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Quote# 143178

The Lord showed me the boat very clearly. I saw it better than those inside it. If those inside the boat and those going into this boat saw what I saw they would not dare come close to this death trap.

In my vision, I saw the top deck of this boat. It was simply spectacular. I have no way of describing it; simply beautiful and breathtaking. It was full of lights. The colors were finely coordinated. Large screens were in every direction you looked, and beautiful people were on those screens. It was the lights, the dazzling colors and the screens that charmed the people on the outside. They could be seen from many miles away and they had a supernatural pull on the people that made them desperate to go there. On this top deck were good looking, handsome and pretty people of all kinds. They were without any spot or any kind of blemish; their eyes, their teeth, their walk, their smile and mannerisms said to everyone, “all is well, I am on top of the world; it is wonderful to be me. Come, join my party and you are guaranteed to be happy all the time.”

Because of this, everyone longed to be like them. They were part of the welcoming committee. These people were so nice, so cheerful and extremely kind. They were willing to pleasantly and intelligently engage you on any subject of discussion. I watched and saw one of the passengers mention the name of Jesus. The beautiful faces of those around him turned ugly. Rashes were seen all over their spotless body. They were drenched with sweat, with yearning and wet-eyes. Their sweet and kind voices became rough and harsh. They were allergic to this name when mentioned honorably.

Once on that deck you would never know you were on a boat. It looked and felt like a beautiful street in a great city. You felt like you were the guest of honor in an extravagant royal banquet. Everyone was nice to everyone. The newcomers were waited on and served with whatever their hearts desired. The music each person heard was what their heart most longed for; just the way they wanted it. The music was so good that if you took away everything else from that deck, a great number would still remain just for the music. As was the music, so was the food. The combination of these two sold this place to the people’s hearts. They were so charmed and mesmerized that all their doubts and questions about this place went away. People were truly happy and were willing to face any consequence or fight anything that would take this feeling from them. “Don’t I deserve to be happy once in my life; why is it that whenever someone finds happiness these judgmental people come along with their religious and moral rules?” This was their argument.

As I saw in my other visions, the great number of people streaming into the boat were of different backgrounds, color, culture and languages. It was a great crowd. The builders of this boat expected the crowd and built a huge boat and a very wide bridge. This allowed these travelers to go on board. Despite the great width of this bridge, there was still a fight to get on. The travelers, thinking that the boat may be leaving soon and leave them behind, were very much in a hurry to get on.

I made my way to a higher ground and looked but could not see an end to this sea of people waiting their turn to get onto the boat. “There will never be enough space for these people to fit into this boat”, I thought to myself; but I thought wrong. Though the sea of people seemed larger than the very sea the boat was in, there were decks on that boat that reached lower than the bottom of the sea into the abyss itself. The boat was just a funnel that funneled souls into the bottomless pit.

The decks of the Boat

There were twelve decks to this boat. Each deck was divided wisely into three sections. These three sections were devised so that there could be non-stop engagement of the passengers until it was too late. The scenes, the sound, the feel, the sight, the smell were all redundantly and sequentially created to hold and to keep them fascinated. From section to section on any given deck there was something to feel, something to see and something to be a part of, to do and to brag about. All the passengers on this boat were taught and groomed to find happiness and comfort in life outside the will of God. All the instruments that stir up the deepest depravity of the human heart were carefully employed. They appealed to the lust of the eye, the lust of the flesh and the pride of man, nonstop. What satisfied yesterday did not gratify today. And I saw that for the longing of new things, and more of it, those on deck one wandered from one section to another until their hour on that deck passed. And without even knowing it the door to another deck opened and they wandered straight onto it. Everyone stayed on a deck for only one hour. After each hour passed they descended to the lower deck. Hour by hour they descended lower and lower until their twelfth hour rendezvous with the night. Little did they know that their night would never dawn into day. It would be a night that would last as long as God sits on the throne. It would be a night with total bleakness and hopelessness. Who in their right mind would dare venture into this kind of a night? Oh, but the deceiver is very cunning, subtle and extremely crafty. He pushes his deceived ones little by little into the night; so gently as never to stir them until it is too late to turn back. I saw that many on the ship’s top deck got easily bored with their current pleasure and went in search of the ultimate fulfillment. Longing for peace and happiness but still coming up short, they continued to wander from section to section. The fearful thing is that the lower the deck, the darker it got and the more difficult it was to come out. There was always a decrease in the amount of light at the first deck compared to each lower deck. But the passengers were too driven by their depraved-appetite and selfish-impulses to notice the difference.

There were many activities simultaneously happening on different decks, but one of the most shocking sights I saw was on deck six. On this deck I saw a big hall almost as endless as the length of the ship. In this hall were beds carefully arranged in rows and columns. It looked very much like a hospital only that this was one huge open hall. All the beds were occupied and there were yet many at the door waiting for their time to come in.
On these passengers bodies were tubes very much like some kind of transfusion. The entrance and the exit tubes points were both inserted through the head. One tube carried a green substance in while the other carried a red substance out. I did not understand this at all. But I can never forget how everyone wanted this experience and could not wait for their turn to be ‘tubed’ as they called it. Much later in my journey, Wisdom brought this moving scene back to my memory. He asked me, “Would you like to understand what this means?” I was curious but I was reluctant because I was afraid of the meaning of this vision. “This is the non-stop chatter and communication of this world and their way of thinking which leads to their way of doing things.” Wisdom continued, “The people of this world are deceived by the prince of darkness through communication. The green fluid you see going into their head is called life, but it is not the life of God. It is the life of this world; the fallen world over which the prince of darkness rules. It is the wisdom of this world with all of its depraved appetites. This green substance is flowing directly from Satan’s throne, out of the many mouths of the four princes around his throne. This life feels and looks wonderful but it deceives those that are filled with it; it is a life of lies. But the red substance you see is the life of God, the little godlike nature in their conscience, reasoning, decency, holy shame, kindness, honor and a desire to worship the living God that still remains even in the fallen man. Satan and his worldly-wise, media, academia and information instruments in their all-that-matters-is-now-there-is-no-God-only-what-you-make-happen-happens-we-are-our-own-gods-just-be-nice-to-people-never-kill-anyone-you-don’t-need-anyone-to-save-you-there-is-no-heaven-there-is-no-hell-so-let’s-eat-and-drink-for-tomorrow-we-die. They drum this day and night until their drum beat becomes law in the minds of men and women and they live their lives by this law.”

The other mystery I saw was on the twelfth deck. No one coming into the flashy, beautiful top deck would have come if they knew what was on the twelfth deck; or any of the lower decks. This is why those on the top decks were being treated with care and gentleness because they could still get off very easily. And the chains on them were not yet heavy. If anyone on the top deck were to be directly transported to deck six, they would instantly faint for shock, and if they ever woke up, they would do anything to get off this ship. The captain and his crew members do not want to provoke this kind of panic and mass exodus. So the ship and its activities are designed to mask the hell-ward decay process almost to invisibility by gradually introducing its decomposition little by little. No one that walks through the door that leads to this deck is ever seen again. Right below that deck is a huge funnel-shaped hole that leads to the pit that has no bottom.

The other thing the passengers did not see early in their ride was that they were wearing chains. These chains were first given to them as beautiful and expensive bracelets, necklace and anklets. With time these chains grew heavier and heavier; but those in chains hardly noticed them until they attempted to escape any of the corruption on the boat. The pleasures they had given themselves to increased the weight of their chains. The comforts they received from the gods they served added to their captivity and their pain in the day of their trouble.
There was always a doorway of escape for passengers on every deck. This doorway opened directly to the sea on which this ship sailed. But the thought and courage to escape grew fainter and hope became dimmer as they descended to the lower decks.

Michael ChristisKing, The War and the Stampede (book) 6 Comments [4/9/2019 8:34:21 AM]
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Submitted By: Denizen

Quote# 143177

Lady Checkmate's headline: "PERSECUTION: Yale Law School policy may discriminate against Christian groups, Sen. Ted Cruz says"

(link goes to Fox News story, reproduced here):

Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, has opened an investigation into Yale Law School over a decision to expand its nondiscrimination policy to certain organizations’ hiring practices – a move he contends may be aimed against Christians.

Per the school’s “nondiscrimination policy,” students who are affiliated with or work for organizations deemed discriminatory will not gain access to certain funds. The policy was recently expanded to cover summer public interest fellowships, post-graduate public interest fellowships, and loan forgiveness for careers in public interest, according to LifeSite News.

In February, members of the Yale Federalist Society invited a lawyer from the Christian law firm Alliance Defending Freedom to speak on campus, a move that enraged Yale’s LGBT group “Outlaws.”

Outlaws wrote to school administrators demanding that it expand its discrimination policy to Christian groups, given some Christian groups' stance on gay rights.

“[W]e are asking the Yale Law School administration to clarify its [Summer Public Interest Fellowship (‘SPIF’)] and admissions policies regarding organizations that discriminate against members of its community,” the group wrote.

On March 25, the school sent an email to its students announcing an expansion of nondiscrimination policy.

In a letter last Thursday to Yale Law’s Dean Heather Gerken, Cruz wrote: “(It) appears that the policy arose from unconstitutional animus and a specific discriminatory intent both to blacklist Christian organizations like the Alliance Defending Freedom and to punish Yale students whose values or religious faith lead them to work there.”

Cruz told Gerken that the Senate Judiciary Committee’s Subcommittee on the Constitution is opening an investigation, a possible “referral to the Department of Justice for action against the law school.”

According to the Yale Daily News, administrators insisted that the policy applies solely to organizations’ “hiring practices” and not its “values,” adding that it “enthusiastically supports the efforts of Jewish, Catholic, Muslim, liberal, and conservative groups to hire our students.”

Cruz said the investigation may include a subpoena or a referral to the Department of Justice for action against Yale Law School.

Don't forget to RECOMMEND. Lets get the Truth out so that Light may shine bright in this dark place and Jesus Christ may be glorified. Even if the discussion is closed, please still RECOMMEND.


(Image shows flag with superimposed words "Christian Persecution in America")


(Image says "Pray for the Persecuted Church")


(Pastor and little girl stand in front of wall with a poster which reads "FREE SPEECH FORUM this Friday: No Christians Allowed". Pastor says to little girl "I sense a definite chill in the air." Little girl replies "And I thought mother earth was getting warmer."


(Assorted crosses on a hillside. The smaller ones in the background read "Black Conservatives", "Brendan Eich CEO Mozilla", "Hobby Lobby", "Chick Fil A" and "Duck Dynasty" with a large one in front with Jesus crucified on it which reads "Freedom of Speech, and the Free Exercise of Religion". An angry lesbian with a mohawk, an LGBT tattoo and rainbow flags on her breasts and a sign which reads "liberal tolerance" points at the Jesus cross and screams "CRUCIFY THEM!")


(young man speaking, caption reads "The Constitution isn't a relevant document right now."

Lady Checkmate, Disqus - Faith & Religion 9 Comments [4/9/2019 8:34:07 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 143154

I HATE UNRIGHTEOUSNESS! Psalms 97:10a, “Ye that love the LORD, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked.” Christian women ought to absolute HATE women wearing pants, but instead THEY WEAR THEM!!! Thanks a lot all you irresponsible females who make it harder for us men to live right! America's crazy laws protect evildoers. Every time I hear of horrifying crimes in the news, I have difficulty feeling any sympathy for Americans, because we have done this to ourselves! As long as we deprive impressionable children of the Holy Bible, and instead we indoctrinate them with the blatant lies and science-fiction of Evolution, all manner of crime will continue and escalate until we completely destroy ourselves.

Christians are far too complacent in this generation. The churches don't care and have become indifferent, because everything is about prioritizing money these days! I am so sick and tired of hearing deadbeat pastors say they're trying to “build a work,” as a lame excuse to shut me up about what's wrong with the modern corrupt Bible versions. They view me as a threat, a trouble-maker who causes controversies and might cause a church split. God pity that ungodly and disgraceful type of completely overpaid pastor! Pensacola Christian College (PCC) wants to build a little religious center on Guam, but they don't care about THE TRUTH!!! Don't even get me started on today's horrible pastors! I love pastors, if they are Bible-preachers! But how can you preach the inspired Word of God if you cannot even discern which Bible God wrote, amongst hundreds of English Bible versions available today? Duh, gee, let me figure this out... Eeny, Meeny, Miny, Moe! I actually heard a local Baptist pastor on Guam say publicly from his pulpit that he wasn't surfing the internet during church, he was searching through different versions of the Bible to prepare his sermon. Goodnight in the morning! That is the poor quality of church pastors today... Eeny, Meeny, Miny, Moe! But I'm the bad guy according to their church staff, because I actually think GOD AUTHORED JUST ONE BOOK, and that we have it in the inspired King James Bible. Whose bonkers? Pastors gone wild!

I could write a volume of books on this topic. We've let the Devil take control over our lives in America. I don't care how sheltered a life you try to live, you cannot escape the insanity of this generation! The apostle Paul said because of the fierce and deadly persecution against the New Testament Church, he thought it was a good idea to avoid getting married. 1st Corinthians 7:25-26, “Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful. I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be.” I'm starting to feel that way in our messed-up American culture today, where WOMEN HAVE GONE BONKERS, all manner of wickedness is now legal, and hatred and persecution against God-fearing, godly, Christ-honoring, Christians is quickly growing. Beam me up Scotty?

If you are a sweet, kind, sincere, pure of heart, responsible, appreciative, submissive, God-fearing, loyal woman, then I am not talking about you, so please don't be offended. And if you are fairly attractive, and single, I am looking for a wife. = -)

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Precious 9 Comments [4/9/2019 8:34:01 AM]
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Quote# 143149

(Poster's note: The page is archived with archive.is, but is more detailed than anything else I could quickly find on the subject. Yes, I know it's 13 years old.)

Nyay Bhushan of MonstersAndCritics.com has issued the following report:

Mumbai-based EMI Virgin India Ltd. said Friday (Oct. 6) it will recall all copies of the new SLAYER album "Christ Illusion" following protests by a Christian group, Mumbai-based Catholic Secular Forum (CSF).

Early this week, Joseph Dias, general secretary of CSF, issued a statement taking "strong exception" to the album`s cover artwork, which he said depicts "Christ with a missing eye and amputated arms." He added, "we also condemn the track, 'Skeleton Christ' as the lyrics are an insult to Christianity." The CSF also sent a memorandum to Mumbai's police commissioner, adding that the album "will affect the sensibilities of the Muslims on the track 'Jihad' and secular Indians who have respect for all faiths."

Kaveri Khullar, marketing manager, EMI India said in an interview, "We met with the CSF and were apologetic while assuring them that all copies of the album would be pulled out. We have no plans of re-issuing it in any way."

The "Christ Illusion" album had been on the shelves for only a week. Khullar did not confirm the number of units released only stating, "There weren't too many that we launched anyway."

The CSF had earlier protested against the Indian release of "The Da Vinci Code" which led the Censor Board to instruct the India distributor, Mumbai-based Sony Pictures Releasing India, to include a notice to accompany the film to explain that it was a work of fiction.

Joseph Dias, Catholic Secular Forum, Blabbermouth.net 0 Comments [4/9/2019 8:33:52 AM]
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Submitted By: K'Zad Bhat

Quote# 143083

[From "On the Virtue of Letting Cancer Children Die"]

Earlier this week, I proposed that instead of spending billions of dollars to try to prolong the misery of cancer children, we instead force cancer children to fight one another to the death in cages.

Most people found this to be a very reasonable proposal that stems from basic common sense.

However, some faggots said I am a big meanie. And they said: how would you like it if you had a cancer child?

Firstly, I won’t have a cancer child, because I have excellent genetics and only bang sluts that are 10/10 HOT and who only eat green vegetables and probiotics.

Secondly, if I did ever have a cancer child, I wouldn’t be some pussy faggot and let its life drag on in misery to meet my own deranged emotional needs. I would give it the pillow it deserves.

One astute commenter replied to the childlike babies who became sad at the thought of bald cancer children being forced to fight to the death for our amusement in cages with wisdom and guile:

Apparently, some faggots think this is a motherfucking game.

It’s not Boomerworld, where everything is discussion, and rhetoric, and moralizing, and hand wringing, and fucking virtue signaling.

We are living in the real world and if the white race loses, or if humanity goes extinct, there’s no chance for a retest.

Big picture. What does the white/human race gain by providing extra life to failed life?

[...]


Cancer children are a plague that needs to be wiped out.

Boomer values are “the strong protect the weak.” As if this is moral.

Well, how has that worked out?

Not very well.

Propping up the weak above the strong leads to chaos, with the weak oppressing and abusing the strong because the weak are fundamentally vindictive and hateful, with a drive to take revenge on their betters.

Exalting weakness as virtue is decadent and depraved. It is not morality. It is anti-morality.

Actual morality is strength itself.

God is only as just as nature, and nature is pure justice.

In nature, the strong survive.

If we had instituted “the strong shall rule” as a policy, niggers wouldn’t be running wild, women wouldn’t leave the house without a chaperone let alone fuck every guy they walk past, and Jews – the weakest of all races – wouldn’t be ruling over us.

Jeff Bezos wouldn’t be the richest man in the world because War Machine – who would be free and on the loose in a world of pure natural justice – would break into his house and rape his wife and Mexican girlfriend in front of him and throw him off the roof.

And then War Machine would be the head of Amazon, and we would be able to find out what the result of that dynamic would be.

The first step in our journey is to pass a law saying it is illegal to give medical treatment to children with cancer and also ban health insurance and socialism.

The second step is to release War Machine from prison and pass a law that says he can’t ever be arrested no matter what he does – including but not limited to murder, rape and mass murder.

We’ll figure out the third step later.

Andrew Anglin, Daily Stormer 18 Comments [4/9/2019 8:33:34 AM]
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Submitted By: JeanP

Quote# 142350

In Bible prophecy Russia is mentioned, but not the United States. I am fully convinced that Revelation 18 is the United States, the wicked nation that goes up in flames in just ONE HOUR. I am convinced this refers to nuclear war, which is the only way a nation could be totally destroyed, sent back to the medieval period in ONE DAY! If The United States Goes To All Our Nuclear War With Russia, We Won't Win! Revelation 18:8 and 19, “Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her. ...And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.” America deserves God's fierce judgment!!!

Homosexuality is a vile sin in God's sight. Sexual immorality is epidemic across the United States! Adultery is commonplace. Fornication is everywhere! Pedophiles are everywhere! The pedophile problem is so bad in major cities across America, that city ordinances now forbid adults without a child from sitting within 150 feet of a playground. Can you imagine? The Roman Catholic Church is a haven for pedophiles, homosexuals and pederasts, but nobody is doing anything about it! What has our nation become?

Television is as filthy as ever, which woefully contributes to the problem. Hollywood is a cesspool of iniquity, which woefully contributes to the problem. But the root of the problem goes much deeper than just television and movies. The apostate condition of the churches is the major cause of our nation's deterioration. Where are the preaching preachers?

Rock music has changed our nation, incrementally, into a liberal-minded, indifferent, nation tolerant of sin! Booze, illegal drugs, drug trafficking, prostitution, assault, human trafficking, robbery, selfishness, covetousness, pride, boasters, disobedient to parents, and all manner of evil are happening everywhere in the United States! Apathy is commonplace. How did all this come about? In 1962 homosexuality was a punishable crime in all 50 states, but in 2015 it was legal in every state! How did our nation go to moral ruin in just 53 years? It was a consequence of social engineering by Luciferians behind the scenes, who promoted everything vile and unholy to influence the masses to live in sin without God.

That is why praise of Aleister Crowley and Satanism were a common theme among the pioneering Rock bands. who destroyed America. Led Zeppelin idolized Satanist Aleister Crowley, as did The Beatles and other popular bands. The band Rush commonly displays occult pentagrams in their music and album art work. New World Order symbols have always been featured throughout the entertainment industry, showing the Satanic subversion behind it all. Pink Floyd, Jefferson Starship, Blue Oyster Cult, Black Sabbath, Megadeth, Metallica, Iron Maiden, and thousands of other music groups are all saturated with Satanic and NWO symbols. This clearly evidences the Satanic plot to destroy the United States from within! If you doubt these things, you are woefully naive! Satan is the god of this evil world.

Here's a disturbing YouTube video about prophetic events in 2019. The world is quickly moving toward a Global Godless Totalitarian Communist Police State! We are increasingly hearing about a one world system (global DNA database, world court, global taxes, global military, cashless society, world church, et cetera). President Donald Trump - Mark of The Beast By 2020? Many Will Die! Calm Before The Storm! There are a lot of things in the works right now, gearing up for the Tribulation period. The return of the Lord Jesus Christ to catch up the saints (i.e., Rapture) has never been closer! We are beholding the last days! Even so, come, Lord Jesus!!!

Just as I made friends with a mean dog and turned him into my friend, the world is slowly being converted over to Satan! The Antichrist is called the “Man Of Sin” (2nd Thessalonians 2:3). Instead of barbequed skirt steak, the churches have been infiltrated and are being corrupted with New World Order Bible versions. Instead of barbequed skirt steak, our nation's homes are being infiltrated and corrupted by Satanic Hollywood, through various forms of media. It is not a coincidence that Harry Potter is a witch, who has been pushed upon impressionable children worldwide. Harry Potter is the Devil's ribeye steak being used to convert the children over to Satan! The world is deliberately being corrupted, defiled with all manner of evil, to prepare them to receive the coming Man Of Sin!

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 8 Comments [4/9/2019 8:33:12 AM]
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Quote# 141902

Dont belive the lies. Maduro is the people's President. Capitalist vampires want to kill the Revolution.

CaptMackenzieCalhoun, Reddit 0 Comments [4/9/2019 8:32:25 AM]
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Submitted By: Daspletosaurus

Quote# 141013

Something that most people don't know about Pastor Jack Hyles (1926-2001) is that he always steered young people to love, honor, respect, show gratitude, encourage, care for and be loyal to their parents. Most Bible colleges don't teach such practical things. There is nothing in this world any more important than honoring (valuing) one's parents. Even Jesus Himself, while dying on the cross and suffering in horrific pain, thought about His mother's welfare (John 19:27).

Honoring one's parents was a big deal to Dr. Hyles! Brother Hyles taught us (now that we've been to college) never to correct our parents if they speak poor English. Dr. Hyles taught us to love and appreciate our parents, and never to correct them on the Bible because we've been to Bible college. You don't go to college and then go back home and educate your parents. That's disrespectful. You love your parents and accept them as they are! If they ask questions, that's something different; but you never correct your parents when you think they're wrong. It's about respect. There should always be a general respect for one's parents (and all our elders for that matter). Youth today lack respect for the elderly. There was a time in America when young people always showed respect for their elders by addressing them as “yes Sir” and “no Sir” or “yes Mame” and “no Mame.”

You should value your parent's feelings. Teenagers today are brats who betray their parents, rob them, dishonor and hurt them. The daily news is flooded with stories nationwide of youth who dishonor their parents, dragging them into court, even killing them in anger. A 16-year-old teen in Miami, Florida, stabbed his own mother 14 times, killing her, and then he hid the body and threw a house-party!!!

This brat generation totally dishonors and disrespects parents. Teenagers can be very hard on their parents these days. The Word of God foretold in 2nd Timothy 3:1-2, “This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy...” The entire concept of a “Generation Gap” is disobedience to parents! Christian teens ought to recognize the teaching of a “Generation Gap” as being of the Devil. There is NO Generation Gap unless you are following the new homosexual generation, the new party-all-night-long generation, the abortion child-murdering generation, the Godless generation!!!

You honor your parents in many ways, primarily by the life that you live. You honor your parents by treating them the way you'd want your children to treat you, that is, making them feel needed and loved. Parents tend to feel unneeded when their children grow up and move away. Jesus taught that it's a sin to have the attitude that you're doing your parent(s) a favor by financially helping them...

Matthew 15:3-7, “But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. Ye hypocrites...”


Your parents raised your sorry butt. They fed you, housed you, cared for you, provided for you; how dare you make them feel like you're doing them a favor to talk to them on the phone, visit them or help them financially. You owe them, they don't owe you! You should always give to your parents without expecting anything in return, that's your mom and dad!!!

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 7 Comments [4/9/2019 8:31:56 AM]
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Quote# 140994

You're mentally ill if you don't eat raw meat, OK. What excuse could you fucking possibly have for not eating your natural diet. If you see blood, liver and brain and don't find those foods appetizing then you're mentally ill. You have been indoctrinated. If you were brainwashed as a kid to eat other food then you're still mentally ill by definition.

What is actually available in nature? Not those cultivated man-made plants that you find in the shop. Fruit, for example, is mostly water with some sugar, almost no vitamins and a few minerals. Yet you see those shops everywhere that sell "vitamin bombs". What vitamins are those? Vitamin C? Where's everything else? Blood has every single vitamin. Fruit has fucking nothing. This is the retardation of today's society. The skin is toxic and so are the seeds. All of them have anti-nutrients. Absolutely fucking useless.


sv3rige, Youtube 12 Comments [4/9/2019 8:31:42 AM]
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Submitted By: hydrolythe

Quote# 143176

The ultimate test to confirm your incel status.

As we have previously established; your female cousins are the ones who should offer you help in all things concerning sexual matters. In other words, they should fuck you. But, how many of us can say that our cousins care for us? that's why I have developed this very simple test.

Go to your cousin and ask her this: " cousin; if by a freaky accident of nature my dick gets bitten by a very poisonous snake, and the only way to remove its poison on time is if you suck my dick, and spit the poison out; would you save me or would you let me die?"

That's it; this is the test. If your cousin says she would rather see you dead, then you know it's over; it's the test to end all copes.

wizardcel, incels.co 15 Comments [4/8/2019 8:07:48 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 143175

My top 3 blackpills, ranked

#1 The bald pill

The worst of all pills. It contains the age pill, but on STEROIDS, making a 20 year old with an NW4 hairline look about 45. You will always see yourself as some sickly freak if you're losing your hair

#2 Manlet pill

All of society shits on you and treats you like garbage. In the professional world, it basically memes "never give me a decent position".

#3 Age pill

Completely isolated in the west if you're out of college and you're not chad.

mylifeistrash, incels.co 13 Comments [4/8/2019 8:07:41 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 143174

Morality is flawed and a cope...normies are correct

Normies estimate your value mainly based on your LMS and consider personality afterwards.

Morality has very little value for the most part. As long as you arent extremely antisocial LMS > all.

The world has always been about value and not morality. Today average male's worth has decreased considerably and pussy is inflated.

FaceandHFD, incels.co 6 Comments [4/8/2019 8:07:34 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 143163

The UK is already a member of the WTO, a founder member no less (as are at least all EU15 member states). An WTO member’s tariff schedules are its own concern, unless another WTO can successfully challenge that those tariffs are discriminatory. The WTO tariffs published by the U.K. government are either the same as those as the EU (i.e. very high in the case of beef and dairy imports) or lower (0% for car parts, for example, but the EU rate of 10% for finished car imports).

It’s not clear exactly why a WTO member should wish to challenge the UK’s tariff schedule, not least because it is politically obvious that the UK is on a mission to reduce its tariffs via free trade deals with other WTO members. The WTO combats protectionism, not free trade.

As for your comment about the Irish border, the provisional plan laid out by the UK government is to Northern Ireland into a giant free trade port for the time being, which is something which has several precedents around the world (e.g. Shenzhen). This may well be challenged by another WTO grouping (i.e. the EU), but there are two safeguards for the UK. First of all WTO rules permit local tariff exemptions on national security grounds (and EU propaganda over the past 2 years has done its best to depict Ireland as a war zone about to erupt). Second of all, the UK is co-signatory to a bilateral international Treaty (the 1998 Good Friday Agreement), the spirit of which safeguards an invisible border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. International Treaties have the same weight as international trade laws, which means there would be 10 fruitful years of work for international lawyers to rule whether the GFA or WTO rules take precedence. By the time they rule in 2030 the Republic of Ireland will have been ejected from the EU anyway.

“The UK is already a member of the WTO”
If you read the list of countries _not_ being a member of the WTO, you’ll notice that I did _not_ list the UK. The UK is a member of the WTO but it does not have a WTO schedule.

The idea of NI as a separate WTO geographical area was floated by the EU while there was debate about a border in the Irish Sea. As you yourself mention, there is ample precedent for this solution, e.g. Hong Kong.

Whether the UK can uphold a national security claim exemption is far from certain. So far only one country has successfully argued a national security case. Ukraine vs. Russia, where the WTO sided with Russia.

The US rejected the UK proposed schedule on the same grounds as Argentina did, they wanted easier access for their beef exports. Do you think they’ll just give up the advantage of the lack of an approved schedule grants them?

As you state, it will take years for the legal wheels to turn, there can, however, be very little doubt that the ruling will not be in favor of the UK.

Is that the kind of behavior we can expect for the UK from now on? Flaunting of international laws and treaties because by the time the judges rule the ruling will be irrelevant?

God riddance, buccaneers and pirates of the worst kind.


It’s probably pointless debating with emotional and Hans Christian Anderson-like Anglophobes like you, but here goes. The UK has published its tariff schedule, and the USA and Argentina are free to dispute these at leisure. By the time their WTO lawyers report back the UK will have secured free trade deals with both those countries anyway (call free trade ‘piracy’ if that makes you feel warm inside).

As for the Irish border, there will be a solution. The EU will enforce a surveillance regime close to Republic’s border with Northern Ireland, at ports and airports in the Republic of Ireland, and at ports of entry in the EU26 if necessary. In other words, the EU will cut the Republic of Ireland out of the EU. It’s your arrogant gamble that backfired, so enjoy,

I see you have both wet imperialistic dreams and the capability of building straw man arguments.

A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent’s argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be “attacking a straw man.”

My piracy argument was based on you proposing to knowingly violate international treaties simply because the legal wheels turn slowly. The stuff about free trade is a straw man, and what is worst, you know it.

Your FTA’s with the US and Mercosur (or Argentina specifically) is pie in the sky dreams. You cannot at this stage know what is possible and what isn’t.

Even TM, BJ, JRM et. al. have conceded that as of today the technology for safekeeping a border simply isn’t there. Do you by chance have some wonder technology nobody else has heard of or is it simply you failing to realize the obvious?

As for the UK forcing Ireland to leave the EU and signing up as a vassal state of the UK. Good luck with that. The best I can describe that as the UK trying to build the Empire v2.0


The EU, not the UK, will force the Republic of Ireland out of the EU. The USA and Argentina will want free trade deals with the UK because of its huge foodstuffs market. And using WTO trade articles in order to safeguard the spirit of the 1998 Good Friday Agreement is not violating international Treaties (I’ll let the EU do that).

Shall we leave things at that? You are very boring.

Steuersklav Erei, Politico.eu 5 Comments [4/8/2019 8:05:43 AM]
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Quote# 143171

Twelve Questions to Ask Before You Watch ‘Game of Thrones’

1. Am I Recrucifying Christ?

Christ died to purify his people. It is an absolute travesty of the cross to treat it as though Jesus died only to forgive us for the sin of watching nudity, and not to purify us for the power not to watch it.

He has blood-bought power in his cross. He died to make us pure. He “gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession” (Titus 2:14). If we choose to endorse or embrace or enjoy or pursue impurity, we take a spear and ram it into Jesus’s side every time we do. He suffered to set us free from impurity.

2. Does It Express or Advance My Holiness?
In the Bible, from beginning to end, there is a radical call for holiness — holiness of mind and heart and life. “As he who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct” (1 Peter 1:15). Or 2 Corinthians 7:1, “Since we have these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from every defilement of body and spirit, bringing holiness to completion in the fear of God.” Nudity in movies and photos is not holy and does not advance our holiness. It is unholy and impure.

3. When Will I Tear Out My Eye, If Not Now?
Jesus said, “Everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away” (Matthew 5:28–29). Seeing naked women — or seeing naked men — causes a man or woman to sin with their minds and their desires, and often with their bodies. If Jesus told us to guard our hearts by gouging out our eyes to prevent lust, how much more would he say, “Don’t watch it!”

4. Is It Not Satisfying to Think on What Is Honorable?
Life in Christ is not mainly the avoidance of evil, but mainly the passionate pursuit of good. Remember Philippians 4:8, “whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things.”

My life is not a constrained life. It is a free life. “For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another” (Galatians 5:13).

5. Am I Longing to See God?
I want to see and know God as fully as possible in this life and the next. Watching nudity is a huge hindrance to that pursuit. “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God” (Matthew 5:8). The defilement of the mind and heart by watching nudity dulls the heart’s ability to see and enjoy God. I dare anyone to watch nudity and turn straight to God and give him thanks and enjoy him more because of what you just experienced.

6. Do I Care About the Souls of the Nudes?
God calls women to “adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control” (1 Timothy 2:9). When we pursue or receive or embrace nudity in our entertainment, we are implicitly endorsing the sin of the women who sell themselves to this way and are, therefore, uncaring about their souls. They disobey 1 Timothy 2:9, and we say that’s okay.

7. Would I Be Glad If My Daughter Played This Role?
Most Christians are hypocrites in watching nudity because, on the one hand, they say by their watching that this is okay, and, on the other hand, they know deep down they would not want their daughter or their wife or their girlfriend to be playing this role. That is hypocrisy.

8. Am I Assuming Nudity Can Be Faked?
Nudity is not like murder and violence on the screen. Violence on a screen is make-believe; nobody really gets killed. But nudity is not make-believe. These actresses are really naked in front of the camera, doing exactly what the director says to do with their legs and their hands and their breasts. And they are naked in front of millions of people to see.

9. Am I Compromising the Beauty of Sex?
Sexual relations is a beautiful thing. God created it and pronounced it good (1 Timothy 4:3). But it is not a spectator sport. It is a holy joy that is sacred in its secure place of tender love. Men and women who want to be watched in their nudity are in the category with exhibitionists who pull down their pants at the top of escalators.

10. Am I Assuming Nudity Is Necessary for Good Art?
There is no great film or television series that needs nudity to add to its greatness. No. There isn’t. There are creative ways to be true to reality without turning sex into a spectator’s sport and without putting actors and actresses in morally compromised situations on the set.

It is not artistic integrity that is driving nudity on the screen. Underneath all of this is male sexual appetite driving this business, and following from that is peer pressure in the industry and the desire for ratings that sell. It is not art that puts nudity in film; it’s the appeal of prurience. It sells.

11. Am I Craving Acceptance?
Christians do not watch nudity with a view to maximizing holiness. That is not what keeps them coming back to the shows. They know deep down that these television shows or these movies are shot through with the commendation and exaltation of attitudes and actions that are utterly out of step with death to self and out of step with the exaltation of Christ.

No, what keeps those Christians coming back is the fear that if they take Christ at his word and make holiness as serious as I am saying it is, they would have to stop seeing so many television shows and so many movies, and they would be viewed as freakish. And that today is the worst evil of all. To be seen as freakish is a much greater evil than to be unholy.

12. Am I Free from Doubt?
There is one biblical guideline that makes life very simple: “But whoever has doubts is condemned if he eats, because the eating is not from faith. For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin” (Romans 14:32). My paraphrase: If you doubt, don’t. That would alter the viewing habits of millions and, oh, how sweetly they would sleep with their conscience.

So, I say it again. Join me in the pursuit of the kind of purity that sees God, and knows the fullness of joy in his presence and the everlasting pleasure at his right hand.

John Piper, Desiring God 19 Comments [4/8/2019 4:52:59 AM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 143166

movie Black Panther is breaking massive records at the box office. The black community feels that they are finally represented. But is there more at play? Why all of the sudden now does Hollywood want to promote black strength? Most of us aren't asking these questions. Black Panther is a movie serving witchcraft and the occult to the black community as being normal. Most of us don't realize it because we"re so caught up with our blackness, we put it before our God. Our blackness is an idol and it prevents us from seeing things clearly.

Truthunedited, Youtube 12 Comments [4/8/2019 4:49:34 AM]
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Submitted By: FSM

Quote# 143164

Headline: "Alex Jones lawyer: If you want INFOWARS host silenced, you're scarier than he is..."

(link goes here: https://www.courant.com/opinion/op-ed/hc-op-norm-pattis-alex-jones-0406-20190405-howpjy3tq5eqhcvttscjbcawhq-story.html)

A.Marie:

Caption: "The two biggest things that led to the creation of our nation are the two biggest things Democrats want to get rid of." Image shows a gun and a Bible.

Lady Checkmate:
I don't support Jones' attacks against Michelle Obama, but I support his right to operate his community as he sees fit. No one has a right to tell him how to operate his community nor what he may say in his community. If they don't like his messages, articles, OPs, graphics, etc., then they should visit a community they like. No one is forcing them to visit his community. If they choose to visit his community, violate the rules of his community and are removed, then that's not censorship...that's to be expected going in. They know this (just like we do) and are only there to stalk, harass, and try to get him removed. but (LOL), he doesn't seem like the type to fold to weak cry-bullies. I respect that.


Caption: "We are with you Alex Jones".


Girl says in one frame, "Hi! I'm a liberal, and I'm soooo tolerant! I would never EVER judge someone or hate them for their religion/race/politics/STUFF." In second frame same girl says, "OMGOSH. You Christian Conservative Republican people are SO racist, homophobic and ignorant!! I wish you'd all come to your senses!! GEEZE!"


Photo of Alex Jones with the quote, "What I want to say is this...I want to say this out in the open...I support the Jewish state of Israel...they have been on that land...that is their land."

Amos Moses/Lady Checkmate, Disqus - News Network 15 Comments [4/8/2019 4:48:53 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 143161

Homeopathic Proving Of Plutonium

Pluto, son of Uranus,(Chronos), was eaten by his own father before being spewed out from the darkness of his parent's belly. The God Pluto, worshipped by the Romans, rules in the depths - where the souls of the dead are trapped. This myth powerfully embodies a connection with deep and heavy ancestral roots. A central theme of Plutonium is a deep feeling of suffering originating from one's forefathers, like a punishment echoing down the generations. Hence its affinity with DNA, bone marrow, and very serious pathologies such as Cancers, Leukaemia, Radiation, AIDS, Thyroid problems and deep mental pathologies. Heaviness, fatigue and burdened responsibility show up in the Proving, alongside lightness and floating - confirming its up / down axis, and similarities with other remedies such as Helium and Hydrogen.
Plutonium is, of course, a remedy for our times - where nuclear arms proliferation runs amok alongside our toxic environment, made ever more so as nuclear reactors spew out their 24,000-plus years of indestructible waste into it.
This very thorough proving will give you an insight into the element, planet, mythology, astrology and themes of Plutonium. There is also a look at some successful cases - together with radioactive isotopes as a group and their effects on cellular tissue, and some not so well known factoids regarding the effects of radiation from Chernobyl.
A fascinating Must-Read of enormous relevance to today's patients.

J. Sherr, Helios Homœpathy 22 Comments [4/7/2019 8:22:43 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 143156

In this vision I was over a great city; high above it, many miles above. Wisdom called out to me and said, "Come with me and I will show you the contention over this city."

"This city," he said, "is being contended for, but the contention is not for the buildings nor is it for the plots of land or the precious things in the city. The contention is for the eternal souls of men. Other things are merely used as distractions and control tools to wage this war. The saints must contend for the souls of men and cry out on their behalf to the Lord, because the wicked (though many of them do not know this) are contending on behalf of Satan, the prince of darkness."

As Wisdom spoke, my eyes were opened and I saw a pillar of smoke six thousand feet in diameter. I instantly knew the measurement of it. But I could not tell how far up this pillar was stretched. As far as I could perceive, it was endless in its length stretching into the heavens. It was bold. It was massive, thick, dark and billowing as if it was coming from the fires of a thousand mountains of rubber tires burning from the earth. It was quite an overwhelming sight. As we came closer to this smoke, Wisdom stretched out His hand and touched my nose. "I will let you smell the smoke just a little so that your testimony will be complete. The full weight of the smell you cannot bear." With this, He shielded me from the full weight of the smell of this smoke. Even so, the stench of the smoke was worse than anything I had ever smelled before. It was intense and sickening. This smell was many times worse than the stench I perceived in Hell. The stench was as overwhelming as the size of the pillar.
The smoke was not only dark and horrible in odor but it was also raging like a tornado. When I looked closely, the smoke was alive. It had a life of its own. It had a mouth, hands, legs, wings and hideous eyes. Yet when I came closer, I saw that within this entity were many other entities: devils and demons. This pillar of smoke was also a doorway into the heavens. There were ladders that went up and down; down all the way into the pit and up all the way into the heavens. Seeing and smelling this smoke, I wanted so badly to find out where it came from. Wisdom, knowing the thoughts of my heart, touched me again and showed me the city we were directly over. As I gazed towards the city my eyes opened and I saw tributaries of this smoke coming from thousands of locations merging together to form one pillar, one voice and to empower this one entity that empowers many other entities under him. There were small streams of smoke coming from homes, work places, schools, and individuals walking the streets. Every time any sin is committed, this smoke of rebellion and defiance is released against the Lord God Almighty. The many wicked and unrighteous activities done in this city were ascending to the God of heaven. Every stream of smoke was tagged with the practice that brought it up, and together, these streams were assembled to form a force that raged against the Lord God Almighty and against men and women created in His image. As the smoke rose up into the heavens their single chorus was: “Leave us alone, we want to do as we please. Your laws, your commandments and government are too much for us. They would not let us freely and fully exercise the wishes of our hearts. We want our own way, our own laws, our own rulers, and we want them to be according to the disposition of our hearts. We are a free people. You are a slave master, a controlling Lord, a hard-to-please King, a demanding One, and you do not understand us. You cross our lives and you ask for too much from us. You demand that we eat your flesh, drink your blood, hate our mothers and our fathers, change our lifestyles, just to follow you. You bind our lives to your rigid laws just to please you. We do not want you. If indeed you made the earth, Thank You and well done, but we will take it from here. We can run it from here; we do not need you at the helm anymore. We will serve whoever will give us peace, prosperity, long and good life but will also let us live our lives to the full content of our own pleasing. Whoever that person is let his kingdom come and let his will be done on earth. WE WANT A GOOD LIFE WITH NO TYRANT BOSS, THAT’S ALL. We give permission as the citizens of earth and of this region to the candidate that promises to fulfill our requirements so he can rule over us.” This is the anthem of a rebellious and wicked heart, from where these smokes proceeded.

With these and many other words the little streams of smoke, each loudly declaring their loyalty to the prince of darkness, ascended to join the pillar. Totally unawares, these literally hand over the earth—region by region—to Satan without even understanding what they are doing or knowing the deep consequences of their actions. Vote by vote, men and women vote Satan and his loyal representatives into ruling their lives. But they vote the Lord, the King of Righteousness out, cursing his great name through each thought, word and deed. They vote the Merciful King of Righteousness and those that represent him out of their lives, calling them hate-mongers. Yet the Lord God Almighty patiently waits at the door knocking (almost like a beggar, but He is a King who for the sake of love begs—for He is lovesick after His own) and hoping that the door will be opened for Him to come in and heal, restore, save, sanctify and reconcile. It is not His will that anyone should perish.

Michael ChristisKing, The War and the Stampede (book) 11 Comments [4/7/2019 8:22:35 AM]
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Submitted By: Denizen

Quote# 143157

It seems to me that atheism is, if properly considered, treason.

In countries with the Queen as Head of State, she is held to be ‘Queen by the Grace of God’. In the USA, the Pledge of Allegiance involves expressing belief in ‘one nation united under God.’ It seems that by believing the God does not exist, a rejection of the notion of the Sovereign Divine Right of the Crown is negated, as well as the notion of a ‘nation united under God.’ Therefore, it seems that atheists are guilty, ipso facto, of treason, at least in the USA and Commonwealth countries.

Qoeleth, Catholic Answers 15 Comments [4/7/2019 4:48:37 AM]
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Submitted By: kumala

Quote# 143148

(Amos and Doug fighting about free will)

Doug Bristow:
Sorry my friend and brother in Christ but you are wrong on this one.
A child can tell you what free will is. God is LOVE. He created us out of love. He loves us and wants us to love Him. That is why He gave us free will because without free will there is no love; only a pre-programmed response. We can choose to love God by accepting His son Christ Jesus or we can choose not to love God by rejecting His son and thereby reject Him in the process.
To borrow from an insurance commercial...it is so easy a caveman can understand it

Amos Moses:
"we can choose not to love God by rejecting His son and thereby reject Him in the process."
unscriptural ........ it is not our choice ... it is Gods choice .... His sheep are not His sheep because they volunteered and did a good work by volunteering ....... by saying a sinners prayer ... there are no magic words or incantations .... God has ALWAYS had a CHOSEN people .... and do you know why ... because HE CHOSE THEM ... we did not choose Him .... our nature prevents us ..... the unregenerate man does not want to be seen as a fool .... and the things of God are foolishness to that man ......BTW ... free will is NOT spiritual and is not spiritually discerned .... it is idolatry ...

Doug Bristow:
John 3:16-17 New King James Version (NKJV)
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

Amos Moses:
how did you make that "free will decision" BEFORE you were even created .................
Eph
1:4 According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein He hath made us accepted in the beloved.

Doug Bristow:
We are all chosen for the offer of eternal life through Christ but sadly not all will accept.

Amos Moses:
no ... the offer is to all men but only the elect are chosen by God ..... and it says so outright in Ephesians .... He chooses His sheep .... the sheep do not chose their shepherd ....

Doug Bristow:
Where in Ephesians?

Amos Moses:
Ephesians
1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
1:4 According as He hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, (not our will)
1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
1:8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, (not our will) according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of Him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: (not our will)
1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

you were counted as saved even before you were created .... before the entire creation was created .... before you had any body, mind and soul to choose ...... as Gods plan .... that is the potters freedom .... the potter (God) who formed you from the clay ....

Doug Bristow:
Thats what I have been telling you. We are all predestined.

Amos Moses:
again ... that does not affirm "free will" ..... and that is not addressing all of humanity .... it addresses the Elect .... because only the elect are the "whoever" .... all men are called to do right by their God given conscience .... as a general call .... which the unregenerate ignore .... and what you are quoting does not address how fallen men decide what their choice is ... they have choice .... but they have a choice informed by their fallen nature not a philosophical "free will" .... and they cannot violate their nature until God changes that nature .........but Doug .... scripture says not one word about free will ..... and you have not shown by scripture that they do ... mans choices are dictated by his nature .... and until God changes that nature they are not able to choose God .... God makes them able because HE does the choosing .... the sheep do not choose their shepherd ...For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, that no one should boast. Eph (2:8–9)
faith and grace are Gods gifts ....... it is Gods actions that save us as it says faith and grace are not from us ..... faith and grace are not our works .... but your "free will choice" IS ............. God saves us ... NOT because of our "free will decision" ..... but IN SPITE of it ............

Doug Bristow:
It does affirm free will and it does address all of humanity but not all of humanity will choose to accept

Amos Moses:
you are reading into what you want to believe ... not what the text says .... and that is improper .....

Doug Bristow:
The whole world and whosoever.....

Amos Moses:
and the whosoever is only the elect .... because they are the ones CHOSEN by Him .... as He does the choosing .........

only the elect are the whosoever as they are the only ones God created out of all of humankind to be saved .... He created them to be saved and He created others to be destroyed .... and He did all this before the creation was created .....

Doug Bristow:
Your interpretation of scripture does not conform with John 3:16-17 and since God is not the author of confusion you are wrong.

Amos Moses/Doug Bristow, Disqus - Faith & Religion 15 Comments [4/6/2019 10:36:02 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 143147

Land of the Setting Sun



(Picture shows police arresting a man who possesses a bag labelled BIOHAZARD and a London bobby is seen taking a Bible out of it. A broken sign on it reads "Jesus Saves". Behind the scene a Muslim man chases a lady with a large knife but the police (4 of them) are tied up with the Christian man. A woman wearing a sign that says "KHE" points at the Christian man saying "That citizen called me a little lady!" In the foreground Rod Serling says, "This is London, 2019, where the sun long ago set on the British Empire. To their betrayal of Israel shortly after the first Great War they've now added total war on Christianity. It's a place where children are urged to wear 'pronoun badges' to specify how they demand to be addressed, and woe to those who won't bend the knee; where Tribulation police are getting their sea legs for that big event just around the corner. This...is the Twilight Zone.")

Mick Williams, Disqus - Faith & Religion 19 Comments [4/6/2019 10:35:59 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 143138

How I Overcame Homosexuality by Kegan Wesley

Kegan Wesley was raped at 10 years-old by several homosexual men, he lead an LGBT lifestyle for many years, until he met Jesus Christ at an Eddie James concert. He now speaks to thousands about how Christ completed and restored him, and how Christians can serve ...

This is not a message of hate, but of love - how Jesus Christ loved Kegan to life and freedom.

The power of Jesus will change your life!

https://youtu.be/I4ldL3KjaUE

Don't forget to RECOMMEND. Lets get the Truth out so that Light may shine bright in this dark place and Jesus Christ may be glorified. Even if the discussion is closed, please still RECOMMEND.

Lady Checkmate, Disqus - Faith & Religion 14 Comments [4/6/2019 10:33:55 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 142833

response to article
Submitted by American College of Pediatricians on June 7, 2017 - 10:39am
The American College of Pediatricians is a professional organization confident in the science we present and in the traditional ethics we uphold. In the past, we have typically directed critics to the relevant content on our website. Mr. Jack Turban that is not only libelous, but also denies the fact that untold numbers of American children are being experimented upon, and many of them permanently sterilized, under the guise of treating a largely transient disorder known as Gender Dysphoria of Childhood. This warrants a more public response.

The American College of Pediatricians has held true to its founding principles summarized by its slogan, “Best for Children.” The College has also endured ad hominem attacks for making factual statements that threaten agendas which promote the wants of adults over the needs of children. Attacking the messenger is a tactic commonly used by those who cannot refute a truthful message. Labels, such as hate group, extremist, right wing, miniscule, Christian fundamentalist, and deceptively named, reveal desperate attempts to deflect attention away from facts that undermine a desired agenda.

The American College of Pediatricians is precisely what its name implies: a national nonsectarian organization of child and adolescent physicians and health professionals. We have never surveyed the religious identities of our membership, nor attempted to attract physicians of a given religion. In fact, members of our Board of Directors and various committees have identified themselves as Christian, Jewish, Muslim and Buddhist. We are physicians and healthcare professionals united by a commitment to traditional Hippocratic medicine; a medical tradition that respects life from conception to natural death and provides care to all patients, as delineated in our Statement of Inclusiveness. It is true that we are relatively smaller than other medical organizations; we have 500 members and counting. Ultimately, however, this is irrelevant to the veracity of our statements; sound science and ethics are not determined by majority vote.

Responsible journalism requires thorough investigation of the subject at hand. This appears lacking with Mr. Turban’s report on the ACPeds. He and others have expressed deep concern over our very legitimate name, yet they erroneously designate us as the “ACP,” which stands for the American College of Physicians. Our proper designation is ACPeds. Our web address, pretty much gives it away. Then again, most of our detractors have never bothered to give our website, position statements, let alone any of the hundreds of scientific references there, a careful read. Were they to do so, they would realize how easily their alternative facts would be refuted, particularly those regarding Gender Dysphoria in Children.

Yes, Mr. Turban, prior to the widespread promotion of transgender affirmation, 75 - 95 percent of prepubertal children with Gender Dysphoria eventually outgrew that distress. The vast majority came to accept their biological sex by late adolescence after passing naturally through puberty. The alternative fact, recently put forth by activists, that large numbers of children who desisted were actually “misdiagnosed” with Gender Dysphoria is debunked by data in Dr. Devita Singh’s doctoral thesis, and also by Dr. T.D. Steensma et. al., as noted in slides 23-25 of our Gender Dysphoria power point.

Yes, Mr. Turban, children diagnosed with Gender Dysphoria pre-pubertally are permanently sterilized when the World Professional Association for Transgender Health and Pediatric Endocrine Society Guidelines are followed. According to these Guidelines, children are placed on puberty blockers as early as Tanner stage II of puberty (as young as age 11) and then placed directly on cross-sex hormones by age 16. An article by Dr. A. Evan Eyler, referenced in our full position statement, confirms that children administered blockers beginning at Tanner stage II and seamlessly transitioned to cross-sex hormones are prevented from producing gonadal tissue (eggs or sperm) for cryopreservation. They will be unable to have genetic offspring of their own even with artificial reproductive technology.

There is an obvious self-fulfilling effect in helping children to impersonate the opposite sex both socially and pharmacologically. Logic leads one to predict that most, if not all, pre-pubertal gender dysphoric children treated in this way will lose the potential to identify with their biological sex, and instead go on to claim a transgender identity. As noted in our position statement, the single follow-up study of such children finds just that; 100% of the pre-pubertal children placed on the social affirmation/puberty blocker protocol failed to desist.

According to the APA Handbook of Sexuality and Psychology (2014), among those youth who did resolve their Gender Dysphoria prior to the present-day transgender affirmation ethos, 63 - 100% of boys would identify as gay adults, and 32-50% of the girls would identify as lesbian by young adulthood. Affirming pre-pubertal gender dysphoric children as transgender potentially translates into a significant percentage of LGB adults being sterilized. Consequently, some members of the LGB community stand with the ACPeds against this “transgendering of children” which they view as nothing less than the single greatest form of homophobic hatred, namely, eugenics.
Contrary to popular belief, there is no evidence that the elevated rates of mental illness and suicide among transgender-identified youth and adults are due solely, or even predominately, to societal prejudice or discrimination. At least one 2008 study by LGBT-affirming researchers, noted in our Gender Dysphoria position statement, found these factors not to be causative. Mr. Turban’s article also alleges that the College has ignored evidence that transition improves mental health in gender dysphoric children. The “evidence” consists of two small short term studies that contain methodological flaws, and therefore, prove no such thing. There is also no scientifically rigorous, large, prospective or sufficiently longitudinal evidence that transition of gender dysphoric children prevents suicide in the long term. However, there is long-term research on the mental health of adults who transitioned with Gender Dysphoria. This reveals that despite initial relief of the dysphoria, one or more decades after transition, they often present with worse mental health than that of the general population, including a suicide rate nearly twenty times greater. This observation raises more questions than it answers, and should, therefore, give pediatric health professionals great pause- at least those who value evidence-based medicine and are dedicated to ‘first do no harm’.

Some members of the transgender community recognize this and have expressed solidarity with the ACPeds. Rene Jax, a Male to Female Trans author, wrote:

"Dear Dr. Cretella,
Chemical castration, sterilization and surgical mutilation are more than just words to me. They are personal and brutal realities; no child should be subjected to this. Thank you."

The ACPeds has also been contacted by clinicians and academic physicians across the political spectrum, including LGB affirming clinicians. They have expressed their gratitude to the ACPeds for saying publicly what they cannot. Division chairs in psychology and sociology, and many pediatric endocrinologists have told us that to stand for science and go against transgender group think is professional suicide and often results in relentless harassment including death threats.

Belief is in the mind; not in the body. Everyone knows that thinking or feeling that something is true does not make it true. When people consistently and persistently insist something that is contrary to physical reality, they are, at best, confused, or at worst, delusional. According to the alternative logic of transgender experts, however, this is true in every instance except where biological sex is concerned. In this case alone, the persistent and consistent insistence of something contrary to physical reality is definitive proof of the metaphysical claim that an immaterial essence, or in the words of Dr. John Money, “[an] internal sexed identity” is trapped in the wrong body. This foundational claim of transgender medicine has far more in common with a quasi-religion than it has with evidence-based science. How much longer will society sacrifice the health of its children upon these altars?

Michelle Cretella, MD, FCP President

Michelle Cretella, Psychology Today 8 Comments [4/5/2019 4:33:11 PM]
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Cardinal George Pell’s December 2018 conviction on charges of “historic sexual abuse” was a travesty of justice, thanks in part to a public atmosphere of hysterical anti-Catholicism—a fetid climate that had a devastating impact on the possibility of his receiving a fair trial.

How else does one explain how 12 jurors, presented with uncorroborated charges refuted by overwhelming evidence that the alleged crimes could not have happened, completely reversed the overwhelming pro-acquittal vote delivered by a hung jury in the cardinal’s first trial last year?

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[LifeFuel] New Islamic criminal laws in Brunei allowing death by stoning or whipping for gay sex come into force today.

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