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Quote# 127379

All of your arguments against Hovind are saying that he is comparing living things to a highway and house and that is stupid. He is using the highway and house metaphore to highlight the way inanimate objects behave. Which according to the Evolutionist religion (its not actually science) the earth was non biological from 4.5GA (proto earth) to 3.8GA first sign of life. Meaning an inanimite earth turned biological on its own.... BAM! OK so the sun adding energy overcomes the 2 law of thermodynamics? What if I told you adding energy is destructive without a complex mechanism to harness the energy. which came from where? Stop trying to justify your disgusting ways of living, pick up a bible and start learning the truth for your own sake, please.

Josh Earl, FSTDT comments 19 Comments [5/21/2017 2:19:02 PM]
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Quote# 127377

Pride. Arrogance. Rebellion. Selfishness. Conceitedness. I know this because I found these roots in my heart in regards to femininity and masculinity. Women (more specifically wives) are called to be/do the following: Helper: Gen 2:18, Care Taker: Titus 2:3-5, Ultimate image of beauty: Song of Solomon, and Submissive to husbands: 1 Tim. 2: 12.
In the second week, I talked about the seeds that were sown early in my life and the product I reaped was masculinity. I can’t say it enough that this was not done intentionally by my parents. None of this was done with the attitude of: “Oh, I want her to be masculine so I will not say anything and lead her down a masculine path.” Who I was came from a sinful and deceptive heart. It was because of Christ and His sacrifice that I could be redeemed: not just spiritually, but with every aspect of my life. We as Christians are not just called to become saved and live our merry lives with no changing. We are called to sanctification. To fix what is broken.
We as Christians should be redeeming everything we come into contact. Our families, church, schools, friends, extended families, neighbors, everyone we come into contact with. Redeeming…to recover sinful distortions into what they were intended to be. God made Adam and Eve perfect. He created their relationship with Himself and with each other perfect. When sin entered into the world, everything-to include creation-was tainted by sin and became distorted. Our relationships became distorted. Our deepest most intimate connections became distorted. Femininity became distorted. Masculinity became distorted. When I was born, I inherited distortion. After I realized (through God’s magnificent grace alone) that my life was horribly masculine and I was living a distorted life, I began the process of becoming who God made me to be: a true woman. My dress, my speech, my walk, my attitude, and soul was becoming more feminine. I didn’t know how bad everything was until I tried to fix it. Imagine a 25 year old trying to walk with her hips and a sway instead of with her shoulders and like a horse rider that just got off a horse after 4 hours of riding… it wasn’t pretty. If anything it was like the one funny part out of a bad comedy.
My hope and prayer is to encourage women to stand down. To get out of man’s arena (where he ultimately flourishes in) and to get into women’s arena (where she will flourish in). When women go into man’s realm, we are taking their masculinity away. They are not true men when we as women are not true women. When women become the primary protectors and the children run to the women for protection (police officer: mom-librarian: dad). When women become the primary means of providing (CEO: mom-stay at home: dad). When women are the primary spiritual leaders of a Christian home (who is teaching the children to follow the Lord…mom or dad? Who is seen as the spiritual leader? Mom or Dad? Kids aren’t stupid….they know.) The Lord will hold the heads of the households primarily responsible for what goes on. “The man said, “The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me fruit of the tree, and I ate.” Genesis 3:12. God calls Adam to give the account and the distortion began: He blamed God and Eve for what happened.
Kids are sponges. They will soak every distortion up. Praise the Lord for His grace in our children’s life. If it wasn’t for His mercy, “The Lord of the Flies” would be our reality. Although the Lord is sovereign and has 100% control over everything, this does not mean that we step back and not teach our children. We need to teach and train them in the way of the Lord. We need to teach and train the boys to be men and girls to be women. It will be much more difficult (and hypocritical at times) if we don’t act or even know what true manhood and womanhood look like. I implore you to dig deeper, examine your heart, and become the man or woman God intended you to be…. its liberating. Your children and your children’s children will thank you.
“Shall a faultfinder contend with the Almighty? He who argues with God, let him answer it.” Job 40:2.

Nicole Leaman, Disciple Perspective 13 Comments [5/21/2017 2:10:28 PM]
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Quote# 127359

[Post named "Happy General Wolfe Appreciation Day 2014"]

As always on this, the laughably silly Queerbec holiday for St Jean the Baptist Third Edge of the Sword celebrates General Wolfe Appreciation Day. All hail the Conqueror who led the British to their well deserved victory!

Bonus Fete National content: Don't blame me, even the frogs are not celebrating St Jean Baptistê properly.

[NB: General James Wolfe crushed the French troops during the battle of the Plains of Abraham on 1759 and commited numerous war crimes against the civilian population]

Feynman and Coulter's Love Child, The Third Edge of the Sword 4 Comments [5/21/2017 2:09:32 PM]
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Quote# 127344

Shakespeare and abortion

William Shakespeare's masterpiece play Hamlet contains implied references to an attempted abortion by taking abortifacients and the subsequently tragic fate of both the mother (Ophelia) and father (Hamlet). Multiple lines in the play are unmistakable in suggesting this,[1] yet liberals never mention this while teaching about Hamlet in public school.

Shakespeare's portrayal of the wealthy, privileged Ophelia and Hamlet as borderline crazy and suicidal may reflect his disapproval of abortion, and his belief that fate is not kind to those who embrace unapologetically that path and outlook. Shakespeare himself was a devout Christian.

Feminists generally identify with Ophelia as being a victim of men, and if she attempted an abortion then that would be lockstep with feminist ideology. But the unnecessarily tragic outcome awaiting Ophelia after making her immoral choices is something feminists tend to be in denial about.

Andy Schlafly, Conservapedia 21 Comments [5/21/2017 2:07:51 PM]
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Quote# 127360

When President Trump claims there is a WITCH hunt out to get him - that can be taken literally.

Have Christians forgotten that witches have been trying to get him removed from office since he won the presidency? http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/lana-del-rey-joins-effort-to-defeat-trump-with-witchcraft-w468892

I'm curious how many Christians are praying for him to be successful - like we are commanded to do in 1 Timothy 2:1-3 - compared to how many have been nonchalantly hoping he'll fail, just like the witches are doing by consulting evil spirits against the man?

Funny how witches care more about politics than Christians do. What do witches know about the power of politics that Christians will regret NOT knowing in the near future? You cannot be a non-participant pacifist in the midst of a spiritual war!

Both Christians and witches claim to have supernatural power: theirs comes from evil spirits and ours comes from the Holy Spirit. Yet they seem far more dedicated to 'winning' through their demon power than Christians do with our Holy Ghost power! Jesus told His disciples:

"John said to Jesus, "Master, we saw someone using your name to cast out demons, but we told him to stop because he isn't in our group." But Jesus said, "Don't stop him! Anyone who is not against you is for you." John 9:49-50 NLT

Duh! I wish more believers understood this about Donald Trump. He's been very pro-Christian since he took the office. Instead it looks like the witches have cast an effective spell that even blinds the minds of many Christians.

This is why we must not be compromised in any way by sin or laziness. Sin allows an inroad for the enemy to bring confusion and harm against us. We don't all have to vote the same, but we should be clear-minded enough to see when God is moving through someone - whether we agree with them 100% or not.

It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out: if the demon-filled witches are against him, perhaps the Spirit-filled believer should be praying for him. That's just simple spiritual commonsense.

Pray for your President to win - not for his downfall. You never know: your destiny as a believer in this country may be directly tied to his success (or failure) as a President.

Mack Major, Facebook 20 Comments [5/21/2017 6:18:52 AM]
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Quote# 127357

If you are a kissless virgin, you will never experience 90% of human emotion.

The people who have kissed girls live in an entire different universe than us. Their lives are colorful and they wake up each day with a big smile on their face knowing they have the possibility to make their brain scatter with emotions.

You can't even begin to comprehend how they feel. You're locked in the tutorial mode of life forever.

Zen_Overlord, /r/incels 26 Comments [5/20/2017 11:46:37 PM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 127354

Secularism doesn't work. You call your site "Voice of Reason" but in fact most people don't have the intelligence to reason, so they shouldn't even try. Instead, they should respect tradition and religion. If they do try to reason, the result will be nothing more than rationalization of their instincts, because this is all that they are intellectually capable of doing. So then the question becomes how to make such people respect religion over their own dysfunctional minds. The first answer is to have a powerful alpha-male god since humans (and most primates) are wired to respect an alpha-male leader. I would say that the god of Islam is the most alpha of all gods. And the second answer is to provide religious exercises for people to remember their religion. The Old Testament provides the sabbath which is useful for intelligent people who can use this time to think, but is less useful for those of low intelligence. Again, Islam is optimal here with its 5 daily prayers which consist of repeatedly bowing before God, the act of bowing being the primary expression of submission for humans (and most primates). So I would say that Islam today isn't far from ideal, it just needs a few tweaks to make it less fatalistic.

fschmidt, Mikraite 12 Comments [5/20/2017 11:46:26 PM]
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Quote# 127339

Grace Kim Kwon:
Today's USA, the nation itself, is a violation against US Constitution by opposing the Christianity. Man is worthless when he attacks his own good conscience.

TheKingOfRhye:
Please cite exactly where it says in the US Constitution to not "oppose the Christianity."

Grace Kim Kwon:
Religious freedom means exclusively the maximum exercise of Christian religion. Americans knew no other religion.

Grace Kim Kwon, Christian News Network 31 Comments [5/20/2017 9:21:01 PM]
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Quote# 127337

The birth control hormones are getting in the waters and feminazis are raising boys on Ritalin so they become effeminate beta male cucks subservient to the feminazi agenda of eradicating God's natural hierarchy where WOMEN CANNOT TEACH MEN ANYTHING AND MUST STAY IN THE HOME! It is obvious that Swift is all about female empowerment and it's appalling because Jesus Christ isn't that long hair hippie guy depicted by the papists! Jesus Christ is almighty and righteous and our men need to be MANLY IN CHRIST and stop trying to act all effeminate and subservient like these hipster autistic nerds with their ponies and hentai and beards and man buns and rompers and fake affinity for science! "Men" are even wearing eyeliner and women's perfume nowadays while dykes and other feminazis are trampling all over them in defiance of God's natural law!

James Wilson, FSTDT 30 Comments [5/20/2017 9:20:51 PM]
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Quote# 127332

HOW TO IMPOSE A ONE-PARTY THEOCRACY IN BRITAIN

HOW TO ESTABLISH A BRITISH CALIPHATE IN ONE EASY STEP, WITHOUT CONVERTING A SINGLE SOUL

HOW TO DESTROY FEMINISM

HOW TO RETURN THE GOVERNMENT TO SANITY AND MORALITY

What is this first step?

The Koran is generally acknowledged to be a great work of literature, even by non-Muslims.

It is also said to be the directly revealed Word of God.

If that is so, it should be regarded as a contract between God and Man.

It promises to be a warning and a guide for mankind and warrants that its guidance will keep man peaceful and at peace with himself, but only if its directions are followed.

While it is said to be a religion of peace, it is also a religion of war – a war against evil and oppression, idolatry and irrationality, intoxication, usury, gambing and sexual licence.

This being so, it would benefit law students to study such a divine contract, whether or not they are Muslim as it would usefully add to their legal knowledge and drafting skills.

Even if Koranic knowledge were acquired reluctantly, just for the utilitarian purpose of passing a law exam and getting a law degree, it is very likely that the law student who goes on to becomes a legal practitioner will apply Koranic principles either consciously or unconsciously when interpreting and applying the law.

An example of this is seen in the case of Donoghue v Stevenson which promoted the Christian principle of love thy neighbour also found in The Old Testament in Leviticus. The Koran has a similar principle too.

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YUSUFALI: Serve Allah, and join not any partners with Him; and do good- to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbours who are near, neighbours who are strangers, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (ye meet), and what your right hands possess: For Allah loveth not the arrogant, the vainglorious;-


PICKTHAL: And serve Allah. Ascribe no thing as partner unto Him. (Show) kindness unto parents, and unto near kindred, and orphans, and the needy, and unto the neighbour who is of kin (unto you) and the neighbour who is not of kin, and the fellow-traveller and the wayfarer and (the slaves) whom your right hands possess. Lo! Allah loveth not such as are proud and boastful,


SHAKIR: And serve Allah and do not associate any thing with Him and be good to the parents and to the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the neighbor of (your) kin and the alien neighbor, and the companion in a journey and the wayfarer and those whom your right hands possess; surely Allah does not love him who is proud, boastful;



There will doubtless be skeptics and Islamophobes who will have to be persuaded of the wisdom of adopting such a course, which they will find objectionable and frightening.

To counter them, simply form a Koran Book Club and offer generous prizes to non-Muslims only for essays that confirm what has been said above.

The Caliphate should be fully mature in about two decades, I predict.

http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.co.uk/search?q=Secular+Koranism


1. If Islam is Judaism Lite, Secular Koranism is Islam Lite.
2. Secular Koranism is the vaccination for Radical Islam. Think of Edward Jenner and his immunisation programme. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Jenner Secular Koranism is cow pox and Radical Islam is small pox.
3. The problem with Muslims is that they prefer the Hadith to the Koran, even as they acknowledge the Koran to be the revealed Word of God, while the Hadith was compiled by fallible humans.
4. Muslims cannot bring themselves to reject the Hadith where it is contradicted by the Koran for to do so would be considered heresy by most of their fellow Muslims.
5. What Islamophobes hate about Islam comes from the Hadith.
6. If the Koran says "all animals are equal" the Hadith says "but some animals are more equal than others".
7. The Koran is well-drafted enough to withstand a literal interpretation.
8. Thesis = Old Testament; Antithesis = New Testament; Synthesis = Koran.
9. The Koran has less harsh punishments than the Old Testament.
10. The hatred the West have for Islam is based mainly on cultural chauvinism and the belief that brown and backward people whom they have conquered cannot possibly have a better religion than Christianity.
11. Napoleon Hill, who wrote THINK AND GROW RICH, promoted Islam. http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.co.uk/2009/03/think-and-grow-rich-author-napoleon.html
12. Man created God to protect him from the slut.
13. All the Abrahamic faiths promote the same moral precepts. The moral precepts promoted by the Abrahamic faiths bring about social cohesion, which protects your society from internal and external enemies.
14. Who are the internal enemies of a society? Sluts and socialists.
15. The patriarchy is maintained by the precepts of the Abrahamic faiths.
16. The matriarchy reasserts itself when the precepts of the Abrahamic faiths are abandoned.
17. All advanced societies are patriarchal, and all declining and primitive societies are matriarchal.
18. A patriarchy is a society that condones male promiscuity while a matriarchy is a society that condones female promiscuity.
19. Female promiscuity facilitates male promiscuity.
20. Male promiscuity is more easily checked by women being told not to be sluts.
21. A slut is a woman who has extramarital sex.
22. The evil the prohibition against extramarital sex was intended to prevent is widespread bastardy.
23. Widespread bastardy leads to widespread degeneracy and racial and national decline, leading eventually to civilisational extinction.
24. Only the Koran will save the West from feminism and allow it to go back to basics now.
25. To tolerate sluts means to tolerate bastards, to tolerate both means to tolerate a cancer growing within your society whose numbers grow exponentially. To say it is OK for women to be sluts means you are saying it is OK for your race and nation to breed an inferior, criminal, unproductive, degenerate and parasitical race within your race at the expense of the productive.
26. The defect of Christianity is that it requires a corrupt and corruptible priesthood who will interpret scripture to suit the political orthodoxy of the time, eg gay marriage.
27. The advantage of Islam is the Koran whose clearly-drafted precepts are easily translatable into legal principles.
28. The law restrains the extent of our immorality. "The people are the grass, the law the wind. When the wind blows, the grass will bend."
29. A legal system infused with Koranic principles can dispense with the need of for a corrupt and corruptible priesthood to maintain and promote morality.
30. Secular Koranism - a legal system and not a belief system - can be interpreted and applied by a non-Muslim judiciary.

Claire Khaw, The Voice of Reason 26 Comments [5/20/2017 3:36:30 AM]
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Franklin's Nightmare Award

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Quote# 127329

[Comment under "DISCUSS OUR NEXT STEPS HERE"]

put mods that are actually red pilled on the JQ, or at least support a temporary fascist state to restore the republic. The US is supposed to be a secular, constitutional republic built on traditional justice, natural rights, and natural law. Those that believe in "social justice" and argue solely using bulverism, reject the social compact created by the white European men that wrote our constitution. Any belief or ideology that works to undermine this social compact is evil no matter how well-intentioned. without legal recourse or traditional justice, how do we combat the evil that has subverted our nation?

AfroCen, Reddit - r/OperationPol 12 Comments [5/20/2017 3:36:15 AM]
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Submitted By: JeanP

Quote# 127327

Modern culture is evil. If you don't agree with this, let me save you some time and suggest that you stop reading here. This post discusses alternatives to modern culture on the assumption that you reject modern culture because it is evil. What are the alternatives to modern culture? Before discussing alternatives that I think can work, I will discuss alternatives that don't work.

Politics doesn't work. Moral people are an insignificant minority in all nations today. And never in history has a nation been made moral through politics. Politics is useful in a society formed by moral people. In such a society, politics can help implement the will of these moral people. This is how America worked before it became evil. But in an evil society, politics is just a contest for power, nothing more.

Modern Christianity doesn't work. Modern Christianity is all faith and no works, which means no morality. The main practical difference between a modern Christian and an atheist is that the modern Christian violates the third commandment while the atheist doesn't, making the atheist slightly less sinful than the modern Christian. I discussed in detail what went wrong with modern Christianity in The Rise and Fall of Christian Culture.

Modern Catholicism doesn't work. To a large degree, what went wrong with Protestantism has infected Catholicism. The current Pope is a total disaster. But Catholicism was essentially doomed by the Second Vatican Council which fully gave in to modern culture.

White nationalism doesn't work. No racial movement in history has succeeded without religious backing. White nationalists who want success should copy the most successful racial movement, namely Judaism. This means that white nationalists need to pick a religion for their movement. Until they do so, they are a hopeless bunch.

That completes the important options that don't work. Now let's consider options that work. History shows that all good cultures are supported by a good religion. How can one judge if a religion is good and strong enough to resist modern culture? One superficial way to judge that I have found to be very effective is just to ask whether men and women sit separately during religious service. Religions that have maintained this separation have shown that they are strong enough to resist modern culture

Orthodox Judaism works well if you are a racist jew. I am jewish but not racist, so Judaism doesn't work for me. For non-jewish racists, Orthodox Judaism is a model well worth copying.

Orthodox Christianity may work in some conditions. Mainstream Orthodox Christianity does not work in the West because it is too weak of a religion to withstand modern culture. This can be seen by the fact that the sexes are mixed in service. Historically, Orthodox Christianity has always partnered with a government that supports it, so this seems to be the condition in which it works. Currently, the obvious candidate is Orthodox Christianity in Russia where it has government backing. I haven't been to Russia, so I can't say for sure how well this works, but I think this is an option well worth investigating for Christians.

True Orthodox Christianity is a variant of Orthodox Christianity that looks interesting and may actually work in the West. But it is small and its future is uncertain. Here is a very good set of videos explaining the idea.

Conservative Mennonism is an excellent alternative for Christians. All of traditional Anabaptism is sound, but the conservative Mennonites seem to have found the optimal balance. They don't reject all modern technology as Old Order Anabaptists do (like the Amish), but they still do a good job keeping modern culture out. They are serious Christians, serious about following Jesus's teachings. The book Brethren Thinking written by an unconventional Old Order Anabaptist provides a highly intelligent introduction to Anabaptist thinking. The book An Introduction to Old Order and Conservative Mennonite Groups provides a good overview of the Mennonite variants. I specifically recommend the Mennonite groups classified as "Ultra-Conservatives" on page 162 of this book. You can find a Mennonite church near you using this map. If you have any more questions about Mennonites, you can ask on this Mennonite forum.

Islam is an alternative worth investigating. While Islam has issues today, it has worked well in the past. And it still at least upholds basic moral traditions. I believe that Islam is the religion that is most likely to have a reformation and become the next successful culture. But to judge Islam for yourself, you should visit your local mosque and read the Quran.

Mikraite is the alternative that I have chosen. None of the above options work for me because I am not a jewish racist and not Christian. So I worked with some like-minded people to form a moral religion based on the Old Testament. You can read more in What is a Mikraite?.

fschmidt, Mikraite 22 Comments [5/20/2017 1:47:50 AM]
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Quote# 127326

Incels of modern culture deserve no sympathy

Modern culture is the cause of incel. So if you remain in modern culture, then you deserve no sympathy. Whine all you want, then suffer and die. I don't care. But if you are a non-moron, then reject modern culture and solve incel by looking abroad.

fschmidt, /r/incels 15 Comments [5/20/2017 1:47:48 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 127320

...a preacher of the Israelite School, a man who identifies himself as General Mayakaahla Ka, offers this stark prediction for the future of the white race: "Every white person who doesn't get killed by Christ when he returns is going into slavery!"

Mayakaahla Ka, Southern Poverty Law Center 10 Comments [5/20/2017 1:47:24 AM]
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Quote# 127315

I THINK THEY WERE THE USEFUL IDIOTS THAT VLADAMIR LENIN REFERRED TO IN THE EX SOVIET UNION WHO HAD NO PURPOSE BUT WERE A USEFUL TOOL FOR SOMEONE TO USE TO ACHIEVE WHATEVER GOAL SOMEONE WAS AFTER LIKE ALL THIS EQUAL RIGHTS CRAP AND GARBAGE CAUSE WE ARE NOT ALL EQUAL AND NOT BY A LONGSHOT, AND THERE ARE TO MANY EXAMPLE TO USE AND I AM NOT INTERESTED IN WRITING A BOOK ON THIS THREAD AND YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN..........................................................?

OBAMA HATER, Youtube 11 Comments [5/20/2017 1:46:54 AM]
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Quote# 127306

If you think (and you’d better) that your soul matters enough to Satan that he will bother to send you a tempter, just imagine the horde he dispatches to batter the president.

John Zmirak, The Stream 24 Comments [5/19/2017 11:34:13 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 127304

Gays and lesbians are one of the most influential, best-connected, best-funded, and best-organized interest groups in modern politics, and have attained more legislative victories, political power, and popular favor in less time than virtually any other group in American history. Scary huh? Just remember that God is still upon His throne and the wicked have already been defeated, they just don't know it yet. Everyone must return to the dust of the earth, and THEN THE JUDGMENT (Hebrews 9:27).

Perverts like Miley Cyrus, Justin Bieber and Katy Perry are pushing today's youth into the homosexual lifestyle. ABC's lesbian “modern family” and Walt Disney's teen programming are all pushing the homosexual agenda. God only knows the persecution and prosecution around the corner for God-fearing, faithful, sin-hating, Christ-honoring, believers in the United States. YOU ARE THE ENEMY CHRISTIANS! Most believers are eerily silent right now, because the homosexuals aren't fighting against us yet. You just wait! Once they gain solid control, you're going to see persecution of God-fearing Christians like never before in our nation.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Precious 22 Comments [5/19/2017 11:33:55 AM]
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Quote# 127283

Parodyx:
(Homosexuality) is found throughout nature, therefore natural.

Oboehner:
Rape, murder, incest, cannibalism, torture, bestiality, etc. are all found in nature so according to you - natural.

Parodyx:
Here we go again, back to the same acts of abuse which homosexuality isn't. Is this a fun game for you?

Oboehner:
Here we go again using lame nonsense about gay being natural and running to hide when someone points out that your logic makes all the other things the occur in nature natural as well - by the exact same standard.

Parodyx:
The response to that is still the same response it has always been, the same response you've gotten from other people, the same response you will always hear from anyone halfway reasonable: CONSENT. Which, not coincidentally, is the word YOU unfailingly run hiding from- every single time.

Oboehner:
You stated if it happens in nature it's normal, you lying bro?

Parodyx:
I'll play your game. I stand by my statement. Now you get to explain to me why you think rape and torture are normal.

Oboehner:
My son and I recently witnessed 10-15 male ducks gang-raping a female (who repeatedly tried to get away). Have you ever seen a cat with a torturing a mouse, or heard the death scream of a rabbit caught in the talons of an owl? You also neglected to address cannibalism, incest, and pedophilia which also occur in nature so therefore according to you are all natural. Homosexuality is a state of being - being mentally/emotionally ill.

Parodyx:
None of those things is what any reasonable person would call torture (or incest or pedophilia). The animal kingdom has its own set of rules for what takes place. Cats eat mice. Owls eat rabbits. Since the medical world has no issue with homosexuality, I don't either. And your reason boils down simply to the superstition you were raised with.

Oboehner:
Now we are attempting to create different rules to justify you lame ridiculous statements?
Animals mate out of instinct, for example when a whitetail buck is in the rut, it will "breed" anything that resembles a doe (including each other). My wife's aunt one sent her a postcard depicting a buck doing a German Shepherd, so according to you bestiality is natural.
The honest medical world know homosexuality is a mental/emotional disorder. Nothing changed since the APA first put it on their list except political pressure.

Parodyx:
Bestiality is defined as a human being having sex with an animal. It's not defined as an animal having sex with another animal. The APA changed their stance because they got better data and it's only gotten better since then. I can't really explain what's going on with anyone stupid enough to believe you can lobby a medical organization. Especially when you are a marginalized group with little to no power as it was with homosexuals in the 1970s, but I get that you need your confirmation bias provided by hate groups.

Oboehner:
Cross species is cross species no matter who does it. Then homo must be two humans and not two animals - so you lie again.
"The APA changed their stance because they got better data." Another lie, it was political period, no new data, just PC BS.
I can't really explain what's going on with anyone stupid enough to believe you can't lobby a medical organization with enough pressure.

Parodyx:
You can't. Science is science. How do you lobby something that is authoritative? That's your problem right there. You don't accept authority. So running away with your hands covering your ears means that you can pretend evolution doesn't occur and even consulting a dictionary to you is an "appeal to authority". It isn't an appeal if the source is iron-clad factual. This is your way of trying to level the playing field so that everything becomes "faith" when your own faith is ridiculed when it makes bigoted statements. Who's the troll now? Daresay it's you.
Speaking of authority and the dictionary, look up "bestiality" to see how your attempt to twist its meaning failed so horribly.

Oboehner:
"Science is science" What is that some kind of magic phrase to somehow prove anything?

"What’s noteworthy about this is that the removal of homosexuality from
the list of mental illnesses was not triggered by some scientific
breakthrough. There was no new fact or set of facts that stimulated
this major change. Rather, it was the simple reality that gay people
started to kick up a fuss. They gained a voice and began to make
themselves heard. And the APA reacted with truly astonishing speed.
And with good reason. They realized intuitively that a protracted battle
would have drawn increasing attention to the spurious nature of their
entire taxonomy. So they quickly “cut loose” the gay community and
forestalled any radical scrutiny of the DSM system generally" - Behaviorism and Mental Health dot com



Oboehner, Christian News Network 17 Comments [5/19/2017 11:31:32 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 127276

You cannot listen to Hawaiian radio, nor visit anywhere in Hawaii, where King Kamehameha is not idolized. Literally, the Hawaiians have turned their last dead king into a god that they worship. All you hear about in their music is about their dead king who died in a California hospital.

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King Kamehameha is sadly burning in Hell, because he died in his sins without Jesus Christ. The Hawaiians are infamous for worshipping volcanoes, the earth, rocks and the ocean. This is a road to Hell. The islands have always been plagued with willful ignorance and evil, homosexuality and feminism, where the inhabitants desire only to indulge in drunkenness and wickedness.

Sadly, most Hawaiians will go to Hell because they are arrogant. The Hawaiians are a sinfully proud culture and unmovable. They love their heathen dead king; while rejecting the King of kings, Jesus Christ. I am not hateful toward anyone, and not toward Hawaiians either. It's the other way around. Christians are hated in Hawaii. If you ever visit Hawaii, you will be told repeatedly by your tourist guides about the missionaries who forbade hula dancing and forced the Hawaiians to become Christians, and you will sense the contempt and hatred they have for Christians.

It is tragic that amongst all the beautiful music and nature in Hawaii that they would choose to worship a dead man, instead of worshipping the Lord Jesus Christ! I love people, all people. God is no respecter of persons and neither am I. But I call things as I see them. I see Hawaiians as arrogant, stubborn and sinfully proud; just as are many other cultures. Certainly, there are some born-again Hawaiians, and I thank God for both of them. The rest are going to burn in Hell. If that offends you, then it's only because you do not believe in a literal Hell that burns with fire and brimstone, where the wicked will be tormented day-and-night for all eternity (Revelation 20:15; 21:8). Amen and amen!

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 28 Comments [5/19/2017 11:31:13 AM]
Fundie Index: 10

Quote# 127274

I (@right-hand-path) am actually an Alumni of Liberty University, and I would say about 90% of my experiences with them have been good. I’ve also got a degree from a secular university with a reasonably “conservative” reputation, but I would probably say that only about 60% to 70% of my experiences there would have been “good” by comparison with LU. I can’t imagine the horrors of attending a secular university where “Social Justice” is the law of the land. So don’t let the negative perceptions of LU stop you from attending there if that is where you would like to go.

I specifically chose to go to LU because of it’s reputation. If secular society hates something that much, then you KNOW it must be good! (See John 15:18 and Matthew 10:22)

That said, pretty much all Christian universities are getting some hate these days, even from some self-identified “Christians” themselves. On my side blog (@anotherpointlessargument), I recently debated a “Christian” who insists that persecution doesn’t exist and Christians are actually “horrible people” that aren’t “Christ-like” enough for her personal taste. She then cited anecdotal evidence for this claim, her status as a student at a Baptist university, before refusing to talk to me any further.

It is sad that so many Christians are blind to the existence of persecution and the shift in worldviews of the majority of American citizens to an exclusively secular perspective that treats Christians as “bigots” who need to be silenced. However, this is the great thing about Liberty University, because they are one of the few educational institutions which directly confronts these problems and makes significant efforts to educate all their students about it.

If GOVT 200 isn’t required for your degree plan (it is required for most, to the best of my knowledge), I would strongly encourage you to take it as an elective. Prevailing Worldviews of Western Society Since 1500 by Glenn R. Martin is probably one of the most informative books I’ve ever read, and that class honestly contained more information than some of the graduate level classes I’ve taken at LU.

anti-christophobia, Tumblr 11 Comments [5/19/2017 11:30:46 AM]
Fundie Index: 5

Quote# 127272

Taylor Swift is a succubus! If you lust after the flesh of Taylor Swift, you will NOT inherit the Kingdom of God! The evil succubus Taylor Swift has created a den for Lucifer in her wickedly sinful vagina, and Satan formed the evil nasty woman with perfectly circular and perky breasts because God would rather have weak trembling boys than STRONG MEN OF GOD! "Boys only want love if it's torture" this succubus has no interest in God and godly love and she didn't understand agape love so therefore she's a disgusting nasty woman who simply wants to have sex with as many men as possible and getting birth control hormones in the water and making men weak beta males full of estrogen like these atheist nerdy video game users who pretend to care about science! Wearing Pi shirts and taking advice from ENGINEER Bill Nye who claims to be an expert in biology, cosmology, astronomy, and meteorology! He's as much of a scientist as the manager of my nearest Wendy's! Little nerds on here can't even get anything right!

James Wilson, RationalWiki 24 Comments [5/19/2017 11:30:06 AM]
Fundie Index: 10

Quote# 127269

Pray this imprecatory prayer for the wicked state legislators. In the Name of Jesus, I prophesy and declare: may all the individuals serving in the state legislature, and their staff, who support, promote and practice sodomy and other perverted, sexually deviant lifestyles, who support the killing of unborn babies, and who hate God’s Law and God’s Word, receive just retribution from God for their evil actions. May they receive what their unfaithful ways deserve. May they be consumed, collapse, rot and be blown away as dust from their current positions because of their wicked works, thoughts and deeds. May people scorn them and nations abhor them. May their punishment lead them to repentance and faith in Christ. May God’s will be done in their lives.

Steven Horze, Texas Freedom Network 6 Comments [5/19/2017 11:29:59 AM]
Fundie Index: 5
Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 127268

Over the weekend, the WannaCry ransomware attack targeted Microsoft Windows systems across the globe, even disrupting hospitals in Britain.

But Russia won’t have to worry about anything like that happening because the Orthodox Church’s Patriarch Kirill apparently visited the Ministry of Internal Affairs and sprayed holy water on the computers.

They can hack our political campaigns, but they think spraying water on computers is a smart move… #Logic

It won’t do any good, obviously, and I suspect the government let Kirill work his magic because he’s a powerful figure in the country. I think the government official standing in the middle of the room with the “you’ve got to be kidding me” look speaks for all of us.

Kirill has previous blamed the rise of ISIS on the “godless, secular” civilization in which we live. Also: Pride parades. He also thinks marriage equality is a “very dangerous sign of the apocalypse.”
And now he’s adding to his bullshit-filled toolbox with holy water. Because who needs a white hat when you have religious headgear at your disposal?

Patriarch Kirill, Patheos 11 Comments [5/19/2017 11:29:47 AM]
Fundie Index: 6
Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 127267

Fundie discussion leads to too many men and women interacting with each other

Re: Riba' in housing

WARNING

The limit has been exceeded for back and forth posts between the genders in the thread.

Please desist from further activity and minimize the interaction in the future.

RAS

A.Basheer, ummah.com 14 Comments [5/19/2017 11:29:05 AM]
Fundie Index: 9
Submitted By: Mister Spak

Quote# 127266

The world's numerous religions are evidence for the spiritual source of our conscious human awareness.



Alan Burns, Religion and Ethics 13 Comments [5/19/2017 11:28:46 AM]
Fundie Index: 6
Submitted By: NearlySane
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