine. There's a famous book that makes this very argument. In fact, it's so brave of them to be who they are." If you're willing to accommodate feminism on gender roles, why not homosexuality?
You're on a path to liberalism. Might as well admit it. Homosexuality is where egalitarianism ends.
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What? Just... what!?
"Egalitarians have no reason to oppose homosexuality, and some of them are starting to admit it."
That's the fucking point of it -- treating all people in an equal manner! An egalitarian can't "admit" to that any more than a hot dog vendor can "admit" to selling hot dogs!
"Homosexuality is where egalitarianism ends."
That doesn't even-- GAH! There really needs to be an amendment to the law that makes its legal the slap the living shit out of fuckwits like this until they learn either to be less stupid or how to hide it better.
You're on a path to liberalism. Might as well admit it.
So, just so we're clear, you want liberals to be known as the egalitarians who oppose discrimination and support gay rights, women's rights, and religious freedom (denominations and religions that support female clergy). I just want to be clear on that. See you at the next election!
I have to agree to a certain extent. Instead of trying to redefine biblical passages to sound more progressive, we all need to admit that the bible is a misogynistic, oppressive text from a bygone age and shouldn't be used as a guide for modern society.
In one way, he's right: manipulating your belief system so it can mean whatever you want it to mean regardless of it's original meaning or intent is a bad thing, no matter who's doing it or for what reason.
Who said, "I do not permit a woman to teach"? Something buried in the torah?very good things. Why do you see liberalism as the endpoint insanity, thus making you shallower than soundbites?
I support your right to not be taught by a woman. (You should drop out of school immediately.)
I support your right not to be a homosexual.
I support your right not to be a cross-dresser.
Of course, I also support your right to die in a fire.
You're on a path to liberalism
Like every Pope since 1970, when St Teresa of Avila and St Catherine of Siena were recognized as Doctors (i.e. teachers) of the Church.
"homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God"
You put that in quotes, but you do realise the Wholy Babble doesn't actually say that? If you are going to quote the book, make sure you know what it actually says. The word homosexual didn't exist when the Babble was written or even when it was translated into English for the first time.
Those liberalist-based Christians who have changed their mind have checked up the original Hebrew and Greek texts and found English translations are dubious at best, outright incorrect or they have decided that the overall mesage of the book is love, so that out-ranks the hateful sections.
So your "deeper than soundbites" website title turns out to mean shallower than a puddle soundbites.
the Bible doesn't mean what it says about homosexuality.
Quite true... since Jesus did away with all the old rules, and since Jesus didn't say anything negative about homosexuality, then what the Bible says about Homosexuality is absolutely nothing.
Unless you want to argue that Jesus didn't do away with the old laws, in which case... unless you are a Virgin Male Jew, you're not going to Heaven at all. (among with the other shit you need to do... like burnt animal sacrifices to pardon your sins, avoiding being a Gentile, not pontificating on what a different religions holy book actually says...)
Or, if you want to be silly, you can try to claim that what Paul said takes precedence over what Jesus said... which is where the shit you're spouting came from.
Paulianity... that's your religion.
Well firstly, Americans are misusing the term 'Liberal' - my dictionary defines it as
"Respecting and allowing many different types of beliefs or behaviour"
Nothing derogatory there.
Second point:
I'll accept that the Bible means what you say it says about homosexuality if the likes of Timothy Dukeman accept that it also means what it says about port, shellfish, haircuts, the sabbatical year, clothes of mixed fibres, stoning your children to death if the back-answer you...There are more, but I am too lazy to bother.
Finally, I am proud to fit the dictionary description of liberal. To be otherwise would be to be a bigot.
There's a reason that egalitarians around the country are suddenly having epiphanies to the effect that the Bible doesn't mean what it says about homosexuality.
And it's the same reason they had epiphanies to the effect that the Bible doesn't mean what it says about slavery.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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