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Quote# 140997

Martin: That article is utter nonsense. Homosexuality is not innate, it is a chosen behaviour.

DavidS: When did you choose to be heterosexual?

Martin: I chose not to sin with a person who was not my wife.

DavidS: When did you choose you were going to be exclusively attracted to women?

Martin: The ultimate pathetic argument. I suggest you reread my last post.

DavidS: Typical avoidance tactics from you - do you have a phobia to answering questions? Perhaps an allergy? Does answering questions make you come out in a rash which is why you use avoidance and distraction tactics?
When did you choose you were going to be exclusively attracted to women?

Martin: Again
Read what I wrote above. The basis on which you ask your question is wrong, making the question meaningless.

DavidS: I see, going out of your way to avoid answering the question, because you have no real answer.
I suspect the honest answer (if you were ever able to give one) would be that you didn't choose because your sexuality is just a natural part of who you are, just as homosexuality is a natural part of who a person is. Or perhaps you haven't chosen, and are ignoring your true sexuality which might explain a lot. Studies have shown those who strongly oppose homosexuality often do it out of self-loathing and non-acceptance of their own true sexuality.

Martin: David
Can you show me where Jesus spoke of sexuality? Of course you can't, He didn't because it doesn't exist. He spoke of a man and woman marrying and becoming one, yet He never spoke of gay marriage. He knew that homosexuality is nothing more that sexual sin, like adultery or paedophilia, a rejection of God's design for mankind.
There is only one reason you speak of sexuality, and that is to excuse sin. There are no loving monogamous homosexual relationships, just people satisfying their lust.
So carry on with your little god and your little jesus that you have created. But remember this, one day you will have to stand before the real Lord Jesus Christ who will judge you on what you have done. On that day He will tell you that He never knew you.

Martin, Archbishop Cranmer 21 Comments [10/20/2018 1:40:15 PM]
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Submitted By: CC

Quote# 140996

China says interning Muslims brings them into ‘modern’ world

BEIJING — China on Tuesday characterized its mass internment of Muslims as a push to bring into the “modern, civilized” world a destitute people who are easily led astray — a depiction that analysts said bore troubling colonial overtones.

The report is the ruling Communist Party’s latest effort to defend its extrajudicial detention of Central Asian Muslim minorities against mounting criticism.

The report by the official Xinhua News Agency indicated that key to the party’s vision in Xinjiang is the assimilation of the indigenous Central Asian ethnic minorities into Han Chinese society — and in turn, a “modern” lifestyle.

Xinjiang Gov. Shohrat Zakir said the authorities were providing people with lessons on Mandarin, Chinese history and laws. Such training would steer them away from extremism and onto the path toward a “modern life” in which they would feel “confident about the future,” he said.

“It’s become a general trend for them to expect and pursue a modern, civilized life,” Zakir said, referring to the trainees. He said the measures are part of a broader policy to build a “foundation for completely solving the deeply-rooted problems” in the region.

In the Xinhua report, Zakir said authorities provide free vocational training in skills geared toward manufacturing, food and service industries. Zakir said “trainees” are paid a basic income during the training, in which free food and accommodations are provided.

The report appeared aimed at disputing accounts provided by former detainees, who have said they were held in political indoctrination camps where they were forced to denounce Islam and profess loyalty to the party.

Ethnic Uighurs and Kazakhs have told The Associated Press that ostensibly innocuous acts such as praying regularly, viewing a foreign website or taking phone calls from relatives abroad could land one in a camp.

Zakir said the training centers were for people “who are influenced by terrorism and extremism, and those suspected of minor criminal offenses” who could be exempted from criminal punishment.

Zakir did not say whether such individuals were ever formally charged with any crime or provided a chance to defend themselves against the allegations. The report also did not say if attendance was mandatory, though former detainees have said they were forcibly held in centers policed by armed guards.

Zakir did not say how many people were in such courses, but said some would be able to complete their courses this year.

Zakir seemed to try to counter reports of poor living conditions within the camps, saying that “trainees” were immersed in athletic and cultural activities. The centers’ cafeterias provide “nutritious, free diets,” and dormitories are fully equipped with TVs, air conditioning and showers, he said.

Omir Bekali, a Xinjiang-born Kazakh citizen, said he was kept in a cell with 40 people inside a heavily guarded facility.

Bekali said he was kept in a locked room with eight other internees. They shared beds and a wretched toilet. Baths were rare.

Before meals, they were told to chant “Thank the party! Thank the motherland!” During daily mandatory classes, they were told that their people were backward before being “liberated” by the party in the 1950s.

Shohrat Zakir, The Washington Post 5 Comments [10/20/2018 1:36:36 PM]
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Quote# 140990

The homosexual community are infested with masculine females and effeminate males.

This very fact evidences that homosexuality is against nature. When two lesbians cohabit, one always assumes the male dominant role. Masculine lesbians are called “dykes” or a “butch.” Likewise, the same is true for two homosexual men, but in this case, one male takes on a female role (thus becoming effeminate). This sick reality proves that no one is born “that way.” In any homosexual relationship, one partner will always assume the male role and the other a female role.

The reason why homosexual men often grow large mustaches is to simulate the female's sex organ during oral sex with another man. That's the gross and harsh reality of homosexuality. Nature itself teaches that homosexuality is a sick, bizarre, abnormal, demented, Godless form of perversion. God hates all sin, including homosexuality.

The lowest point that any society can deteriorate to is a homosexual culture. Most Americans don't realize the extent to which America has sunk low in wickedness. Parents are paranoid nationwide about sex-perverts raping their children. There is an irrefutable connection between open sexual immorality, homosexuality and pedophile. Sexual immorality always preys upon innocence. Pedophilia is the natural trend of homosexuality, because it is perversion. One perversion invites another.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 26 Comments [10/18/2018 5:15:11 PM]
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Quote# 140987

Mary Shinn: Well, doesn’t matter our “stand”, we are the created. God has revealed marriage is between a man and a woman, -not- between a man and a man or a woman and a woman. There are a list of verses from the Old Testsment as evidence, here is one from the New Testsment referring to the New Covenant, the time we are in;
1 Corinthians 7:2
But for fear of fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
[1 Corinthians 7:2]

TS (unami): Please quote Jesus ever saying anything negative about LGBT people...

Mary Shinn : LGBT people, God makes - -none- - of the four. Thinking you are one of or more of the four is a disorder. Bisexual and Transgender are modern disorders.
God is loving and far more merciful than we are, repent, get right with Him for It says
in the Gospel in two places, >>unrepentant<< sodomites are in hell. God loves the sinner not the act (sodomy). Confess to God this grave sin and remain celibate until you die or far better, have a change of heart concerning the teachings of Our Lord. Believe.
Jude 6-8
And the angels who kept not their principality, but forsook their own habitation, he hath reserved under darkness in everlasting chains, unto the judgment of the great day. [7]As Sodom and Gomorrha, and the neighbouring cities, in like manner,
having given themselves to fornication, and going after other flesh, were made
an example, suffering the punishment of eternal fire. [8] In like manner these men also defile the flesh, and despise dominion, and blaspheme majesty.
2 Peter 2: 4-6
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but delivered them, drawn down by infernal ropes to the lower hell, unto torments, to be reserved unto judgment: [5]And spared not the original world, but preserved Noe, the the eighth person, the preacher of justice, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly. [6]And reducing the cities of the Sodomites, and of the Gomorrhites, into ashes, condemned them to be overthrown, making them an example to those that should after act wickedly,

TS (unami): Wow.
What arrogance.
Listen, you aren't God and you sure don't speak for Him.
God made a WIDE variety of human beings and (surprise!) they're not all little clones of *you*.

Mary Shinn: You are not God either. You do not care for those verses from the written Word. Be wise and follow them. How is it set up? When we sin, we must confess that sin to God. If you say no now, just remember when the prophesied divine "awakening" happens. God can show the entire world, how easy for Him.
He loves you very much TS (unami).

Mary Shinn, Global Religons 10 Comments [10/18/2018 6:02:06 AM]
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Quote# 140984

(He's referring to Taylor Swift)

A pop deva descending deeper and deeper into darkness.

By the time she is 40 she will be a complete mess like Jackson, Winehouse, etc.

The devil knows when to take them. When they are completely his.

King Wenceslas, Cathinfo 19 Comments [10/18/2018 5:59:28 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 140983

Ah. Well here in Texas, YEC's are pretty common. Majority of my friends believe the book of Genesis to be literal, as do I. My country in general though? About the same... social media on the other hand. It seems to embolden the atheists since the risk of experiencing rightous retribution for showing dissent towards creation is lower. OEC's aren't as common but can still be an annoyance.

Referring to what I think should change? I'd still tart putting regulations on anti YEC speech. At first it would be little things like paying a fine if caught mocking or scoffing at the validity of Genesis. If that's not enough to quell the majority of anti creationist sentiment in society, I'd go with more extreme punishments. Community service, public humiliation, jail time, and even short prison sentences for the most notorious offenders.

ChirpingBirb, r/creation 18 Comments [10/18/2018 5:59:22 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 140981

Not really. Most of us (and most conservatives through history) haven’t given a damn what a person does in the privacy of their own home. It’s only after they started telling us all they needed special privileges and became missionaries for homosexuality that we objected.

“Homosexual” and “missionary” may be oxymoronic however.

bigbob, Free Republic 11 Comments [10/18/2018 5:59:06 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 140980

I was referring to the Kaafir who wants to elope with a sister,

Teaching him a lesson is assault according to you, I'm not so sure if the Shariah would see it that way,

Sins have punishments associated with them, I'm sure you know this, so we cant make blanket claims to say its assault to teach a Kaafir a lesson,

Yiur speaking from western law, not the Shariah,

According to the Shariah teaching a Kaafir who wants to elope with a sister a lesson, isn't Assault.

Saif-Uddin, Ummah 7 Comments [10/18/2018 5:58:44 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 140968

(commenting on story "Man Who Identifies as Woman Wins World Championship in Women's Cycling, 'It's Not Fair' Says Female Competitor"):

Amos Moses:
it still mystifies me .... how women .... who fought so hard to be able to have their own events and standing ..... are now allowing MEN to claim to be women ..... and are being allowed to destroy what they built ..... many "feminists" who again argue they are being "oppressed" by the patriarchy ..... are allowing the faux-women to destroy what they say they are opposed to ..... and it is all in the name of "tolerance" ......

what it really boils down to is this ..... this is a hatred of women ..... it is a hatred of masculinity .... it is a rejection of all truth ..... it is a rejection of science and biology .....it is a rejection of any rational thought ..... and all that was abandoned by the proponents of homomirage ..... and everyday we are seeing just how far that MIRAGE is affecting society in general ..... if you reject the foundations on which rests all that we have .... where is there for you to stand ..........

homomirage is the gaping wound in society ..... all the rest are the pus and gangrene that the infection of that wound is spilling out of .........

Burt Toast:
No, once again you are bringing same-sex marriage into a story where that is not even mentioned. It's unrelated, there is no causal effect, and you're being very dishonest.

Amos Moses, Christian News Network 8 Comments [10/18/2018 5:54:12 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 140966

According to the Muslim holy (unholy) book, the Hadith, Muslims must never face Mecca while using the toilet and have strict rules on which hand to wipe themselves with. If they urinate on themselves and fail to wash (cleanse) themselves with water, they sincerely believe they'll go to hell. I used to work with a Muslim who took a quirt bottle with him to the bathroom all the time. He daily tossed his carpet down multiple times during breaks and faced Mecca, praying in cycle with the moon to his false moon god, Allah. No wonder Jesus said in Matthew 11:28, “Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.”

I was harassed severely at work for trying to witness to that Muslim man. Certain heathen coworkers hated my guts because I took a stand for the Lord, and persecuted me daily to the point of tears. Their attitude was the typical heretical New Age philosophy that all roads lead to Rome. May I say, all flights do not go to Dallas, Texas. Jesus is the ONLY way you'll ever get to Heaven (Acts 4:10-12). Of course, Muslims deny that Jesus is the Christ, nor do they believe that He even died upon the cross. I don't regret standing for the Lord, but I paid dearly for it and I know God will bless me for it...

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 20 Comments [10/18/2018 5:53:50 AM]
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Quote# 140965

Question: "What was the relationship between David and Jonathan?"

Answer: We know from 1 Samuel 18:1 that Jonathan loved David. Second Samuel 1:26 records David’s lament after Jonathan’s death, in which he said that his love for Jonathan was more wonderful than the love of a woman. Some use these two passages to suggest a homosexual relationship between David and Jonathan. This interpretation, however, should be rejected for at least three reasons.

First, the Hebrew word for “love” used here is not the typical word used for sexual activity. This word for “love” has clear political and diplomatic connotations (see 1 Samuel 16:21 and 1 Kings 5:1). Second, David’s comparison of his relationship with Jonathan with that of women is probably a reference to his experience with King Saul’s daughter. He was promised one of Saul’s daughters for killing Goliath. But Saul continued to add conditions upon this marriage with the underlying desire to have David killed in battle (1 Samuel 18:17, 25). The love David had received from Jonathan was greater than anything he could have received from Saul’s daughter. Third, the Bible clearly and consistently denounces homosexuality (Genesis 1:26-27; Leviticus 18:22; 20:13; Romans 1:18-25). Extolling a homosexual love between David and Jonathan would be contradicting the prohibitions of it found throughout the Bible.

The friendship between David and Jonathan was a covenantal relationship. In 1 Samuel 18:1-5, we read of David and Jonathan forming an agreement. In this agreement, Jonathan was to be second in command in David’s future reign, and David was to protect Jonathan’s family (1 Samuel 20:16-17, 42; 23:16-18).

Obviously, these two men were also very good friends. In their relationship we can see at least three qualities of true friendship. First, they sacrificed for one another. In 1 Samuel 18:4, we read that Jonathan gave David his clothes and military garb. The significance of this gift was that Jonathan recognized that David would one day be king of Israel. Rather than being envious or jealous, Jonathan submitted to God’s will and sacrificed his own right to the throne. Second, in 1 Samuel 19:1-3, we read of Jonathan’s loyalty toward and defense of David. King Saul told his followers to kill David. Jonathan rebuked his father and recalled David’s faithfulness to him in killing Goliath. Finally, Jonathan and David were also free to express their emotions with one another. In 1 Samuel 20, we read of a plan concocted by Jonathan to reveal his father’s plans toward David. Jonathan was going to practice his archery. If he told his servant that the arrows he shot were to the side of the target, David was safe. If Jonathan told his servant that the arrows were beyond the target, David was to leave and not return. Jonathan told the servant that the arrows were beyond the target, meaning that David should flee. After releasing his servant, Jonathan found David and the two men cried together.

Rather than being evidence for a homosexual relationship in the Bible, the account of David and Jonathan is an example of true biblical friendship. True friendship, according to the Bible, involves loyalty, sacrifice, compromise, and yes, emotional attachment. That is what we should learn from David and Jonathan. The idea that the only person in the Bible described as “a man after God’s own heart” (Acts 13:22), was a practicing homosexual (or bisexual) is ridiculous and has no true biblical basis.

Got Questions, Got Questions 11 Comments [10/18/2018 5:53:41 AM]
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Submitted By: I

Quote# 140960

The left has yet to offer any real hope to humanity, only lies and self-worshiping nihilism. There is no future in it, though it obsesses over the future. It's a hollow pseudo-religion, attempting to give meaning without admitting that meaning exists. That's why it's a joke.

[deleted], r/EnoughCommieSpam 7 Comments [10/18/2018 5:52:51 AM]
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Quote# 140959

Isn’t it amazing how people, when they go through the woodchipper known as the “ex-gay industry,” consistently go one of two directions? They either end up back out of the closet and hopefully living healthier lives than before [even if it takes years and years for them to heal from the experience], or they end up cashing in at the teat of the people who brainwashed them in the first place, thus perpetuating the cycle of abuse. They never just end up being “ex-gay” and settling into a happy “ex-gay” life. No, they have to engender hatred toward the rest of the LGBT community.

So here’s an example of the latter, by the name of Tim Wilkins, speaking on a panel encouraging North Carolina to write discrimination into its constitution. Brian at Right Wing Watch sets it up:

Wilkins began his remarks by describing how he is “ashamed” of his “past homosexuality.”

Wilkins in fact, is a professional “ex-gay” activist whose ministry “stems from his own freedom from homosexuality some thirty years ago.” He is also a member of NARTH, the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality, and organizes a conference that “addresses such topics as If a Friend Says ‘I’m gay’, Debunking the ‘Gay Gene’, ‘What’s a Parent to Do?’, Untwisting ‘Gay Theology’, Counseling the Homosexual, Preventing Homosexuality, and A Biblical Bridge Out of Homosexuality.’”

[…]

Wilkins argued that homosexuality should be reduced to a “temptation” just as Pluto… was relegated from its status as a planet to dwarf planet by the International Astronomical Union.

Oh, wow, this man must hate himself something fierce. Let’s watch the video together and I’ll live-blog it below:


First thirty seconds: “I once was gay but now am wingnut.” Amaaaaazing grace, etc.

0:30-1:00: Same sex marriages are “unequal” because two people of the same gender can’t possibly complement each other in a relationship, due to…

1:00-1:30: There are not enough various and sundry genitals in same-sex relationships, therefore they are not supporting diversity!

1:30-2:00: “I believe that same sex attraction is a temptation, not an orientation.” The fact that this conflicts with what every single mature adult scientist and mental health professional has to say on the matter is of no consequence, as that interferes with my being a wingnut.

2:00-2:30: The only real sexual orientation people have is sin. Dirty, dirty sin. If there was no sin, there would be no gayness, QED.

And to bring it home, 2:30 until the end: “Pluto… used to be a planet, a gay, gay planet, and then one day it went to Alan Chambers’ office and when it came out, it wasn’t a planet anymore! Pray away the gay planet!”

And scene.

Tim Wilkins, Truth Wins Out 5 Comments [10/18/2018 5:52:33 AM]
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Quote# 140957

What should be the attitude of the church toward homosexuals and homosexuality?

For the Bible-believing Christian, there can be no doubt that homosexuality is a grievous sin in the sight of God. The awful catalogue in the first chapter of Romans of the sins practiced by the ancient pagan world began with this sin:

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another: men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
—Romans 1:26,27 (KJV)

The term “sodomy,” named after the inhabitants of Sodom whose homosexual perversions caused God to rain fire and brimstone on their city in the days of Abraham (Genesis 19:4,5,12,24), has for thousands of years been synonymous with this unique form of ungodliness. That it is basically a sin of rebellion against God is evident from the above passage in Romans.

The “cause” for which God “gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves” was that they had decided to “worship and serve creation more than the Creator” (Romans 1:24-25 - KJV).

Because such behavior is essentially animalistic, rather than human, sodomites are actually called “dogs” in the Bible. Note the strong prohibition in the Old Testament theocracy established under Moses.

There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel. Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog, into the house of the Lord thy God for any vow: for even both these are an abomination unto the Lord thy God.
—Deuteronomy 23:17,18 (KJV)

We can be sure that, if these practices were abominations to God then, He has not changed His opinion about them today.

The same terminology appears in the description of the holy city in the last chapter of the Bible.

Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
—Revelation 22:14-15 (KJV)

Thus, sodomites—like sorcerers, whoremongers (same word as “fornicators”), murderers, idolaters and lovers of lies—should undoubtedly also be excluded from church fellowship. If such a person, professing to be a Christian, persists in his sin, he should be put out of the church, like the one who had committed fornication with his stepmother (I Corinthians 5:1).

Now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner, with such an one no not to eat… Therefore, put away from yourselves that wicked person.
—I Corinthians 5:11, 13 (KJV)

Homosexuality, like all other types of fornication, has no place in the family of God. Regardless of what modern promoters of “gay liberation” might wish to believe, sexual perversions are not inherited genetically but rather are learned behaviors and willful sins. Like alcoholism and other such sins of the flesh, they may become very difficult to give up for those who have been enslaved by them, but God is able to give deliverance to any who sincerely desire true freedom and salvation.

To “straight” Christians in the church, however, the familiar old admonition to “hate the sin, but love the sinner” surely applies in such cases. Homosexuals, long accustomed to being looked upon with disgust by most people, are understandably anxious for acceptance by society. Nevertheless, they must not be encouraged to continue in their wickedness, for it may well cost them their eternal souls. Instead, they need to be “loved into the kingdom,” being delivered first of all from their rebellion against God, then to Christ for salvation and cleansing.

Notice Paul's testimony concerning the very real possibility of such deliverance:

Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, …shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
—I Corinthians 6:9-11 (KJV)

When there is true repentance and the sin is forsaken, then such a person should be lovingly received into the fellowship of believers (or back into that fellowship, if previously excommunicated), like any other repentant and believing sinner. This is the example given in the case of the incestuous Corinthian:

Sufficient to such a man is this punishment, which was inflicted of many. So that contrariwise ye ought rather to forgive him, and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one should be swallowed up with overmuch sorrow. Wherefore I beseech you that you would confirm your love toward him.
—II Corinthians 2:6-8 (KJV)

In spite of great pressure today from humanists and other liberals to get homosexuality recognized as an acceptable—if not even preferable—life style, the Bible makes it plain that it is really unnatural and animalistic wickedness that must be rejected by true Christians.

At the same time, we cannot forget that Christ died for their sins, as well as ours. They are still objects of His sacrificial love, and we should seek earnestly to bring them to Him for cleansing and deliverance.

Christian Answers, Christian Answers 7 Comments [10/18/2018 5:51:58 AM]
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Quote# 140956

I am aware the question in this article’s title presupposes a change of some sort is necessary. My presupposition is grounded in the authority of God’s Word. Secondary to that—I am a Christian and a former homosexual.

Having now used that inadequate and puzzling term former homosexual, let me try to decipher the lingo and properly answer the question.

Moving the fridge

A story will help. A man glances out his home window and sees his neighbor. The neighbor has his pick-up truck backed to his side door, both the storm and main doors are propped open and a refrigerator blocks the doorway. Obviously the fridge is being moved and help is needed, so the friendly onlooker rushes to help his red-faced neighbor.

“Need a hand with that refrigerator, Fred?” asks Steven as he throws himself into the task. “Sure do! This thing weighs more than I thought!”

Fred and Steven throw their muscular arms around the appliance. With sweat rolling down their faces, they grunt and strain as the fridge moves a quarter of an inch then stops. They reposition their arms. The fridge barely sways even though both men are winded. After wrestling with the stubborn refrigerator for a full ten minutes, Steven gasps “Fred, I don’t believe we’re ever going to get this thing in the house.” “In the house!” exclaims Fred, “I’m trying to get it in the truck!”

The point is apparent—without a clear and focused understating of what direction the homosexual needs to go, he will progress no further than the refrigerator.

What needs to change?

An illustration will help. Imagine a very thin lady seated at a dinner table. She fidgets with her food, spoons it from one side of her plate to the other, eats little if anything, then excuses herself from the table.

“How can a visibly gaunt woman eat so little or not at all?”, we ask. Our observation could lead us to two premises—either she dislikes food or she is not hungry. If we accept the first premise—that she dislikes food—our sympathetic approach might include a variety of recommendations.

We inquire about the type of food she does like—maybe fast food, Mexican or Chinese. If not perhaps the immaculate look of a seven-course meal appeals to her appetite. Perchance she prefers her food prepared a certain way—broiled versus fried, rare versus well done. If none of these recommendations help, she could have sitophobia—a fear of food.

Let’s now assume the second premise—that she is not hungry. If this suspicion is true she may be suffering from a malfunctioning metabolism. We make a doctor’s appointment for her. The physician suspects a thyroid condition and orders blood work. And it’s possible she has hypogeusia—a diminished sense of taste.

But as persistent as we’ve been, all approaches make little difference in this lady’s eating habits, or lack thereof. She eats very little and infrequently! Our methods have been genuine, compassionate, and justifiable. We have devoted considerable time in our quest to correct the dilemma, but to no avail.

The puzzle comes together

However, if we learn this woman is anorexic, our approach changes dramatically and immediately. We realize our initial assumptions and strategies are ludicrous and laughable because they do not bear on the primary issue—a distorted self image.

When this self-starved lady looks in the mirror she sees an obese lady looking back and no amount of persuasion will convince her otherwise.

When this primary issue is addressed, her food intake as well as the frequency of her eating increases. But take note—her increased eating is a byproduct of confronting the main issue—a distorted self-image. And I use the term image not only from a clinical perspective but a biblical one. Genesis 1:26-27 reads,

“And God said, ‘Let us make man in our image, after our likeness’… So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.” (Emphasis added)

Now the analogy

How does this illustration apply to the homosexual condition? Just as it is absurd for the anorexic’s family and friends to focus on trying to make her eat, so it is absurd for churches to try and make the homosexual heterosexual.

Society in general and churches in particular mistakenly believe freedom from homosexuality is marrying, having 2.3 children and a dog in the back yard. A 2001 secular study on the possibility of change shows the depth of this ingrained “doctrine.” Dr Robert Spitzer, a Columbia University professor interviewed men and women who said they used to be homosexual; I was one of many he questioned. As beneficial as his study was and as much as I appreciate the visibility it gave to change, his study measured heterosexual function of the former homosexual—again missing the real issue.

“But” you ask, “don’t homosexuals need to become heterosexuals?” No! Scripture never states nor implies all people must be heterosexual; it does say explicitly, however, that we are to avoid all forms of sexual immorality, which includes homosexuality. With that in mind have we not at times given the impression that homosexuals must “convert” to heterosexuality? Jesus did not say “Go and make [heterosexuals]”; He said “go and make disciples.”

The opposite of homosexuality is holiness
“But” you ask, “isn’t heterosexuality the opposite of homosexuality?” No! The opposite of homosexuality is holiness!

As I wrote earlier, the term former homosexual is inadequate if not inappropriate. We mistakenly think a person who has found freedom from same-sex attractions is now heterosexual. The former homosexual man or woman may now experience heterosexual feelings, but heterosexuality should never be his nor the churches’ goal. Heterosexuality is in many cases, but not all, a byproduct of the homosexual’s dealing with the primary issues—a distorted self-image and faulty thinking—both of which Satan uses to “gain control.”

Singleness is not a sin, immorality is
The church will do well to remember that singleness is not a sin, immorality is.

What all this means is that most of churches’ advice to the homosexual misses the mark entirely!

Advice well-meant, but wrong

Telling an adult gay son “you just need to date more; you haven’t met the right girl” is senseless. Suggesting your lesbian friend “marry, settle down and everything will work out” is imprudent. Many gay men and women have married, thinking marriage will “heal” them and in most cases the consequences have been disastrous.

Some, hopefully not Christians, suggest a gay man “find a woman who can make you a man.” While I’ve never heard a Christian give such advice, I did have a twenty-seven year old gay man share the following with me. He said he was fifteen when his “Christian” father learned of his homosexual struggle. To “help” his son the father bought him a subscription to Playboy magazine. That’s equivalent to serving roast duck to the anorexic.

God does not heal one form of immorality with another form of immorality! How effective is a machine gun against a tidal wave?

“For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms” (Eph. 6:12).

One married struggler told me his well-meaning pastor recommended he have more sex with his wife. Although the Bible does command conjugal rights (I Cor. 7:3-4), the pastor’s advice bypassed the real issue.

Another pastor prayed with an unusually handsome and struggling man, then told him “I’ve got a really nice girl in the church I want you to meet.”

A Christian friend who knows my testimony, met my wife Lisa and said “I can see why you left homosexuality; your wife is beautiful.” While he is correct that Lisa is beautiful, his statement, like so many, represents a global ignorance on the subject. If attractive women were the remedy for male homosexuality, there would be no gay men.

Many gay men ask me how to cultivate a romantic/sexual attraction to women. I tell them that is not the issue; the issue is a distorted/broken image. (I have often thought how devious our adversary is. He not only confuses men and women regarding their sexual identity, he also confuses them and the church as to what healing really is, thus compounding the problem.)

By dealing with the primary issue, gay men begin to see themselves as masculine and lesbians begin to see themselves as feminine; the same-sex attractions diminish and in many cases opposite-sex attractions occur.

Not a means to an end

During my own journey out of homosexuality I made a significant discovery—Jesus Christ is not a means to an end. He is the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. I did not go to Christ to get something else, namely heterosexuality. I went to Christ to get HIM!

When we learn this truth, we will witness prison doors falling off their hinges and chains disintegrating.

Tim Wilkins, Christian Answers 9 Comments [10/18/2018 5:51:31 AM]
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Quote# 140955

The issue of homosexual behavior has had a lot of publicity of late. Homosexuals say that the slaves have been freed and women have been liberated, so gay rights are long overdue. Society does seem to be moving in that direction. Many homosexuals are “coming out” and openly declaring their homosexuality. In many parts of the western world, homosexual couples receive the same recognition as heterosexual couples with regard to social security benefits. Some church leaders are giving their blessing to homosexual relationships, homosexual church members and even homosexual ministers.

Many homosexuals’ claim that…

They are made that way.

Homosexuality is of no harm to the participants or to anyone else.

If it feels right to those involved, it is nobody else’s business.

Homosexual relationships and heterosexual relationships are equally valid. (Some even claim that the Bible condones homosexual relationships.)

Made that way?

Since other groups who have been discriminated against (such as women, blacks and the disabled) have been given equal opportunity, homosexuals claim that they, too, should be liberated. However, as one Christian expert has said…

“Gender, race and impairment all relate to what a person is, whereas homosexuality relates to what a person does.”1

In contrast, homosexuals claim that scientific studies have shown that there is a biological basis for homosexuality.

Three main studies are cited by “gay rights” activists in support of their argument2Hamer’s X-chromosome research,3 LeVay’s study of the hypothalamus,4 and Bailey and Pillard’s study of identical twins who were homosexuals.5

In all three cases, the researchers had a vested interest in obtaining a certain outcome because they were homosexuals themselves. More importantly, their studies did not stand up to scientific scrutiny by other researchers. Also, “the media typically do not explain the methodological flaws in these studies, and they typically oversimplify the results.”6 There is no reliable evidence to date that homosexual behavior is determined by a person’s genes.

To the extent that biological or social factors may contribute to a person’s bent toward homosexual behavior, this does not excuse it. Some people have a strong bent towards stealing or abuse of alcohol, but they still choose to engage or not engage in this behavior and the law rightly holds them accountable.

The final report of the Baptist Union of Western Australia (BUWA) Task Force on Human Sexuality states “that a person becomes a homosexual ultimately by choosing to be involved in same-sex activity… This is in contrast to innate characteristics such as gender and ethnicity.”7 The report affirms that “the Bible is clear that sin involves choice, and it unequivocally condemns homosexual behavior as sin.”7

The foundational teaching on marriage and sexual issues is found in Genesis chapters 1 and 2. When Jesus was questioned about marriage, He referred to these 2 chapters (Matthew 19:1-12; Mark 10:1-12). Genesis teaches us that “male and female He created them” (Genesis 1:27). We were created to a plan, male and female complementing each other. That is, God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve, nor Madam and Eve.

Genesis also teaches that God instituted and designed marriage between a man and a woman (Genesis 2:18-25). There are a number of reasons why He did so.

The complementary structure of the male and female anatomy is obviously designed for the normal husband-wife relationships. Clearly, design in human biology supports heterosexuality and contradicts homosexuality.

The combination of male and female enables man (and the animals) to produce and nurture offspring as commanded in Genesis 1:28 “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth.” This command is repeated to Noah after the Flood (Genesis 8:15-17).

But procreation is not the only reason God made humans as sexual beings. The BUWA report affirms “that sexual intimacy between husband and wife is good, and is intended by God for bonding, pleasure and procreation.”7

Thirdly, God gave man and woman complementary roles in order to strengthen the family unit. Woman was to be the helper that man needed (Genesis 2:18). However, the woman’s role as the helpmate is certainly not an inferior one. The enterprising, God-fearing woman in Proverbs 31:10-31 is an inspiring role model.

No harm?

Andrew Lansdown points out that “homosexual activity is notoriously disease-prone. In addition to diseases associated with heterosexual promiscuity, homosexual actions facilitate the transmission of anal herpes, hepatitis B, intestinal parasites, Kaposi’s Sarcoma and AIDS.”1 Research on the life expectancy of a group of homosexual men in Canada in the early 1990s indicated that they could expect 8-21 years less lifespan than other men.8

Effect on others

Secular psychologists assure us that “children raised in lesbian and gay households are similar to children raised in heterosexual households on characteristics such as intelligence, development, moral judgments, self-concepts, social competence and gender identity.”6 The humanists have, however, forgotten one important ingredient.

“Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not depart from it” (Proverbs 22:6).

You cannot faithfully teach God’s Word to your children while living a lifestyle specifically condemned by God’s Word. All Christians are sinners forgiven by God’s grace, but living in a homosexual relationship constitutes habitual, unrepented sin.

Nobody else’s business?

Gay activists claim that homosexual activity is nobody’s business other than those involved in the relationship. However, this is not true. God, our Designer and Creator, has authority over all aspects of our lives. He makes the rules, and He quite specifically forbids homosexual behavior.

“You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination” (Leviticus 18:22; see also Leviticus 20:13).

Disobedience of such a clear command indicates rejection of God’s authority.

Some people argue that the Old Testament law (including Leviticus 18 and 20) was superseded with the coming of Christ. However, we should at least consider as binding those aspects of the law that are renewed in the New Testament. The teaching of Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 was certainly reaffirmed in the New Testament.

Equally valid?

Some people claim that homosexual behavior was only condemned in the Bible because it was associated with idolatry (e.g., 1 Kings 14:24). However, it is clearly condemned apart from idolatry as well (e.g,. Leviticus 18:22). It is described in Scripture as an unnatural, immoral perversion.

“For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another…” (Romans 1:26-27).

The Greek word arsenokoitai used in 1 Timothy 1:10 literally means “men who sleep with men.” It is the same Greek word used for “homosexual offender” in 1 Corinthians 6:9, variously translated as “abusers of themselves with mankind” (KJV), homosexuals (NASB) or homosexual offender (NIV).

Some people claim that the sin involved in Sodom was rejecting hospitality customs or selfishness rather than homosexual behavior. Certainly, the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah was great and their reported sin was grievous to God (Genesis 18:20). God sent angels to Sodom and…

“Now before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both old and young, all the people from every quarter, surrounded the house. And they called to Lot and said to him, Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have sex with them” (Genesis 19:4-5).

“While it is true that the Hebrew word yadha does not necessarily mean ‘to have sex with,’ nonetheless in the context of Sodom and Gommorah, it clearly had this meaning. …It means ‘to know sexually’ in this very chapter when Lot refers to his two daughters not having “known” a man (19:8).”9 You would not offer virgins to appease a mob if their sin was lack of hospitality, but only if their desire was sexual.

Although Ezekiel 16:49 condemns Sodom for its selfishness with regard to poverty, etc., this does not contradict its condemnation for homosexual practices. “The very next verse of Ezekiel (verse 50) calls their sin an ‘abomination.’ This is the same Hebrew word used to describe homosexual sins in Leviticus 18:22.”10

It is also used in Scripture to describe such things like the practice of offering children to Moloch, but never such things as mere selfishness or lack of hospitality. Even in legal parlance, the word used to refer to one aspect of homosexual practice is ‘sodomy.’

Another argument is that Jonathon and David were homosexuals as “Jonathan loved David” (1 Sam. 18:3), that Jonathan stripped in David’s presence (18:4), [and] that they kissed each other (20:41).11

However, “David’s love for Jonathan was not sexual (erotic) but a friendship (philic) love. And Jonathan did not strip himself of all his clothes, but only of his armor and royal robe (1 Sam. 18:4).”12 Also, a kiss was a normal greeting in that day, such as when Judas kissed Jesus. In several cultures today, men normally greet each other with a kiss, too. Further, David’s love for his wives, especially Bathsheba (2 Samuel 11), clearly reveals his heterosexual orientation.

Isaiah 56:3 states that eunuchs will not be excluded from God’s presence (“my temple”), but practicing homosexuals are not eunuchs. Eunuchs have no sexual relations at all.

Other Scriptural arguments for homosexuality can similarly be easily refuted. It is clear that heterosexual marriage is the only form of marriage sanctioned in the Bible and that homosexual practice is always condemned.

[See: What does the Bible say about same sex marriages? Answer]

Punishment

The Bible not only describes homosexual behavior as detestable, but it also calls for the punishment of those involved (Leviticus 20:13). Their unrepentant attitude caused God to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 19:24-25).

Just as homosexual conduct has been punished in the past, so it will also be punished by God in the future.

“…Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Corinthians 6:9-10).

Hope

However, there is hope for the homosexual. God forgives and cleanses a person who repents and turns from their sin, including the sin of homosexual behavior (1 Corinthians 6:11). As well as forgiveness, God’s grace brings with it the power to live a life that is pleasing to God (Romans 6:6-7). If repentance and reform are genuine, prior homosexual actions should not be a bar to church membership or ministry, as all Christians are reformed sinners.

“Liberal” churches espouse tolerance of homosexual behavior in the name of “love.” They plug for the acceptance of homosexual conduct as normal, “because they can’t help it.” They are not only wrong about the latter, but they are actually not being at all loving towards homosexuals, because, contrary to the Bible, they reduce the homosexual person to the level of an animal, driven by instinct. In removing moral responsibility from the person, they dehumanize them, whereas the Bible says we are made in the image of God (Genesis 1:26-27), with the power of moral choice.

Furthermore, the gospel proclaims liberation from the bondage of sin, including homosexual sin, whereas the “liberals” tell the homosexual that they cannot help it, and they can’t help them either, so they will accept them as they are! However, many a person has been gloriously rescued from the bondage of homosexual sin (and other sin) by the power of the Holy Spirit, but only Bible-believing Christians can offer such hope.

Conclusion

As with all moral issues, our beliefs about our origin determine our attitude. If we believe that we arose from slime by a combination of random chance events and the struggle for survival, it is understandable to say that there is no higher authority, and we can make our own rules. However, if there is a loving God who planned us and gave commands for us to follow, then we must do so. God has set forth His standards in the Bible, beginning with the foundational teaching in the book of Genesis.

Christian Answers, Christian Answers 10 Comments [10/18/2018 5:50:50 AM]
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Quote# 140954

[Lyrics for "Remember Him (R. Hess)"]

A political soldier
Tried to make Europe great
But we, all national soldiers
We all know his fate
In the Nürnberg court
He was sentenced to lifetime
But I still wonder
What was his crime?
Heil heil heil for dignity
Heil heil heil for the final victory!

I know that one day
Over the world wide
People will heil your
Loyalty and Pride
Rudolf Hess you will be
In history
As a symbol for peace and
For White solidarity

They took away your family
Your freedom and life
But the loyalty
And the pride never dies
Now your fight for Europe
It´s still going strong
And so it will be
Until that we have won

Dirlewanger, Flashlyrics 7 Comments [10/18/2018 5:50:43 AM]
Fundie Index: 4
Submitted By: JeanP

Quote# 140950

At the Impeach Trump March in Chicago 7/2/17. A group of protesters applaud a speech comprised almost entirely of Adolf Hitler quotes given by Shad Daley. This was 20 seconds after saying they need to fight fascism. After the speech, the organizing member of refusefascism.org was desperate to get Shad more involved. Another wonderful example of how the left doesn't understand their own hypocrisy and ignorance.


Speech Transcript:
Ladies, Gentleman, and non-binary members of this congregation:
I would like to thank everyone for coming out today to support the constitutional rule of law, I stand here today, a veteran of these United States armed forces, and a proud 21st century patriot. I would like to take this opportunity to talk about this oppressive regime, and the repressive regime that constitutes capitalism as a whole.

We are Socialists, we are enemies of the capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with it's unfair salaries, rights it's unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.

Benefit to the community precedes benefit to the individual... The state should retain supervision and each property owner should consider himself appointed by the state. It is his duty not to use his property against the interests of others among his own people. This is the crucial matter. This American Nation will always retain its right to control the owners of property... A policy of laissez faire in this sphere is not only cruelty to the individual guiltless victims but also to the nation as a whole.

For there is one thing we must never forget... the majority can never replace the man.

Life is like a mirror, if you frown at it, it frowns back, if you smile it returns the greeting.

Donald Trump seems to think that if you tell a big enough lie, and tell it frequently enough, that it will be believed. It’s not the truth that matters, but victory.

The doom of a nation can be averted only by a storm of flowing passion, but only those who are passionate themselves can arouse passion in others.


Trollolol

Shad Daley, Youtube 3 Comments [10/18/2018 5:50:01 AM]
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Quote# 140949


There is no convincing you is there?

Even with the stark facts in front of you you want to play with words...just as the entire rank and file of the antichrist do.

This dynamic energy is rich in potential...Galaxies are structured from it and you and I are too. This is why I can safely say that our abuse of it disturbs our own, individual, genetic code....sometimes in an evolutionary sense, sometimes in a righteous sense, sometimes in a wild, frenzied, evil sense...but, never-the-less, we can't escape its interference until we are dead and then we are stuck in the the ether in an inconsequential, boring sense, unless we can be resurrected...and that is what Jesus Christ offers those who participate in his, accurate, righteous science.

Soon the ether will be swept clean by the invading planetary bodies Biblically called Wormwood and the fiery lake of sulphur, and so we need to look for the signs and maneuver ourselves into salvation...only achievable by following Jesus Christ accurately. There is wriggle room, but not for the antichrist.

NicholasMarks, Religion and Ethics 7 Comments [10/18/2018 5:49:51 AM]
Fundie Index: 2
Submitted By: NearlySane

Quote# 140948

How will normies react once they realize what they have done?

And that women are literal communists who want to destroy democracy, and that immigration will actually introduce sharia dictatorship and destroy western civilization after all? Normie delusions can only last for so long. At some point the damage will be so great it won't be possible to pretend this isn't the case anymore. What do you think the normies will do once they realize this?

Disillusioned, incels.me 17 Comments [10/16/2018 1:21:51 PM]
Fundie Index: 6
Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 140939

Truthfully, I fell in love with a woman that I met at Harvest in 2013-2014, which was my motivation for losing all my weight in February of 2017. I hadn't seen her for a long time, but thought about her a lot. I (by chance or God's intervention) met her one day at the beach, in her culottes in her hammock on February 21st, 2017, and finally expressed my heart's feelings toward her. I was on cloud nine. I was embarrassed when I met her, because she was so skinny, and I was so overweight. Unfortunately she doesn't want me (which makes me sad), likely afraid of what other people think about her (and me) at Harvest, since my fallout with Harvest Baptist Church. I know as sure as I'm saved that she liked me in 2014. She used to wait for me in the parking lot at the church, and she won my heart. But I was scared at the time (still recovering from a divorce), which I explained to her later. It is what it is, beyond my efforts. I wish things were different.

I really love Michael P. Bowen's book, “I Never Knew You,” where he is transparent (like I am being), sharing his many heartbreaks with the prospective women in his life, relating it to salvation and Matthew 7:21-23. Rejection hurts! I think it is tragic how so many women merely want the guy that everyone else wants (i.e., she is more concerned about her public image than finding a godly man). People marry for all the wrong reasons. I have my faults, but God knows there is not a more pure of heart man than myself, and I love the Lord Jesus Christ, which is why I fight so valiantly for the inspiration and purity of the King James Bible.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 15 Comments [10/16/2018 1:16:53 PM]
Fundie Index: 5

Quote# 140937

Hi, Sweet Pea…I do things the way I do them because it is at the behest of Almighty God and his much loved son, Jesus Christ, and like the watchman who is equally guilty if he doesn’t notify those he is watching over, of approaching dangers, when something sinister is approaching, I don’t want to share in the guilt of the antichrist.

Every night now, at sunset, and for a number of months, there has been a huge red tint radiating across that area of sky…it lasts for about half an hour and it is causing quite a fuss on YouTube…but, true to form, it can only be seen by those who aren’t locked into the antichrist philosophy. Trentvoyager recognises its existence, whilst Seb can’t see it, on a night when it was particularly spectacular…check it out for yourself, and know that God’s Judgment is near.

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Two Gifts From God…(part 31)

It is a commonly known fact that the human body has two sides which have semi-independent responsibilities over each other. There is the LHS and the RHS and in a stroke one side can fail completely.
This can happen suddenly and without warning and is usually attributable to a blood-clot lodged in the brain. But why is the blood clotting and is this condition as sudden as it appears??

Not according to God’s righteous science…It has been building up for some time. From our early youth we have been squeezing our brains to get a greater response from it. We frown and squeeze it, thus hindering the natural circulation throughout the many journals that are a part of its make-up. At an early age we start having head-aches and migraines and slowly but surely we are closing down one side of the brain, as surely as if it was by the sudden attack of a blood clot, but this is slow and spreads over a number of years whilst all the glands, muscles, and thinking abilities, associated with a full blown stroke, are there, hidden from view, disguised in a numbness, and which requires urgent attention before the blood thickens up and begins to congeal.

As always, that urgent attention is captured within the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ…His teaching is so accurate that we can apply maximum faith to it knowing that if we are beyond repair we will also have a share in the resurrection, and this is a great comforter too.

I call this a ‘silent stroke’…but it is much more far-reaching than is listed here.

…(to be continued)

NicholasMarks, Religion and Ethics 13 Comments [10/15/2018 8:04:36 AM]
Fundie Index: 10
Submitted By: NearlySane

Quote# 140934

(In response to a meme about Trump praising Robert E. Lee....)

This meme isn’t limited to the hyper partisan Occupy Democrats. In an embarrassing display of journalism, major media outlets from NBC, to CNN, to the Washington Post all ran headlines proclaiming “Trump called Robert E. Lee a great general”. Without context, the implication is “there Trump goes again, praising white supremacists”. With context, the headlines are highly misleading and OD’s assertion is outright false.
In the comments is a screenshot of the fuller context of Trump’s remarks, make sure to read it. The speech was clearly praising General Grant, not Lee! He was speaking in Ohio, after all, the birthplace of Grant. In a rambling historical account, which only Trump could give, he recounted how Lincoln ended up choosing Grant, despite his drinking problem, because none of his other generals knew how to win. The “incredible” accolade clearly referred to Grant, not Lee, and he called Lee a great general as a foil to praise Grant.
But, calling Lee a great general shouldn’t be controversial anyway. He was, objectively, a great general. That’s why the Union wanted him on their side. Acknowledging his battle prowess does not condone slavery anymore than acknowledging OJ Simpson was a great football player condones murder. Since Occupy seems so horrified at a president calling Robert E. Lee great, let’s see what some other presidents and historical figures said.
-Franklin Roosevelt said this in dedicating a monument to Lee in 1936: “I am very happy to take part in this unveiling of the statue of General Robert E. Lee. All over the United States we recognize him as a great leader of men, as a great general. But, also, all over the United States I believe that we recognize him as something much more important than that. We recognize Robert E. Lee as one of our greatest American Christians and one of our greatest American gentlemen.” [1]
-Winston Churchill once said, “Lee was the noblest American who had ever lived and one of the greatest commanders known to the annals of war.”[2]
-President Truman personally visited Lee's statue at Gettysburg and wrote this to his daughter, “I stood on the spot where General Robert E. Lee stood while the famous and immortal Pickett made his charge…I picked two little flowers from the foot of the Virginia Monument which stands on the spot where Lee stood and I am sending them to you. They will remind you of how a great man takes a terrible defeat…Lee didn’t blame anybody. He accepted the responsibility…”[3]
-Of the 4 portraits in President Eisenhower's office, one was Lee's. He remarked, “General Robert E. Lee was, in my estimation, one of the supremely gifted men produced by our Nation. He believed unswervingly in the Constitutional validity of his cause which until 1865 was still an arguable question in America; he was thoughtful yet demanding of his officers and men, forbearing with captured enemies but ingenious, unrelenting and personally courageous in battle, and never disheartened by a reverse or obstacle. Through all his many trials, he remained selfless almost to a fault and unfailing in his belief in God. Taken altogether, he was noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history."[4]
-JFK said, "As a New Englander, I recognize that the South is still the land of Washington, who made our Nation – of Jefferson, who shaped its direction – and of Robert E. Lee who, after gallant failure, urged those who had followed him in bravery to reunite America in purpose and courage.”[5]
-LBJ used Lee's name in support of civil rights legislation, "If we are to heal our history and make this Nation whole, prosperity must know no Mason-Dixon line and opportunity must know no color line. Robert E. Lee, a great son of the South, a great leader of the South–and I assume no modern day leader would question him or challenge him–Robert E. Lee counseled us well when he told us to cast off our animosities, and raise our sons to be Americans.”[6]
-Jimmy Carter recently came out against removal of confederate landmarks in the south. As president, he said this in his eulogy to the Americans killed in the Iran hostage crisis, “This very land once belonged to General Robert E. Lee. Like these eight men, he was a soldier whose affection for his home and family called him to a life of service that often meant hardship, loneliness, and long separation from those he loved and even from the Nation which he most loved."[7]
-President Reagan said this, “Robert E. Lee, this southerner who criticized secession and called slavery a great moral wrong, would become himself an American legend; yet a man who thought-though he rode off into myth and glory, would suffer cruelly in his own time. After the dissolution of his cause, he would work to bind up the Nation’s wounds"[8]
-As Arkansas governor, Bill Clinton signed legislation combining Martin Luther King day with Robert E. Lee day.[9]
[1]http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=15303
[2]http://www.vahistorical.org/…/virginia-histor…/lee-and-grant
[3]https://www.trumanlibrary.org/…/lar…/folder1/1935julytxt.htm
[4]https://www.neh.gov/…/how-did-robert-e-lee-become-american-…
[5]http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=74076
[6]http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=26585
[7]http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=33388
[8]http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=40134
[9]http://www.npr.org/…/arkansas-to-split-its-holidays-for-mar…

The Meme Policeman, Facebook 10 Comments [10/15/2018 8:04:10 AM]
Fundie Index: -1

Quote# 140933

Chinese official says ‘sinicization’ of religion in Xinjiang must go on

You Quan, head of the ruling Communist Party’s United Front Work Department, which oversees ethnic and religious affairs, made the remark on a recent visit to Xinjiang

The “sinicization” of religion must be upheld to promote ethnic solidarity and religious harmony, a senior Chinese official has said in the troubled western region of Xinjiang, which is home to a large Muslim population.

China’s state-run Xinhua news agency on Saturday quoted You Quan, head of the ruling Communist Party’s United Front Work Department, which oversees ethnic and religious affairs, as making the remarks on a visit to Xinjiang this week.

“The Party’s leadership over religious work must be upheld,” You said, adding that “the infiltration of religious extremism must be guarded against”.

Xinhua said You expressed the hope “that people in religious circles can inherit and carry forward the fine traditions to love the motherland and their faith, lead religious believers to follow the right faith and abide by the law and contribute to the healthy development of Islam”.

You is a member of the influential secretariat of the party’s Central Committee.

You Quan, South China Morning Post 5 Comments [10/15/2018 8:03:51 AM]
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Quote# 140932

I've progressed beyond the fallacy of favoring liberalism, simply because the old farts must be backwards dinosaurs. You begin with tolerance for gays, then extend it to trans, and then you move to all the other fetishes like pedophilia, beastiality, incest, and genetic engineering. Is there even a stopping point? I wonder if we are on a slippery slope and if it will inevitably meet a final backlash someday.


sesualaoi, E-Hentai Forums 18 Comments [10/15/2018 8:03:38 AM]
Fundie Index: 8
Submitted By: WarGoatHK417
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