Re: Liberal feminists are so predictable I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
This is literally what happened to me when I was younger - well, I recognized the whole trans thing didn’t make sense. “TERF” wasn’t a thing back then. I found more people that agreed with me and then I found a version of feminism that really resonated with me: radical feminism. But everyone hated them. So, I whistled while I walked away and didn’t look back for years.
Liberal feminism has gotten a lot more aggressive than it ever was. You used to be able to find people discussing it, discussing their honest feelings (“I don’t really FEEL like a woman; I just like looking like one,”), and people debating with respect.
It’s so weird.
The irony is that the context of the aforementioned thread was I was talking about how anti-feminists claim to support intellectualism and being well-read when talking about how well read St. Jordan Peterson is, but dismiss any literature that contradicts their pre-established conclusions. Everyone in the generally progressive sub was agreeing with me, but once I mentioned rad fem literature everyone... immediately dismissed it, funnily enough.
Lib Fems pretty much forced me to become radical feminist. I remember I had a youtube channel where I used to just post very casual off the cuff videos and one time I made a video literally just saying, "Hey guys... maybe we should actually engage gender critical feminists in debates, rather than just calling them bigots and shutting them out."
The video got loads of thumbs down and some guy who had been I subscriber for ages commented saying I was literally responsible for transgender people committing suicide... just because I said we should actually talk to gender critical people.
By contrast every radical feminist community I've found so far has been incredibly accepting. This is actually one of the few places on the internet where I don't feel like I'm wrong one word away from a downvote avalanche.
Edit: how ironic that I mistyped the phrase "one wrong word"
Yes indeed! And downvotes are one thing, but what I ''feared'' before I found radical feminism was just the abuse that you get if you say one word that's considered wrong. They made me feel like I was walking on egg shells, and that their ideology was suffocating and full of arbitrary rules, that also changed arbitrarily.
One thing that I did learn from that crowd, was the value of basic human respect. You don't make the world any better if you borderline bully someone for some honest, tiny infraction, you don't make the space more pleasant when well-meaning and sincere people get treated like witches because they used the word ''crazy'' or because they wrote ''transwoman'' instead of ''trans woman''.
These people have no respect as I see it; I think that there's something inherently disrespectful about bullying people into compliance, feeling entitled to be incredibly rude and hostile for ridiculous reasons, and always assuming the very worst about people you disagree with.
Thus, I rarely even participated in their discussions. They reminded me of my past abusers.
The ideologies are straight from The Abuser's Handbook. Same tactics couple with cult strategies to keep people ever guessing, ever trying, ever in line.
Good little libfems *pats heads* good little libfems, you're doing the
mens' work and we appreciate most of all that you do not think for yourselves.
Yes! And, while they talk about inclusion, they fail to recognize that they are incredible elitists. If someone says something "wrong" (because god forbid they don't spend all their time reading woke thinkpieces) that person is immediately jumped on, rather than engaged in a discussion or provided with resources. Or, if they deign to explain, it is incredibly condescending.
I understand there may always be an elitist aspect to certain feminist discussion. But I think one of the reasons people swing to the extreme right is no one wants to be treated like they're stupid. Or called a bigot for disagreeing or having different ideas. I understand wanting no part a "movement" that forces you to walk on eggshells and allows for zero difference in ideas. I know every movement is vulnerable to ideological puritanism, but I see radical feminists as people who are generally able to disagree respectfully and who actually talk through differences in opinion rather than immediately jumping to "YOU'RE A BAD PERSON" and name calling. It's one of the things I appreciated about this sub when I first started lurking. Even though some things were shocking to me (just being so used to "trans women are women" it was a shock to the system seeing them referred to as males), I kept reading and learning because of the way people conduct themselves here. "Ohhhh these women actually care about putting women first!".
I'm convinced that libfems have so much anger towards radfems because the majority of us actually do research and have well rounded opinions. A lot of libfems really don't know shit about the history of feminism, all of their talking points come from Tumblr/social media in general and they dismiss 2nd wave feminism as "old TERF bullshit" even though those are the women that helped get the right to vote and better access to healthcare.
Libfems are the definition of birdbrained. The men need them tho: that water won't carry itself!
How I love that they compare THEMSELVES to the handmaidens when they are the aunts.
various TERFs, r/GenderCritical 4 Comments
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