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Quote# 129524

Hi. My name is Tyrone and I have just been delivered from MARIJUANA use that stretched over 21 years.

I am going to try be to the point for easy reading.

I was bound to the drug mentally, even although a Christian and believing the Gospel. I was demonically oppressed. I was delivered of a demon this year, January. The experience was terrifying because other than sleep paralysis, this time hands were all over my soul-man and tugging at my feet.

Back in 1996 I became a Blood brother. That is when I got really heavy into the stuff. By 1997 I tried to commit suicide and was miraculously saved. I was filled with the Holy Spirit.

In late 1998, I fell to temptation and took 2X Hoffmans (LSD) and 2X Red Devils (Ecstasy). I experienced a demonic manifestation in my room, and the Holy Spirit manifested in my body and rebuked the presence. It was a terrifying experience. It manifested again about 5 minutes later and was dealt with again. Something changed. I was not happy as I was before. I was filled with condemnation, or fear thereof because of how I backslid that night.

All this time I had not really repented of marijuana.

By 2000, I earnestly sought the Lord about it because I was bound. I could not repent of it. I heard clearly, “I will not deliver you from it unless you stop beating yourself about it.”

Years passed and I was having all sorts of spiritual experiences, from visions, to experiencing voices, to seeing Jesus face to face, also not long after that I saw satan face to face manifested in the face of a high priestess of a satanic coven, and also experiencing other things like waking up in hell. This lasted for maybe 2 seconds. It was terrifying to say the least.

In 2007 I admitted that my life was not right at all and I sought the Lord about deliverance. I was an angry person and my mind was in no way the same that it was. In 2007 I had a very serious satanic attack against my mind where I experienced the presence of satan and it warped my soul completely. I was bent with the fear of condemnation. I thought I was going to hell. I had a vision of my mind being eaten out as if eaten out by an alien. This was the damage to my mind. It left a real soul wound. For about 3 years after that I suffered tremendously. I repented of my marijuana use for about 1.5 years but I cross addicted to alcohol and I did not know how I could. I was also enslaved to sexual sin, and I could not understand why, seeing that I had the severe experiences that I did. I was a very keen researcher on subjects like eschatology, crypto-history and conspiracy theory. There is a reason why I am saying this and will get to that now.

I then reached 2010 and I was desperate for a solution but my fear of condemnation was at max, and my soul was totally in a mess. I stood up in a church and asked what can be done to be released from sin that we are holding onto, but cannot let go of it, and they just said, “be accountable to your brother”. This was not the answer I needed because the Lord is our Saviour.

I went home and heard, “1 Thessalonians 5:23 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] ” and went on to read it. “And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.”

I then accepted that He will sanctify my heart and my soul went into a rest and I experienced the Holy Spirit pass over my soul like water. I rested. I immediately had a vision of myself on a battlefield and naked on the ground and I reached for my helmet.

It would not be another 6 years before I finally got delivered from it, or alcohol. I at that time had about 10 years experiences with having visions, dreams, hearing different voices, etc.

On the basis of being shown between 2007 and 2010 that I was not obeying the Gospel, or the Good News I tried to repent totally from my fascination from grim subjects that I was interested in because I realized I was sowing fear into my mind by those subjects. I had to return to seeking Him, communing with Him and studying the Word but I was LAZY.

Now between 2010-2014 I went through more experiences but I was extremely filled with anger, rage, apathy, drudgery and all sorts of feelings, voices, etc. I was frustrated. In 2013 I cracked and shouted at the Lord and asked Him to remove the problem. I had a vision of Him standing at the Throne. I got scared.

I lost my job thereafter. I got another 7 months later. It was not long I walked out, out of anger. A spirit of anger had my soul. I was immensely angry. I then was unemployed for a further 7 months and got another job. 8 months I waked out of that job. I am an experienced I.T. professional. I was angry at everything. I was emotionally burned out and also suicidal.


I repented of self-murder, but it took a further year. I then had to go through a process of deliverance. First I had to forgive myself and others. He gave me healing to all sorts of things, like bitterness. Then I was delivered from a demon because anger left me in a great way. Well, it seemed something left me. I had to overcome all sources of bitterness and I had to face it.

Then, I still had marijuana. I finally got what the Lord was saying and I rested in the fact that only He can sanctify me. After all those years I finally handed over all rights to Him to Sanctify me completely. I had visions. I saw many things. I saw people standing around the Altar of the Lord. They were not ON THE ALTAR. They were off it and their faces were stretched in FEAR OF CONDEMNATION. They did not know that SANCTIFICATION IS BY FAITH. They were still using WILL POWER and the WILL IS OF THE SOUL. I basically resolved to look to Him to take my sin from me, because will power did not work.

I was then in the park smoking a joint. I was caught by the police and taken to jail. I appeared in Court and sent to a Drug Rehab, but I knew that I needed the Lord’s help. I could not do this alone, and the drug rehab would only lead me to repent by WILL POWER. I was really bound to marijuana. I LUSTED (not loved) it so much! Years bound! YEARS!

I was also having terrifying visions and I sought the Lord and I cried out for help and I had a vision of a demon on my back using my right ear as a motorbike grip. It was “riding” me.

I then said, “Lord, you are going to have to take this from me NOW or else these people will get me into prison.”. I was given a verse to stand on, and that is Romans 9:16 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] “So then it is not of him that wills, nor of him that runs, but of God that shows mercy.” —–|> ALL ALONG I HAD STUDIED ROMANS AND I MISSED THE PROOF RIGHT THERE THAT YOU CANNOT DO IT BY WILL POWER. All I had to do was NOT BEAT myself for the problem and TAKE MY STAND ON THE FINISHED WORK OF THE CROSS, THE GIFT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, and look to Him only. He took it right out my heart. His Love imparted took away my fear of condemnation over the stuff and replaced the lust for it. His Love dissolved the lust, however this is where it gets interesting…..

During this process I heard a voice tell me, “Tonight they arrest you.” I thought, “The cops?”. This was right before I was finally delivered. That night I fell asleep and suddenly I was in the grip of a demon on my back. It was terrifying. I the heard “anger”. I got lose and repented of all anger in my life and asked that all doorways are closed to that demon and more. I asked if there was anything else that could be an open doorway and I was answered, “fornication”. The next morning I saw a vision of the Lord wiping my back with a towel.

I was delivered of that demon. It was on my back and this demon got entry into my life when I fell to LSD that night back in 1998. All the voices I was hearing for years…… A DEMON!

I have since been free from alcohol abuse, marijuana and masturbation. In fact, I had a dream in 2007 of the exact same experience I had and that was the Lord showing me I would have deliverance. I suspected something on my back. I woke up from the dream and was busy masturbating in my sleep. Or rather, that demon was masturbating me.

I have had a sound mind since. I hear His Voice clearer, but it is a voice to my spirit from His Spirit. I do not just trust any voice. I do sometimes hear a thing or two from the outside but the thing is that now I am focused on the Gospel and the FINISHED WORK OF THE CROSS and resting in the total benefits. GRACE BY FAITH. JUSTIFED BY FAITH. SANCTIFIED BY FAITH. ETERNAL LIFE IS A GIFT. I’m resting and staying quiet.

Marijuana use? It not only opens a door to demons. It will also expose your mind to the Spirit Realm illegally. Not only will you have false visions, you will hear voices and also have “profound revelations’. The same thing applies for LSD and magic mushrooms, etc. Witches use drugs to gain entry into the spirit realm and to cast spells easier. It is very dangerous. I will not go back to the stuff.

What some may call schizophrenia is really a “spirit of divination”. I am delivered totally from that but I am consulting a Christian Psychologist for the next year.

STAY AWAY FROM MARIJUANA. ALL DRUGS! IF YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN THEN STAY AWAY! I WAS BOUND TO IT AND HAD TO BE DELIVERED. THERE IS NO WAY WILL POWER WILL WORK. Get back to the Gospel, take your stand on the GIFT OF HIS RGHTEOUSNESS, do not beat yourself for your problem and trust Him to remove it. You could have a demon on your back that is keeping you bound. Those voices are voices of demons. I am checking the “Notify me of follow-up comments by email” checkbox. I will wait for a reply. This testimony is FOR REAL. I do confess the third day risen Christ and I take no glory but give Him all the glory. Repent of being a Hippie-Christian and know only He can empower your heart so that His Love can dissolve the lust that keeps you enslaved to the stuff, and I KNOW just how enslaved I was. 21 years. In Him.

Tyrone, Seers See Ministry 9 Comments [7/19/2017 11:39:38 PM]
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Quote# 129523

Supposedly Hoffman was clean for 23 years. I rather tend to doubt that. Not in the environment he was in. He supposedly loved his family but …. not enough to legitimize his relationship with the mother of his three children. What do they call children born out of wedlock? Oh yeah, bastards. There’s a loving father for you.

So we have another self absorbed individual fresh out of rehab found assuming room temperature with a heroin spike sticking out of his arm. Dumb ass.

Hollywood mourns the loss of yet another star; the same Hollywood that celebrates the exact kind of relationship that spawns bastards, glamorizes pornography and drug abuse and makes gazillions of dollars in the process.

Wake me when it’s over.

Sig94 , Fellowship of the Minds 7 Comments [7/19/2017 11:38:41 PM]
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Submitted By: DiarrheaMan

Quote# 129522

Based on the current political conditions that exist in the United States today, one can conclude that it is not only OK to kill Leftists, but it is actually a moral responsibility of a Christian to do so. The righteous Christian should kill Leftists. But why and more importantly, why aren’t we, must be explored? Follow me…

Jim O'Brien, Bacon, Books and Bullets 16 Comments [7/19/2017 11:38:23 PM]
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Social Commentary Through Smut Award

Quote# 129519

4 minutes ago

Two liberals, a woman, and a sissy man, were getting ready to fuck at the local elementary schools play ground on a Wednesday, during the kids play time, so the kids could watch.
An alien ship landed, two aliens came out, a male & a female, the two filthy degenerate depraved pig liberals instantly asked them if they wanted to swap.

The degenerate liberals tried pairing off with the same sex aliens, the aliens wanted no part of this, so they fucked the traditional American way, man with women.

The woman went off with the male alien, the alien pulled his pants down, showing the women his impressive genitals. The women said she was used to a 6 by 6 version, like on an elephant. The alien said no problem, and turned his right ear, and his cøck grew in length, then he turned his left ear, and the diameter increased. Then they fucked.
When they were done, the aliens went back on their ship, and they were gone.

The man asked his wife how did it go, she replied it was like fucking my dad and three brothers at the same time.

When his wife asked the sissy husband how it went, he replied, 'Not well, she kept pulling at my ears', so I gave up and ate shit from the aliens asshøle.

"James" A sock puppet troll, Media Matters For America 23 Comments [7/19/2017 11:30:39 PM]
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Submitted By: DiarrheaMan

Quote# 129518

I am not disowning my fellow alt rightists who happen to be nazis. I am inviting them to become better friends and allies than they already are by discarding their blue pill illusions about women – by becoming even more evil than they already are.

Progs tell me that Andrew Anglin is the leading force for Nazism in the America, and have forced him to flee to Nigeria, where the locals do not see anything odd, evil, surprising, or unusual, about a white advocating for the interests of whites, or the interests of those whites ethnically similar to himself. Doesn’t everyone do that? Nigerians are too busy hating Nigerians who are a different breed of black to themselves to worry about whites.

My problem with Andrew Angelin is that if he is the leading force, progs don’t have much to worry about. This a man who thinks that twelve year old girls would be pure and chaste if it was not for evil males preying upon them.

He tells us that the problems we have with women are due to evil Jewish mind rays. If it was not for those damned Jews, women would never give us such tough shit tests. This is the sort of thinking that led to Hitler having only moderate success in raising the German birthrate.

The trouble with Nazis is that they leftists stuck in the 1930s, while the rest of the left has moved even further left. And the left was mighty bluepilled back in the 1930s.

His truly impressive loli collection suggests to me a man who does not score a whole lot of real life women, though I would guess he does considerably better than Scott Alexander.

There is a man in urgent need of the red pill.

The trouble with blaming everything on Jews is not that it is unkind to Jews. Unkind to Jews is not my problem. I will let Jews worry about that. The problem with blaming everything on Jews is that it leads to the conclusion that 1930s leftism, leftism before we let the Jews into the left wing club, was just fine. And Andrew Anglin’s truly impressive loli collection is where that thinking gets you.

In fact, things started going bad early in the nineteenth century, when frothing at the mouth biting mad feminism gave us a marriage contract that was enforced on men, but not on women, resulting in the collapse of the family.

And, shortly after that, white man’s burden, with the corresponding attacks on unit cohesion and military discipline, with the result that inferior races started to defeat whites in 1841, and have been defeating us militarily worse and worse ever since.

That is when things went to hell – when marriage was successfully attacked by those holier than thou, when our military was successfully attacked by those holier than thou. Rolling things back to the 1930s is not going to help. We need to roll things back to the 1730s.

Yes, Jews have always been subversive, and they were subversive back in the 1730s also. But I am pretty sure it was not Jews that caused everything except science to turn to shit in the nineteenth century, and it was not Jews that caused science to turn to shit in the twentieth. What happened to science after World War II was plainly the result of Harvard strong arming the Royal Society. Andrew is blaming the flies for the condition of a corpse that has a bullet hole in the head. It is not that I support flies, it is that I oppose being shot in the head.

There is a correlation between flies and corpses, but Nazis have the causation backwards.

Jim, Jim's Blog 10 Comments [7/19/2017 11:22:28 PM]
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Quote# 129517

(On a discussion about Sean Hannity's meltdown over the ACA repeal failing. "James" appeared and began giving up these gems of wingnuttery:)

• a few seconds ago

Illegal alien, Apolinar Altamirano, killed, American, Grant Ronnebeck, 21, over 2 packs of cigarettes. Altamirano had an extensive criminal record.

Thank you liberals, anything degenerate will do. Another fellow American brutally murdered, you have blood on your hands. More liberal material, so you can fist yourself into orgåsm.


Nicolas Embertson, liberal teenage thief who thought others folks property belonged to him, was shot by correct thinker David Pettersen & killed. Mr. Pettersen only got 90 days in jail for killing the filthy degenerate depraved diseased disgusting pig liberal.


That pic your kind are talking about, was my brother & his wife. They work at the McMudro scientific research station at the south pole. Your kind aren't welcome there.


Sissy boy cum laden queer you are, maybe after your two dads are done with you, astro might want to bottom you. Make sure you lick your shit from his cøck afterwards.

What your kind calls sex


And afterwards your kind licked them clean, sucked off their dogs, and fisted each other trying to get off. Since your kind are diseased & depraved, normal sex doesn't do it any more.

"James" A sock puppet troll, Media Matters For America 6 Comments [7/19/2017 11:22:00 PM]
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Submitted By: DiarrheaMan

Quote# 129516

Seriously, just stop it already. Anything is possible and everything is real. There's no such thing as not real, there is only things we currently understand and things we have yet to understand. I know most of you who say anime isn't real are a bunch of dumb little kids who don't know how to use science, but science says that there are an infinite amount of universes, each with their own laws of physics. This means that anything and everything exists somewhere and all my waifus are real, so you're just really dumb since all the smartest scientists agree with me and not you, LOL!

This is why I'm going to become a scientist for studying dimensions, whatever those are called, so I can go to any anime universe I want to and ask my waifus to have sex with me because I'm really handsome and people say I'm ugly because they're so jealous of how handsome I am.

People who don't believe in what they can't see are people who worship the Devil because not worshiping God is worshiping the Devil because the Devil is for people without faith in anything beyond their eyes and what a bunch of dumb scientists tell them. This is why you will burn in Hell for hating God and saying anime isn't real, LOL!

Also, once I get rich and famous for how smart and talented I am which WILL happen, I'm gonna tell Donald Trump to deport anyone who thinks anime isn't real to Mexico and change this to our new country flag while giving you the middle finger: http://sta.sh/01ufz6qetkdk

We're also gonna start making anime in the United States too because Japan is homophobic and doesn't have gun rights and they don't deserve it!

Peace! Make America great again!

RetroSpriteResources, http://forum.deviantart.com/entertainment/movies/2318461/ 19 Comments [7/19/2017 11:21:51 PM]
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Quote# 129513

[But if you compare police killings per 1 million inhabitants, America has about 100 times as many as most European countries.]

It's because freedom is not always neat and pretty. Freedom is messy. Conformity is oppression. When a culture is free people are free to make mistakes. People are free to fail. Ghettos arise where those who fail or those who choose to be criminals thrive. It's fine as long as we have a justice system that protects the lawful. So criminals get shot. Homeowners are free to defend their homes and families. So more criminals get shot. It's all good in the end. Freedom is worth it.

VK3601H, /r/AskReddit 13 Comments [7/19/2017 11:18:45 PM]
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Submitted By: pyro

Quote# 129507

Right-wing pastor Rick Joyner posted a video on his Facebook page yesterday in which he asserted that, given that the GOP has been unable to repeal and replace Obamacare, the program must be allowed to fail, while insisting that doing so won’t cause a single person to die because anyone who needs treatment can go to the emergency room.

“You don’t want to repeal and replace it? We’ll just have to let it fail,” he said. “It will fail, it is failing, it is imploding right now. What does that mean? How is it going to work? It’s not going to be clean, it’s going to be messy, it’s going to be trouble. A lot of people are going to lose their health care, but listen, people are not going to die because of it. Anyone who claims that is, to me, they’re just a liar, a deceiver and a manipulator.”

“To be in the health care business, you cannot turn away any emergency,” Joyner said. “[It’s] federal law, [if] someone comes to the emergency room with an emergency, you have to take care of them whether they’ve got health care or not.”

Of course, the emergency room is not of much use to people who have no health insurance but need ongoing cancer treatments or dialysis or prescription drugs or any other regular health care services to stay alive.

But Joyner doesn’t think people should be focused on that and should instead be worried about the eventual establishment of a government-run health care system in which bureaucrats and “death squads” start signing “death warrants” to determine who lives and who dies.

Rick Joyner, Right Wing Watch 14 Comments [7/19/2017 1:43:05 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 129506

Mission America’s Linda Harvey interviewed fellow anti-LGBTQ activist Robert Oscar Lopez on her radio program last weekend, where Lopez asserted that colleges and universities that have a women’s studies or queer studies department should be stripped of their nonprofit status and denied access to federal funding.

Lopez said that Congress should pass laws banning tenure and “set up a RICO investigation office just for higher education” to monitor schools in order to prevent faculty and staff from “making donations to a political party” that then allocates federal grants and funding to those schools.

“It’s a conflict of interest,” he said.

Lopez would also like to see this office investigate whenever allegations arise that a conservative faculty member has been fired under “very shady personnel decisions” and strip schools of their nonprofit status as punishment.

“I think also we should have some kind of provision,” he continued, “that if a university has a department that is completely lopsided, like women’s studies or something, then they should lose their status because if you have a department like that—like women’s studies or queer studies—they get seats on the faculty senate and they’re going to be exercising all of this power … and those departments often have huge power over the rest of the faculty.”

Robert Oscar Lopez, Right Wing Watch 13 Comments [7/19/2017 1:43:03 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 129501

A Domestic Discipline (DD) marriage is one in which one partner is given authority over the other, and has the means to back up that authority, usually by spanking. The application and practise of DD in each marriage is as unique as the individuals who make up that marriage. There is no "One Ring of Power" in the Domestic Discipline world, to which all DD couples must bow; no singular path to "true DD enlightenment". What works well for one DD couple may not be a good fit for another marriage. Therefore, you may see many different suggestions espoused on this site and elsewhere.

A Christian Domestic Discipline (CDD) marriage is simply a traditional, male-led, Christian marriage which utilises aspects of Domestic Discipline. It is set up according to Biblical standards.

Therefore, in a CDD marriage:

The husband is the head of the household, whilst the wife is submissive to her husband as if the Lord Himself was her husband. See Eph. 5:22-24.
The husband is to love his wife as himself, and as Christ loved the church. He is to be a servant, and leads by example. He is to lay down his life for her. See Eph. 5:25-29.
The wife is to reverence her husband. She is to obey him, so long as his instructions are not in opposition to God's commands. See Titus 2:5, Acts 5:29.
He has the ultimate authority in his household, but this authority is tempered with the knowledge that he will answer to God for his actions and decisions. The final decision rests with him, and therefore, the final responsibility, whatever the outcome, is his to bear. A wise husband will not make a major decision without prayerfully asking God for wisdom, and without seeking his wife's counsel. Prov. 20:5

He is to be the head of the home. She is to be the heart of the home.

He is not a dictator. She is not a doormat.

He is not a overbearing Lord of the Estate, seeking to trample over his family. She is not some weak-minded lass, needing to be molly-coddled, or seeking to get straightened around.

He has the responsibility for leading his family and is accountable before God for their well-being and development. He has the authority to spank his wife for disciplinary reasons, but in real CDD marriages, this authority is taken quite seriously and usually happens rarely. Most CDD marriages do use spanking, generally for serious offences, such as the "Four D's" (Disobedience, Disrespect, Dishonesty, or Dangerous [as in dangerous choices... reckless driving, disobeying doctor's orders, etc]). Some CDD marriages also use non-corporal disciplines, such as writing lines, or the temporary forfeiture of a favourite privilege. Again, every marriage is unique, and CDD is much more than just corporal punishment or spanking.

CDD is not a "magic pill", and this website does not claim CDD will prevent all marital rows. It is simply a tool, one method which many couples round the world feel is quite effective in strengthening their marriages, and improving the quality of their relationship.

CDD is the husband loving his wife enough to patiently guide and unselfishly cherish her.
CDD is the wife loving her husband enough to follow his leadership and trust his direction.
A Christian marriage should embody selfless love and true romance.
A Christian couple is to be a reflection of Jesus and His Bride.

How clear is your reflection?

This style of traditional male-led Christian marriage may seem unusual in today's "modern", liberal, politically correct, anti-God culture. This unholy culture, with its radically selfish feminism, and wholesale bias against true manhood, launches relentless attacks against traditional Christian family values. (Keep in mind, this is also the culture with well over 50% divorce rates, both in the church and in the secular world. Most rational people would agree the "modern" way doesn't work so well!)

Romans 12:2 says, And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect will of God. Here, Paul warns us not to live like the world, not to be fashioned like them, or molded to the same pattern as they are, but to be changed. Strong's Concordance says, "literally or figuratively "metamorphose".

The traditional male-led Christian marriage has been practised throughout history and is still practised in many parts of the world today. Our American friends, for example, need only look back to the era just prior to the 1960's. Domestic Discipline was a widely accepted premise, oft seen in films at the cinema and programmes on the telly. Many companies showed it in advertisments. If you prefer not to utilise "modern, popular culture" as a guide, consider that DD also has quite a long history as a common literary theme, dating back hundreds of years, from several cultures worldwide.

Unknown author, Christian Domestic Discipline 19 Comments [7/19/2017 11:34:59 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 129492

Well, the woman was stretched out on a cot on a sheet that she had brought. The spirit took the pair of scissors, raised them in a salute to whatever force he was raising it, plunged them into the woman’s body, cut deeply into the flesh, had me part the cavity to one side. And I could feel the blood pulsing over my hands. Then, Pachita/Hermanito—so you don’t get confused, the spirit—brought out a dirty red handkerchief with a piece of lung. Sometimes we got the parts from cadavers. She had friends in the morgue in town. Sometimes it was animal parts. Frankly, psychic surgeons will tell you, “It doesn’t matter what piece you’re using. It really doesn’t.” But doctors have taken blood samples and verified them to be that of the patients. Something was taking place there. She took this lung, dirty red rag and all, John, and slipped it into the woman’s chest cavity, then passed the hand, his hand, over the woman’s chest and it closed instantly. Not many people knew that that’s what happened. We bound the woman up in a bandage that she had brought, with cotton underneath, gave her instructions for three days, and the woman was healed. Now, I have documented many operations….

Johanna Michaelsen, John Ankerberg show 10 Comments [7/19/2017 9:35:14 AM]
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Quote# 129486

But at least you admit there's no such thing as "separation of church and state" in the Constitution. I'll save you claiming that and remind you when you bring it up again in the future.

But there is. The Establishment Clause puts it there. Don't believe me?

"I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free
exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between Church
& State." - Thomas Jefferson

"Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion & Govt in the Constitution of the United States the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history." - James Madison

You're citing a president, not the Constitution, which shows you're just being dishonest.

Meanwhile, what you point out is a Pastor wrote a letter to Jefferson expressing his fears that Jefferson would in some way restrict religious freedoms. In response to these fears, Thomas Jefferson wrote a letter back to indicate that he would in no way restrict the freedom of religious expression because he saw a wall of separation between church and state. It means the opposite of what the left tries to twist it into: that He would in no way restrict religion, not that it would instead be censored except where atheists give their permission.

If you have a "wall of separation", both sides are separated from the other. So, it works BOTH ways.

[No response.]

Reason2012, Christian News Network 12 Comments [7/19/2017 7:08:16 AM]
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Quote# 129485

So notice now the ACLU is unwittingly admitting it's legal for the meetings to start with a prayer, after how many years of lying about it being a violation of the "separation / establishment" clause ("separation of church and state! It's a violation of the establishment clause in the Constitution!" they screamed time and again). Now that this lie didn't work, now they try another lie.

Ambulance Chaser:
1. Nobody ever cited a "separation" clause because none exists. Who are you quoting?

2. Legal arguments that you disagree with or don't like are not "lies."

Thank you for admitting the separation of church and state clause does not exist in the Constitution.

Trying to make a lie your "legal argument" is still a lie.

Ambulance Chaser:
"Thank you for admitting the separation of church and state clause does not exist in the Constitution."

I never said it did. We do, however, have an Establishment Clause, which is applicable here.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

Please cite the law that was passed forcing them to open with a prayer.

There isn't one, so it wasn't violated by holding prayer.

Meanwhile please cite the law that says they do not have the freedom of religion to open with prayer.

There can't be one as that would be a violation of the Constitution.

But at least you admit there's no such thing as "separation of church and state" in the Constitution. I'll save you claiming that and remind you when you bring it up again in the future.

Ambulance Chaser:
Are you unaware of case law or just unwilling to acknowledge it?

Are you unaware of the Constitution or just unwilling to acknowledge it?

Ambulance Chaser:
I'm aware of the Constitution and aware that the cases that interpret it hold that any state action that takes even a single step toward establishing a religion is unconstitutional.

I'm aware that there are activists judges that violate the Constitution and pretend laws can be passed prohibiting the free exercise of religion. Just like the SC judge who lied with Obamacare when democrats sold it as a fine and not a tax, and the SC judge lied and called it a tax so he could "pass" it as Constitutional. You of course will have to deflect to ignore the fact the SC judge lied in order to dishonestly claim it was constitutional when it was not, proving that activists judges will lie and deceive to violate the Constitution, even SC judges.

Ambulance Chaser:
They "violate the Constitution?" Who says? You?

[No response.]

Reason2012, Christian News Network 10 Comments [7/19/2017 7:08:10 AM]
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Quote# 129483

[Comment under "Jews Cry After Discovering that Trump’s #FraudNewsCNN Tweet Came from Nazi HanAssholeSolo"]

[Picture of the mob lynching of Thomas Shipp and Abram Smith whose heads were replaced by the logos of CNN and MSNBC; similarly, members of the public had their heads replaced by Trump's and Pepe's]

Dr_James_Crow, Daily Stormer 20 Comments [7/19/2017 7:00:29 AM]
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Submitted By: JeanP

Quote# 129481

Much like mass and energy are interchangeable because one can be transformed into the other, so are labor and money for the same reason. Forcing someone to give up their money to pay for services they’re not receiving is no more moral than forcing them into servitude for the same purpose.

As much as it may seem heartless not to do it, you cannot divorce that fact from the equation.

This brings me to the “are you just going to let them die” argument, that is often bandied about as justification for forced medical care.

The number of visits to a doctor that are life threatening vs just quality of life issues are very small. Even Emergency Room visits, according to one government study puts the number of visits that could have been treated by a normal doctor or Urgent Care facility vs the emergency room at somewhere between 13.7 and 27.1%. That doesn’t include all the times people just went to their doctor, or an Urgent Care facility. So it is more than fair to assume that less that 10%, maybe even less than 1% of all medical care required is non-life-threatening.

If that’s true, then most of the time care may be refused, it is not about letting someone die at all.

But also, if we go back to labor and money are interchangeable, arguing that myself or anyone else is “just letting someone die” assumes that we owe them their life. Which again means that the government would get to decide when a doctor may retire or otherwise not work.
Waiting in Emergency department

While it’s easy for those of us who aren’t medical doctors to sit at home, and say “someone should help those people” (referring to those who can’t afford to pay for health care), the fact is that any government requirement for them to be helped requires violating the actual enumerated constitutional rights and largely accepted human rights of a number of people, in order to preserve a non-enumerated right of one person.

If you want to help people, you should volunteer to help. Go to school to learn medicine, and do the good deeds you want done. But the moment it becomes compulsory for you or anyone else, it is no longer moral.

With the number of charities that were doing great work to help the less fortunate before laws like this were passed, the idea that such people didn’t get help, is misguided. While there were some people who did not receive care, there were a good number who did. But more importantly to libertarians like me, liberty remained in tact, and not one right was violated.

Gary Nolan, the Logical Libertarian 19 Comments [7/19/2017 6:58:29 AM]
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Quote# 129478

Jesus Touched the Children

“Then they brought little children to Him, that He might touch them….And He took them up in His arms, laid His hands on them, and blessed them.” Mark 10: 13-16

Claire was 8 years old. She had two problems that troubled her—an embarrassing problem of bed-wetting and a wart that had been on the bottom of her foot for over a year. She had heard her brother Reuben’s story about the doctor cutting a wart from his foot and she did not want that. She determined in her heart that she would wait for Mahesh Chavda to visit to our church and let him pray for her.
Claire, along with our other children, had come to love and respect Mahesh. They had heard him tell stories of the many healings that had taken place in his ministry around the world. And we had friends who had experienced healings in his meetings. Therefore, little 8-year old Claire decided that Jesus would heal her when Mahesh came to minister.
She entered the meeting with a child’s faith. She went up for prayer and the Lord touched her. She was filled with the Holy Spirit, the wart disappeared overnight and was completely gone the next morning, and she never wet the bed again.

Leah was 7 years old. She was trying to go to sleep but began to cry, saying, “Daddy and Mommy, my tummy hurts!” Laurel and I prayed for her but the pain intensified and she cried even harder. Finally I turned to Laurel and said, “We need to take her to the emergency room.” Still in tears, Leah yelled out, “No! I don’t want to go to the hospital. Pray for me. Jesus will heal me.”
So Laurel and I laid hands on her stomach, and prayed in Jesus’ name. The pain instantly and completely left. Leah suddenly became very calm and relaxed.
I leaned over and kissed her and said, “Leah, wasn’t that nice of Jesus to touch you and take the pain away?”
She, with eyes half closed and ready now for sleep, peacefully and quietly said, “Yeah. ‘Cause if He didn’t, He would be in trouble.” I laughed under my breath and marvelled at the simple faith of a child.

Parents know how frightening it can be when their infant children get the croup. The croup is marked by episodes of harsh, hoarse, and dry coughing accompanied by difficult breathing. Our son Matthew was less than 2 years old and had developed a bad case of it. We were at a Bible Study-prayer meeting at my parents’ home. Matthew began to cough. His face turned red, and his breathing was difficult. My cousin Bootsie said, “You need to take him to the emergency room.” We considered this, but on the way home, faith rose in our hearts. I turned to Laurel and said, “We are going to lay him in his crib and pray over him until he is healed.” Upon entering the house, we laid him in the crib and prayed over him in Jesus’ name. The Lord touched him and he was healed the minute we began to pray. The cough was instantly and completely gone. He lay there quietly consuming his bedtime formula, and fell into a restful sleep for the entire night. When he awoke the next morning he had no symptoms at all. He was healed.

A Neighbor’s Child
As I was leaving a friend’s house one day, He and I passed his five-year old son playing with some toys on the ground. As we discussed other things, the father showed me some sort of bone growth that was on the back of the child’s head. It was just a little smaller than half a ping-pong ball and had been there for years. The doctors had told him it was nothing to worry about. It would not harm the boy, but was simply unattractive and inconvenient. My friend and I did not focus on the child but continued our conversation.

However, as I talked with my friend, I very casually laid my hand on the back of the child’s head a couple times saying, “Lord, bless him.” Again I said, “I know it’s nothing to worry about, but Lord bless him anyway,” as my friend and I went on with the conversation about other things. Then I drove away feeling guilty that I had not taken time to pray an official and “real” prayer over that child. Instead I had only said “Lord, bless him” in passing as I talked about other things.

I was surprised a couple days later when my friend called to tell me that the child’s growth had completely disappeared. The Lord had healed it in response to a simple “Bless him” prayer.

“Let the little children come to me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of God.” Mark 10: 24

Laurel and Billy Long, OUT OF THE BOX  14 Comments [7/18/2017 10:55:26 PM]
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Submitted By: Denizen

Quote# 129473

My empathy is [only for] people who are consistent with my principles.

NAPnationalist, Deviantart forums 11 Comments [7/18/2017 10:53:31 PM]
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Quote# 129471

[OP of "Why concentration camps work"]

A concentration camp is much like a prison. You take the people that you don't want muckin things up in your society and you put them in this camp surrounded by guards and barbed wire. This is much easier than shooting them outright because you remove them from the eye of the public. The last thing the public knew was that these people were perfectly alive and well and that they can be back at anytime. In practice, however, these camps are like black holes from which people are never seen again.

Inside the camp, you can do pretty much anything you want with your new prisoners. Make them work, experiment on them, have fun with them, or just exterminate them. Having them work can be difficult, but is obviously the most immediately beneficial.

Concentration camps have been used successfully by a multitude of countries such as Russia, Germany, and USA. They were extremely effective in pursuing the end goals of those countries. So effective that moral outrage is the only thing holding back the incentives of their establishment.

CapitalJusticeWarior, Reddit - r/Physical_Removal 20 Comments [7/18/2017 10:51:14 PM]
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Submitted By: JeanP

Quote# 129470

Lady Checkmate's headline: "Atheism: The fool has said in his heart there is no God"

Why do atheists ONLY have a problem with Christianity?

They hate truth, but accept lies.
There is power in the name of Jesus Christ and that is why they (under the influence of the enemy - who is using and manipulating them) have set themselves in opposition to Christ, because the name of Jesus changes lives and the anointing destroys yokes. The enemy doesn't want the lost to be found and set free from sin and death.

They also hate Christians because we share the gospel of Jesus Christ (as the Holy Bible instructs us to) with boldness and confidence. They do all they can to discredit men and women of God, but God's word stands true FOREVER. Let God be magnified and glorified in ALL that we do. Amen.

Lady Checkmate, Disqus - Faith & Religion 22 Comments [7/18/2017 10:50:50 PM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 129462

Not only the homosexuals will be annihilated [by God], but this utter destruction includes everyone who is a homosexual sympathizer or is indifferent to the sins of our times.

Walid Shoebat, Shoebat.com: Awareness and Action 20 Comments [7/18/2017 10:40:53 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

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Right-wing pastor and former GOP political candidate E.W. Jackson dedicated his radio program yesterday to complaining about how much “influence the transgender community has in the media” today. During the broadcast, Jackson said that if he saw a LGBTQ activist handing his child pro-gay literature, he “would really need the grace of God not to jump on that person and try to beat them into the ground.”

Jackson recounted an episode several years ago in which he and fellow anti-LGBTQ activists confronted members of GLAAD who were distributing “pro-homosexual pamphlets” to students outside of a middle school. Jackson said that when his group told the GLAAD activists that they had no right to distribute these pamphlets to children, the situation got rather tense as the GLAAD activists insisted that they were going to continue handing out the information because “parents are not going to tell their children the truth about their sexuality.”

Jackson said that he recalled thinking that “what they are doing is really dangerous because if I, as a parent, went to pick up my child and some gay person were bent over talking to my child, handing my child a piece of literature encouraging my child to be gay and to engage in sexual activity period, regardless; man, I would really need the grace of God not to attack that person.”

“I’m serious,” he continued. “I’m just being truthful. I would really need the grace of God not to jump on that person and try to beat them into the ground. I mean, that’s my baby, that’s my child and you’re going to step between me and my child and tell my child something that I object to and act like you have a right to do it? We would have a problem, a very serious problem.”

“If they continue this,” Jackson warned, “at some point, some parent whose child they are approaching is going to walk up and it’s going to get violent.”

E.W. Jackson, Right Wing Watch 18 Comments [7/18/2017 10:30:34 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 129460

(Commenting on story "Bench that Features God Quote from Pennsylvania's Founder Relocated Following Atheist Complaint"):

There goes those people who claim to simply "not believe" going nuts over it like some kind of religious zealots.

You can't put items that promote religion in public areas. It's just that simple, why can't you understand that? This is going to crop up again and again and again, and you're going to lose every single time.

Says who? And what about "cavemen" in public museums? Lose? When did that happen?

Sorry you are so troubled by facts, but that is what you are up against here. Cavemen belong in museums. And you guys keep losing these battles over and over.

Sorry you are trouble with a total lack of facts.

I'm not. Cavemen are in museums, people trying to plant religious figures on public property keep getting shut down. You guys are moths flying into flame over and over. What lack of facts is plaguing me?

Cavemen ARE mythological religious figures on public property. Are you trying to say your religion is ok to shove on the public?
Lack of ANY proof whatsoever for your religious beliefs, try those facts.

Wow, just wow.
A visit to a museum would be an eye-opener for you. You could also see the mythical dinosaur skeletons while you are there, and then you could go to the concession for a nice soda.

Did I say the dinosaur skeletons are mythological or are you throwing out the desperation strawman? Cavemen ARE mythological religious figures on public property.

Prehistoric men have skeletons too.

Correction, mythological skeletons. Interesting how we have so many full skeletons of dinosaurs, yet nothing but hoaxes and empty claims of "cavemen" bones.

What is a "mythological skeleton"?

mythological: adjective; myth·o·log·i·cal\?mi-th?-'lä-ji-k?l\ - lacking factual basis or historical validity.
skeleton: noun; skel·e·ton /'ske-l?-t?n\ - a usually rigid supportive or protective structure or framework of an organism.

So what, they BUILT fake skeletons of prehistoric men for the world's museums?


Oboehner, Christian News Network 20 Comments [7/18/2017 10:29:22 PM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 129457

Wouldn’t the destruction of the American government, wouldn’t that be a wonderful thing to see?

Dave Daubenmire, YouTube 19 Comments [7/18/2017 10:25:59 PM]
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Quote# 129456

Trump has saved entire world from devastations of globalist Paris Climate Agreement.

Steve Jalsevac, Life Site News 22 Comments [7/18/2017 10:18:46 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom
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