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Creationist Ray Comfort complained that Neil deGrasse Tyson had misrepresented the Bible.

The astrophysicist and host of Fox’s “Cosmos” said recently that using the Bible as a scientific source was problematic, because no one had ever scientifically proven a theory based on scripture.

Comfort said last week on his online “Comfort Zone” program that Tyson wasn’t qualified to make that determination because he’s not a theologian.

“You know, the word ‘science,’ it’s kind of a magical word,” Comfort said. “‘I believe in science.’ It just means knowledge, that’s all it means. There’s different areas of science, different areas of knowledge. When you say the Bible is not a science book, you’re saying it’s not a knowledge book? It tells us how God created the Earth!”

Knowledge, of course, is not quite all that defines science, which is characterized by systematic methods of observation in pursuit of new understanding.

But Comfort insisted the Bible was a science book because it described the origins of the universe.

“It gives us the basis for all creation, and it passes the scientific method,” he said. “It’s observable – Genesis – and testable. Evolution is not. You can’t observe something 60 million years old, but you can observe what Genesis says.”

For example, Comfort argued, the Book of Genesis mentions that animals reproduce other animals like themselves, and that can be observed on the fossil record.

“The Bible isn’t written as a science book, but it has scientific facts in it that can be relied upon, unchanging scientific facts,” he said. “It’s God’s word.”

Comfort’s guest, creationist fundraiser Alan Pearson, said Tyson’s comments revealed a flaw in scientific thinking.

“This is a reboot of the PBS series in the ‘70s with Carl Sagan, who said the cosmos is all that ever was and all that ever will be, which is ironic, because that is not a statement that can be proven in fact,” said Pearson, who directs fundraising for Comfort’s ministry. “That is a faith-based statement, if you will. So it’s kind of ironic, this whole thing being rebooted as it is.”

Comfort agreed that Tyson, like Sagan, seems like a nice fellow.

“Horrible statements come from nice guys,” Comfort said. “I mean, he’s just downgraded the word of God as just, you can’t trust it, [but] you can throw yourself blindfolded without reserve into the promises of God. You can trust the Bible. It’s God’s word.”

Ray Comfort, RAW Story 53 Comments [3/30/2014 4:46:32 AM]
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Tell us again about the bananas, Ray...

3/30/2014 4:58:34 AM



If the buybull is a science book, what modern scientific or medical discoveries can you point to that are only explainable via insight from the buybull? Any cures for modern illnesses? Any new technology, computers, communications, maybe the circuit diagrams and detailed explanations for 4G LTE cellular networks is in there somewhere?

3/30/2014 5:03:10 AM

anevilmeme

Even among fundies how does banana man have ANY credibility left ?

3/30/2014 5:08:22 AM

Sangfroid

Ray, neither you nor your pack of morons are scientists capable of commenting on Tyson's work. See how that works?

3/30/2014 5:37:21 AM

John_in_Oz

But God told Joseph Smith that the word had become corrupted by sinful man.

Are you calling God a liar?

3/30/2014 5:43:51 AM

Doubting Thomas

The bible is the claim, not the evidence. And calling it a science book when there's just so much incredibly false in it is laughable.

3/30/2014 6:09:48 AM

Hasan Prishtina

It just means knowledge, that’s all it means.

Words change their meaning; you're about 300 years out of date, Ray.

3/30/2014 6:15:36 AM

Gawd

Bleh. Lots of inane assertions and the same tired crap. Ho-hum banana man.

3/30/2014 6:17:52 AM

pyro

> “It’s observable – Genesis – and testable. Evolution is not. You can’t observe something 60 million years old, but you can observe what Genesis says."

I actually snickered at this. Did you practice being dense, or were you born that way?

But, for posterity's sake, here's an explanation:

Observing what Genesis says is conclusive proof that someone wrote it, not that the events described happened. In the same way, observing Cosmos is conclusive proof that someone recorded it, not that it happened. The actual evidence is the presence in a peer reviewed journal, and the reports of it being repeated, etc.

3/30/2014 6:34:51 AM

Officer Hot-Pants

“The Bible isn’t written as a science book, but it has scientific facts in it that can be relied upon, unchanging scientific facts,” he said. “It’s God’s word.”

I can say the same of Pokemon. That doesn't mean Arceus is real or that the stories it tells are anything more than some nonsense that someone made up to entertain people and make money. The only difference is that the people who became unhealthily obsessed with the latter fantasy are called "troubled" while those who became likewise obsessed with former are called "faithful".

3/30/2014 6:35:24 AM

Swede

The Bible doesn't tell us HOW God created the world, stupid. Haven't you even read the first two chapters of it? The Bible does NOT pass the scientific method! You can also observe what The Lord of the Rings says, silly.

Tyson's comments reveal a flaw in fundamentalist "thinking".

Too bad we can't reciprocate, as Comfort doesn't seem like a nice fellow...

3/30/2014 6:39:31 AM

calshepN7

Damn, it gets old listening to Comfort spew the EXACT same fallacious "arguments" no matter how many times he is corrected in different ways by different people. Ignorance is one thing, but this guy thrives on extremely willful ignorance.

3/30/2014 6:40:07 AM

MK

"Tyson wasn’t qualified to make that determination because he’s not a theologian. "

Okay Ray. Then let's just say that all theologians aren't qualified to say **** about science, ever.

Deal?

3/30/2014 6:45:00 AM

Papabear

"‘I believe in science.’ It just means knowledge, that’s all it means."

A. That is not all it means, nor is it the important primary meaning of the word.

B. You seem remarkably under-qualified to judge anything related to knowledge.

3/30/2014 7:00:38 AM

LDM

I haven't even watched the show yet, but the way it's getting fundies' panties in a twist has been so entertaining.

3/30/2014 7:22:24 AM

Justanotheratheist

If the bible is a science book then the Kama Sutra is the owner's manual for a 1978 Volkswagen Beetle.

3/30/2014 7:29:04 AM



"Tyson wasn’t qualified to make that determination because he’s not a theologian. "

Okay Ray. Then let's just say that all theologians aren't qualified to say **** about science, ever.

^This.

3/30/2014 7:41:33 AM

John

The Bible doesn't "describe" the origin of the universe or tell us how God created the earth - it just says God poofed them into existence by magic. The idea that Genesis isn't science and shouldn't be taken literally has been around for over 1,500 years and is accepted by mainstream Christians. It isn't something Tyson invented.

3/30/2014 7:42:18 AM

Goomy pls

Most of the "scientific foreknowledge" the BuyBull says are in truth overly obvious statements that are only scientific if you warp its meaning beyond recognition (don't eat a carcass) or even outright falsehoods (bats are birds, insects have 4 legs, rabbits chew cud).

@Officer Hot-Pants

And another thing: both their obsessors wish it to be true. Like me, for instance.

Yet another thing: both labels for obsessors of both subjects are rather misleading. I don't think I have to explain to you why "faithful" is a misleading, one-sided label--it seems you already agree. Sure, too much obsession with Pokemon is not great, but those who like Pokemon can easily be interested in several different subjects. For me, linguistics. When Pokemon Black and White came out I was watching a walkthrough and picked up a little Japanese (it was the only language it was out in at the time). I learned more and really started to gain interest into other languages such as Vietnamese and Hungarian. When I decided to learn the names of moves in Spanish a while beforehand, the knowledge of Spanish I gleaned from that (also from the couple of mistranslations here and there, most of which have since been fixed) helped me do very well in the Spanish class I was taking at the time. I also learned some about programming and game theory.

In short, there is a (slight) difference between both obsessions--but not the way fundies think of it. Chri-stainity, especially the fundie kind, usually discourages inquiry whereas Pokemon usually encourages it.

Unless you're talking about the Pokemon lore, with Arceus, Dialga, Uxie et al. in which case that can be almost as anti-inquiry as fundieism in the next religion, but Pokeist fundies are VERY few and far between.

3/30/2014 7:46:31 AM

breakerslion

"You can trust the Bible. It’s God’s word.”

But you see, it's not the Bible that is making that statement. You and your institutionally-anointed peers, including the ones that wrote it all down, are the ones making that assertion. That means I have to have faith, or trust in you... and I don't.

Trust, but verify. This is the basis for understanding. You can't use the Bible to verify itself, any more than a scientist can be trusted to verify his own work. By your illogical criteria, we should all believe in Ahura Mazda, since those assertions predate yours. The fact that your God has a bigger sales organization should not enter into the decision.

Your critique amounts to, "Pay no attention to the scientist in the lab coat." It's your way of keeping your income base. It's one of your unspoken religious tenets: no potential threat to our holdings can be ignored. This is why the rest of us have had to endure a world threatened by internecine warfare by you greedy kooks.

You'll never admit it though, because then you'd have to admit that the clergy is just a refuge for manipulators. /rant

3/30/2014 8:20:54 AM

nazani14

The only scientifically amazing thing about the Bible is that people paid any attention to it at all, while the Romans were using hydraulic cement and doing cataract surgery.

3/30/2014 8:29:51 AM

checkmate

“It gives us the basis for all creation, and it passes the scientific method,” he said. “It’s observable – Genesis

By your definition, fortune cookies are scientific literature:


3/30/2014 8:54:51 AM

anothga

100% pure liquid BS.

3/30/2014 9:01:05 AM

freako104

Ray Comfort not understanding science. And bitching about people smarter than he is

3/30/2014 9:11:29 AM



I suspect the Biblical account of creation was kind of a "lies to children" type thing. I mean, imagine God trying to explain how he made the universe to a bunch of farmers back then.

God: "O.K. so I converted universal energy into a type of cylindri-"
Farmer #1: "What's E-ner-ge?"
Farmer #2: "Can you farm it?"
God: "What? No. Well I can but not yo-"
Farmer #1: "So you're a farmer too?"
God: "I didn't mean it like tha-"
Farmer #2: "Hey God, from one farmer to another, which is the best season?"
God: "It depends on what you're farming, like Tomatoes or Corn. And I'm not a farm-"
Farmer #1: "What's corn?"
God: "FUCK IT!! I MADE THE EARTH IN 6 DAYS AND RESTED ON THE 7TH!!! G-MAN OUT!"
*God moonwalks away, with rainbow explosions all around him.*

3/30/2014 9:22:38 AM

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