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well there's 2 separate issues here. The first issue is that it is quite clear by now that studying genes isn't going to tell science much about evolution or disease -- as both of these are influenced equally -- maybe even moreso -- by the epigenome (environmental factors.) Although there are a host of genetic diseases that are plaguing society, by far the most damage is being done via heart disease, cancer, MS, lupus, arthritis and other degernative diseases that have nothing to do with ones' genes, but instead how one (or their parents/granparents) live their lives. Diet, activity level, toxic chemicals, etc play much more of a role in disease than science lets on...therefor their interests should be directed towards showing people how to reverse the diseases that come as a result of years of abuse. Degenerating bodies can be regenerated, most people don't know this, but they can be taught.....even cancer can be reversed, which is just a degenerative (epigenetic) disease. Same with heart disease, high cholesterol, diabetes and all the rest....all reversible/curable if they're not too far along and haven't done too much damage. (interestingly, I read the other day that fasting actually reduces the built-up plaque on the walls of the heart's arteries.)

So the first issue is that science is wrong-headed about what is actually going to help the masses, and by merely studying genes they are wasting a lot of time and money...(not to mention lives.) The second thing -- and this is just a personal opinion -- is that our government shouldn't be in the business of health or disease to begin with. There are all kinds of companies with billions of potential dollars who can do the job just fine. If they find the cure -- genetically, epigenetically or otherwise -- the money will come. Nothing promotes a sense of urgency to produce a cure moreso than the reality that people won't get paid until that happens. But as it is, the government is in the business of "research." Thus, this "research," otherwise known as the continuing pipe-dream promise for a cure, is in itself a giant money-maker. I don't like paying for decades of empty promises -- like the 40-year "War against Cancer" -- I like paying for results....but I don't like paying for them until they're availiable. Therefore, I believe individual companies should put up their own money to do their own research and then, if they come up with a cure, reap the rewards. I don't believe my money should be stolen from me year after year to fund this chronic "research" that never produces a cure for a single thing.

supersport, Talk Rational 20 Comments [3/24/2014 3:03:37 AM]
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anothga

...by far the most damage is being done via heart disease, cancer, MS, lupus, arthritis and other degernative diseases...


even cancer can be reversed, which is just a degenerative (epigenetic) disease.
All those people who died to cancer, after they were diagnosed with it, would have loved it if they knew how.

I don't like paying for decades of empty promises -- like the 40-year "War against Cancer" -- I like paying for results....but I don't like paying for them until they're availiable.
In that case, how are the results meant to become available in the first place?

3/24/2014 3:40:45 AM

Mister Spak

The second thing -- and this is just a personal opinion -- is that our government shouldn't be in the business of health or disease to begin with."

The constitution disagrees with your personal opinion, cretino - general welfare ya know.

"I don't like paying for decades of empty promises -- like the 40-year "War against Cancer" -- I like paying for results...."

Like the anti-cancer results we got from studying the DNA of cancer?

3/24/2014 3:46:43 AM

Goomy pls

Nowadays degenerative and genetic diseases are more important in developed countries, but it used to be infectious diseases that factored in more.

3/24/2014 4:16:34 AM

Doubting Thomas

Who needs medicine? We have woo!

3/24/2014 5:29:19 AM

Pule Thamex

An interesting theory. Apparently, science can only take humanity so far. What's actually needed in order to point us in the right direction is a think tank with en suite meditational facilities, or mental institution with padded cells, if you will.

Thankfully, pioneering philosophers like supersport, undisturbed by reality or inconvenienced by sanity, are safeguarding our future by the profound consideration of humanity's lot from the seclusion of just such a facility. I hope!

3/24/2014 7:01:05 AM

Agahnim

If you know better than scientists, let's see your research. Don't complain if they laugh.

3/24/2014 7:23:19 AM

Sasha

Cancer research takes time. I'm just glad we're getting results. And I would like to see those kinds of results for lupus!

3/24/2014 8:47:02 AM

rubber chicken

And yet, there are more scientists working on treatments for Male Pattern Baldness than are working on treatments for Malaria.

3/24/2014 9:37:16 AM

freako104

If we took supersport's ideas and put them into action, how long before our kind is wiped out?

3/24/2014 9:37:34 AM

John

The first issue is that it is quite clear by now that studying genes isn't going to tell science much about evolution ...

So DNA paternity testing doesn't work?

3/24/2014 10:02:56 AM

nazani14

"Diet, activity level, toxic chemicals, etc play much more of a role in disease than science lets on."
Without science, you never would have heard of the effects these factors can have on health, and you'd still be attributing hiccups to being poked by a pixie.

3/24/2014 10:13:01 AM

Ludd

"even cancer can be reversed, which is just a degenerative (epigenetic) disease" - Ten bucks says this guy ends up dying of Cancer one day.

3/24/2014 10:34:52 AM

NonProphet

Amongst all the other headache-inducing troll-stupid in this post, the "diabetes" bit really irritated me... in no small part because I have a diabetic partner.

Whether or not Supersport believes what s/he's saying, diabetes can NOT currently be "cured" - least of all through such simplistic methods as fasting. (Unless one equates "death via diabetic shock" to a "cure.")
I've been hearing people claim otherwise for days, and it's not only misinformed, it's dangerous to any diabetic who believes it.

3/24/2014 11:45:59 AM

Hertzyscowicz

Nothing promotes a sense of urgency to produce a cure moreso than the reality that people won't get paid until that happens.

And nothing says "good investment" like spending half a decade in the pipeline before anyone can say whether anything worth money may some day come of it.

3/24/2014 11:52:15 AM

Old Viking

Didn't even start it. Too much Supersport in one helping.

3/24/2014 12:33:43 PM

Creedence Leonore Gielgud

> I like paying for results....but I don't like paying for them until they're availiable.

This is why you are a blogger, and not someone important enough to be entrusted with appropriating medical research funding, or operating the drink fountain at Burger King all by yourself.

3/24/2014 1:07:22 PM

Hasan Prishtina

You could, of course, just become a Christian Scientist.

If they find the cure -- genetically, epigenetically or otherwise -- the money will come.

No idea of the decades of work it takes to reach the point where they can cure disease.

like the 40-year "War against Cancer" -- I like paying for results....but I don't like paying for them until they're availiable.

Let's consider the decades of "empty promises" in The War Against Polio funded by ordinary folks through The March of Dimes...how did that work out?

3/24/2014 2:28:28 PM



"Nothing promotes a sense of urgency to produce a cure moreso than the reality that people won't get paid until that happens."

If I didn't already know SS was one of the biggest pricks alive, and perfectly willing to shit on dead "Atheist baby-killer(s)"* I would not believe it.

*said dead atheist baby killer being a theist who believed in evolution, was pro choice, and had his tribute page vandalized by SS.

Edit:

Nice to know that this still exists.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mtQ3KlkYSgzT2-XneMRYMNvqPG4iIkYJLvBeg0L8LpY/edit

3/24/2014 4:19:03 PM



Autoimmune diseases like MS and Lupus have NOTHING to do with how the patient or her parents live their lives, idiot, but as you are a typical Republican, you love to blame victims despite the facts. Why don't you leave medical issues to smart people.

3/25/2014 1:09:13 AM

Missingno

@1648364
I agree. I know a thing or two about MS, given that my mom died of it when I was seven, and that the only person I know on that side of the family, my uncle, does bike rides to raise money for MS research. I can say, with utter confidince, that this stupid douchebag knows approximately jack FUCKING shit about it.

5/1/2014 12:59:09 AM

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