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Quote# 125472

The Great Commission is fourfold: (1) Go into all the world, (2) Preach the Gospel, (3) Water baptize converts as a public profession of their faith, (4) Indoctrinate them with the Word of God, so they can bear much fruit and reproduce (Luke 8:15). It is this fourth command in The Great Commission that is called “discipleship.” The reason why we have so many shallow Christian testimonies in America today is because churches don't fully obey The Great Commission, failing to teach converts or mentor them to become soulwinners! God intended for “The Great Commission” to perpetuate the New Testament Church!

It also requires hating everyone and everything in this life in comparison to your love for God. That's why I preach hard and uncompromising like I do, making enemies all around the world.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Precious 9 Comments [3/18/2017 6:09:10 PM]
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Quote# 125527

Simply put and defined. Lord Jesus Christ is my Husband, Boyfriend, Honey, Sweetheart, Darling, Super Sugar Daddy, Emperor. I’m His son and bride and an immortal concubine that always stays calm and cool when witnessing my Husband kissing another saint. I do promise I will never be hysterically crying and weeping and slamming another saint’s immortal face, just because Jesus kisses him or her in a long, sweet French kiss in front of my eyes. Oh, baby, that gotta be a great challenge for me to handle and deal with in my eternal life. Well, that’s just the only problem I might face in my eternal life with my Jesus, my Boyfriend and Husband. I must share my Jesus with other saints. I can do it.

usachinanukewar, All-out US-China nuclear war, looming, to wipe out one-fourths of the earth 11 Comments [3/18/2017 4:20:05 PM]
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Submitted By: Denizen

Quote# 125469

[From "The Dating Dilemma" - Bolding mine]

I have often wished parents could see their youngsters at school or Bible camp without the youngster's knowledge. Parents would learn a great deal about the impact these premature boy-girl relationships have had on their sons and daughters. I have observed at camps for example that many girls get up one and two hours before reville. To pray? Memorize Scripture, read their Bibles and meditate on Scripture? No, if this were true, we would certainly have different camps. The reason for this zeal to get out of bed is to "put on their face" with painstaking care so as to best be able to attract the latest cute boy they are chasing.

How popular would camp be if everyone knew in advance only boys or only girls would be in attendance? At the very least, I believe it is incumbent on us as Christian leaders to prevent and discourage this fleshly nonsense, such as different times for swimming of boys and girls, seating at all events, chapels, meals, etc., segregated by sex, no physical or contact sports with mixed sexes, etc.

[...]

My children know they will never be allowed to date a person their parents are not actively considering as genuine marriage-material for them. And then, dating is with a no-touch policy and is always chaperoned.

In other words, such dating would not occur until after high school and would be under strictly controlled circumstances. Moreover, the person dated would only be a candidate previously considered, prayed over, and enthusiastically approved by the parents, not someone chosen by the emotional whims or fleshly likes of our children. Most youngsters know far more about driving a car than they do about how to choose a marriage partner.

What a relief for a youngster to know that they are not allowed to participate in frantic boy/girl relationships! They can actually concentrate on the responsibility of becoming the youngster God and their parents want them to be instead of being involved in this popular, fleshly distraction. Some youngsters are battling with feelings of insecurity, low self-image, rejection, etc., because of the intense social pressure among their peers to conform in this practice of dating. They believe they are a failure if they do not measure up to the standards of the group.

Mom and Dad, if you would prevent this dating game in your youngster's life, you will probably see improved academics, family relationships, spiritual growth, and emotional stability instead of wondering about their loyalty, thought life, and whether they will keep their purity through high school. One cannot find what we call dating or pairing off in the Bible with the possible exception of Sampson in the Book of Judges. And he stands out as a strong warning against the indulgence of flesh. Whereas he was physically the strongest man in the world, he was weak in controlling his desires and emotions which ultimately cost him his testimony, his eyesight, his honor, and even his life.

Fathers, please do not expect your virile, immature young son to control his emotions and rein in his flesh when a woman's whorish ways can even overcome many "strong men" (Proverbs 7:26), and absolutely destroy them. What he needs is a Dad who will say no to dating and pairing off for his boy and careful guidance about parentally approved, chaperoned dating when he is ready for marriage. Youngsters need parents who will be looking for prospective marriage candidates on their behalf, parents who will look for character, compatibility of families, spiritual qualifications, who would compliment their child, etc. A levelheaded, Holy Spirit directed parent is far more qualified to seek marriage prospects than a teenager with roller coaster emotions, newly functioning glands and who is filled with desires very difficult for him to control.

Parents, you can have your daughter wear a white wedding gown and not be a liar about the purity it represents. Your children can come to a wedding altar pure, having never even touched their spouse if you love them enough to lay down some rules and assist them through this potential pitfall of life called dating. It not only is devastating to emotions and to moral purity, it is a colossal failure in terms of producing strong, stable marriages. One only has to look at the overloaded divorce courts to see the awful results of dating and the marriages that resulted from this modern American practice.

Rev. Ronald E. Williams, Faith Bible Baptist Church 16 Comments [3/18/2017 4:07:33 PM]
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Submitted By: JeanP

Quote# 125465

Lamar W. Eagerton Sr.: I don't understand why Ken Ham lends this imposter credibility by giving him a platform. He isn't even a scientist.

Mark L. for Ken here: with Mr. Nye's new TV program, a movie, and his constant presence on TV and elsewhere, it is more important than ever to counter his very public views of origins and climate change. People need to be equipped.

Lamar W. Eagerton Sr. & Mark L., Ken Ham's Facebook page 7 Comments [3/18/2017 4:01:39 PM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 125464

If 1 terrorist gets into USA...1...all American patriots need to A) Boycott Hawaii...and B) Sue Hawaii for billions in damages & losses.

Wayne Allyn Root, Twitter 14 Comments [3/18/2017 3:58:59 PM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 125523

Royce has claimed that Jesus is mentioned by name in the Constitution.

MarkSebree:
Where? Article and paragraph please. If in the Amendments, then the Amendment, and in applicable, the section and paragraph.

By the way, the Declaration of Independence is not the US Constitution.

You making a claim that is so easy to show to be false does not change the facts either.

Royce E. Van Blaricome:
Ever watch Bill O'Reilly when he gives the "Word of the Day"? If so, you'll be familiar with "Go look it up. If someone gives you the answers you don't learn anything and you don't remember it."

I know full well that the DOI isn't the Constitution. That's why I was the guy who pointed out to someone below a few days ago that "Creator" is not in the Constitution but rather the DOI.

You making a claim that is so easy to show to be false does not change the facts either. The words are right there in Black & white and they've NEVER been erased.

So thank you for showing who really has NO credibility because you're absolutely right - it is SO easy to show your absolutely wrong and your claims are provably false.

MarkSebree:
If "God, Christ, Jesus is [sic] clearly stated in the Constitution", then you should be able to point to the exact places. You have not shown that I am wrong, or that my claims are false. In fact, all I did was ask you to substantiate your claim, and you are dodging and running away.

Royce E. Van Blaricome:
I can. And btw, the correct word is "is". God, Jesus, Christ are one in the same.

I'm not dodging and running away of anything. And actually, it is YOU who made the claim with "You making a claim that is so easy to show to be false does not change the facts either."

So, since it's so easy, go and do it. As I've repeated said, it's right there in Black & White. I'm not spoonfeeding you squat because people don't learn anything from that. Just as I also said on here before.

MarkSebree:
"I can."

Then do so.

"And btw, the correct word is "is". God, Jesus, Christ are one in the same."

Then you should only be using one name, not three. As you have them written, they are three names, and thus the correct form of the verb is the plural.

"'m not dodging and running away of anything. And actually, it is YOU who made the claim with "You making a claim that is so easy to show to be false does not change the facts either.

So, since it's so easy, go and do it. As I've repeated said, it's right there in Black & White. I'm not spoonfeeding you squat because people don't learn anything from that. Just as I also said on here before."

Fine. It is only possible to show a negative in this case because the solution space is finite and small. None of the words "god", "Jesus", "Christ" or any other deity are mention in the US Constitution or in any of its amendments. No specific religion is mentioned in the US Constitution. The only mentioned of religion in the US Constitution are restrictions on the government, and those mentions are generic and apply equally to all religions. The complete transcript of the US Constitution can be found at www dot archives dot gov.

The real burden of proof is actually on you. You have made the affirmative claim that the US Constitution "clearly states" or references your deities.

Royce E. Van Blaricome:
Evidently, you have a little problem with tracking and remembering what I previously said so let me repeat myself:

Ever watch Bill O'Reilly when he gives the "Word of the Day"? If so, you'll be familiar with "Go look it up. If someone gives you the answers you don't learn anything and you don't remember it."

"Then you should only be using one name, not three. As you have them written, they are three names, and thus the correct form of the verb is the plural."

Your Biblical ignorance does not dictate the use of the English language.

"None of the words "god", "Jesus", "Christ" or any other deity are mention in the US Constitution or in any of its amendments. No specific religion is mentioned in the US Constitution."

Wrong.

Thank you for posting the website address for all to go to. I appreciate that. I actually went there and I appreciate you proving yourself wrong.

It's right there on that very site you gave in black & white, MUCH APPRECIATED!!

Oh, and btw, I further REALLY appreciate just how blind the spiritually-dead can be.

Royce E. Van Blaricome, Christian News Network 8 Comments [3/18/2017 3:18:25 PM]
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Quote# 125520

This day, I’m gotta smash and shatter all the pillars in the deep bunkers, flattening and crumpling all the bunkers. Oh, baby, this gotta takes a whole day.

After finishing this task, I’m gotta fly back to my new home city, the new Capital City of the whole world, Jerusalem.

And, of course, I’m gotta take a shower or even a bath, wiping out all the stink smells relating to those deep bunkers.

And, I’m gotta lock my sword in the basement of my mansion. Lord Jesus Christ is going to give every single Christian a mansion as reward.

And, I’m gotta lock the door of the basement in my mansion. I don’t need my sword anymore after executing those brazen banking cartels. I need no more sword.

I wanna see every single drop of blood of my own kind, both Chinese and Taiwanese, to be paid back.

IF I can be the executioner, the better. I’m gotta be the most horrifying invisible thing ever.

This is my secret biography, the title,

I Am “The Thing”.

usachinanukewar, All-out US-China nuclear war, looming, to wipe out one-fourths of the earth 7 Comments [3/18/2017 1:37:24 PM]
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Submitted By: Denizen

Quote# 125518

believe me, i learn Jesus is Emperor in a very terrifying and bloody way. No matter who you are, rich or poor, the last thing mankind wanna do is to violate Jesus’ Doctrines and upset Jesus, for Jesus is Emperor with absolute authority and power. In Heaven and on the earth, or anywhere, the last thing mankind wanna do is to upset Jesus and violate Jesus’ Doctrines. I learn Jesus is my Emperor in a very bloody and terrifying way, massive blood spitting with high fever for days, ending up crying repenting for mercy and heal in church service. Jesus is Emperor. I learn this in a very bloody and terrifying way in 2005.

usachinanukewar, All-out US-China nuclear war, looming, to wipe out one-fourths of the earth 4 Comments [3/18/2017 1:37:20 PM]
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Submitted By: Denizen

Quote# 125516

Professing Christians who voted for Obama, the great deceiver (his true colors are showing now, and this is becoming much more obvious … ), are among those who live in a false love and false righteousness and display so little godly discernment.

Bert Farias, Charisma News 11 Comments [3/18/2017 1:37:06 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 125515

If the president said it, if I were you, I would believe it because Trump is not going to say a thing that is not true.

Jesse Lee Peterson, Rebuilding the Man 22 Comments [3/18/2017 1:35:01 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 125514

[This time I left out what little formatting the article has because I want to be easy on your eyes. This website is second only to Jesus is Savior itself in terms of garishness. Enjoy.]

Homosexuals Target Children
Sponge Bob, Barney promote 'gay' tolerance
61,000 schools to receive "We Are Family"
video with lesson plan

Posted: January 6, 2005

© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com



In a new video to be distributed to 61,000 schools across the nation, homosexual activists are using popular children's TV characters such as SpongeBob SquarePants and Barney the dinosaur to surreptitiously indoctrinate young children into their lifestyle, a pro-family activist group charges.

SpongeBob SquarePants is one of the popular children's TV characters appearing in a new 'tolerance' video.

Based on the 1970s hit song "We Are Family," the video will be distributed to public and private elementary schools nationwide March 11, along with lesson plans for teachers, points out the American Family Association.

The distribution, sponsored by FedEx, will coincide with the video's broadcast March 11 on Nickelodeon, PBS, and the Disney Channel in celebration of the proposed National We Are Family Day.

AFA researcher Ed Vitagliano sees the project as an "open door" to a secondary discussion of homosexuality, noting the the foundation has a "tolerance pledge" on it's website that children and others are encouraged to sign, which includes sexual orientation.

"While we want everyone to respect other people's beliefs, we do not consider it appropriate for children's television to be used in an effort to indoctrinate children to accept homosexuality," he said.

Vitagliano says the foundation is employing a bait-and-switch approach, with popular children's figures such as Arthur, Dora the Explorer, JoJo, Clifford the Big Red Dog, Big Bird and Bob the Builder.

The objective is to get children to the foundation's website "and there they're given the full pitch about homosexuality," he said.

Video producer Christopher Cerf called the video an "unprecedented event."

"For the first time characters from all of the important kids shows came together to appear in the same video," he said in a November news release. "The producers and performers from each show embraced the spirit and message of this project."

The We Are Family Foundation was founded by singer-songwriter Nile Rodgers, who wrote the hit song recorded in 1979 by Sister Sledge.

The video was financed by a grant from the Toni Mendez Shapiro estate.

"Cooperation and unity are the most important values we can teach children," Rodgers said. "We believe that this is the essential first step to loving thy neighbor."

The We Are Family Foundation says its partners in the production are the Anti-Defamation League, Crown Theatres, Disney Channel, FedEx, Nickelodeon, HIT Entertainment, Nile Rodgers/Sony Publishing/The Bernard Edwards Estate/Warner Chapel, Nelvana, PBS, Scholastic, Sesame Workshop, Toni Mendez Shapiro Estate, and WGBH-TV in Boston.

A Federal Express spokesman said the company is "proud" to provide shipping for the project.

"Promoting diversity is part of our corporate culture at FedEx," said William G. Margaritis, senior vice president, worldwide corporate communications.

Characters appearing in the video are from award-winning shows including "Arthur," "Barney," "Bear in the Big Blue House," "Between the Lions," "Blue's Clues, Bob the Builder," "The Book of Pooh," "Clifford the Big Red Dog," "Dora the Explorer," "Jimmy Neutron," "JoJo's Circus," "Kim Possible," "Lilo and Stitch: The Series," "Little Mermaid," "Madeline," "The Magic School Bus," "The Muppet Show," "The Proud Family," "Rugrats," "Sesame Street," "SpongeBob SquarePants," and "Zoom."

The video also features cameo appearances by entertainers Bill Cosby, Diana Ross and Whoopi Goldberg.

JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY WAY TO HEAVEN (JOHN 14:6; ACTS 4:12), David J. Stewart 8 Comments [3/18/2017 1:34:51 PM]
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Submitted By: The Reptilian Jew

Quote# 125513

"Christian" Fantasy

Biblical or Oxymoron?

- The dictionary defines fable as:

"fantasy/fiction/falsehood dependent for effect on strangeness of setting (as other worlds or times) and of characters (as supernatural or unnatural beings); the setting is usually in a non-existent or unreal world, the characters are fanciful or unreal, or the conflict focuses on physical or scientific principles not yet discovered or contrary to present experience."

- Fantasy is especially dangerous for children. While most children in the 1970s knew enough truth to place divination in the forbidden realm of the occult, today's children -- who often feel more comfortable with occult games than Biblical truth -- see nothing wrong with pagan practices. Fantasy movies, like Disney's The Lion King, are good matches for the new earth-centered paradigm or world view that is transforming childrens' views of reality. While God told us to continually communicate truth to our children (Deut. 6:5-7), today's culture trains children to see reality through a global, earth-centered filter. This "new" mental framework distorts truth, stretches the meaning of familiar words, and promotes mystical "insights" that are incompatible with Christianity. Packaged with entertainment, this message usually bypasses rational resistance, desensitizes opened minds, and fuels general acceptance of pagan spirituality (Berit Kjos, "The Spirit Behind The Lion King," 1/95, The Christian Conscience, pp. 32-34).

- Most true Christians would recognize fantasy, such as the movie Star Wars, as being extremely wicked (in this case, sorcery -- "The Force" being equivalent to black magic and white witchcraft). Yet, apparently, when we call it "Christian," this somehow sanctifies what we do with our minds (imaginations), or what we allow our minds to entertain. For example, one can look in any issue of the Christian Book Distributors Fiction Catalog and find the most outrageous fantasy literature, yet it is all dubbed "Christian." The following is taken from the CBD Fiction Catalog, 9/94 premier edition:

" ... now there's no more compromising for those who love Christian fiction, because you are holding the key to your next escape-from-it-all right in the palm of your hand ... CBD's brand new Fiction Catalog? It's filled with the latest and the best refreshing, thrilling, inspiring, wholesome fiction for you and your family" (p. 2).

Wholesome? The following is a sample of that which CBD considers "wholesome." [Much of this type of writing comes from medieval mysticism, which God hates (cf. Deut. 18: 10-12).]:

(a) Millennium's Dawn, by Ed Stewart (p. 25):

"June 2001. The future never seemed brighter for Dr. Evan Rider and his new bride, Shelby, as they prepare to embark on the honeymoon of their dreams. But the dream quickly becomes a nightmare as a long-buried secret shared by three college friends erupts, engulfing the couple in a sinister plot of blackmail, terror, and betrayal."

(b) Till We Have Faces, by C. S. Lewis (p. 34):

"The unlovely Orual, eldest daughter of the King of Glome, becomes so consumed by her mingled love and jealousy of her beautiful half-sister that she makes a complaint to the gods -- and receives an answer she did not expect. This novel, possibly Lewis' best work and the one he considered his own favorite, is his compelling rework of the myth of Cupid and Psyche." [Sound like something you could want your children to read -- about "the gods"?]

(c) The Song of Albion, by Stephen Lawhead (p. 33):

"Wolves prowl the streets of Oxford. A Green Man haunts the Highlands. A breach has been opened between our world and the Celtic Otherworld and anything, anyone, may now enter [sounds similar to Poltergeist, one of the most wicked movies ever produced]. But it's Lewis Gillies, an American graduate student at Oxford, who reluctantly stumbles through. In the savagely beautiful Otherworld, Lewis finds himself caught in an epic struggle between light and darkness -- a struggle that will determine the fate of his own world. Memorably penned with vivid and poetic imagery, Lawhead's breathtaking reworking of Celtic myth will keep you reading long into the night" [no doubt, and right into the DARKNESS! -- the Celtic civilization is the culture from which we have received much of our modern day Halloween practices.]

- "Well," someone might say, "I'm not doing anything wicked, I'm just reading about wickedness." But does this align with godliness? There are four things about fantasy which must be considered:

I. It is Anti-Truth.
II. It Slips Into Reality.
III. It Does Not Fit True Godliness.
IV. A Love for God Will Oppose It.


I. Fantasy Is Anti-Truth

Isaiah 32:6 describes error against the Lord. All lies are against God (1 John 2:21; John 8:44). Satan is the father of lies. Since fantasy is not true, then it is a lie! We have been duped into thinking there is some spiritual gray realm out there in which something can be neither true nor a lie. It's just called fantasy! But fantasy is made up of lies, deceit, and unreality, all wrapped up in a pretty (or sometimes, not so pretty) package.

How about the popular 1994 Disney occult/New Age "children's animation" film, The Lion King, which some consider wholesome "fantasy." One observer wrote this about The Lion King:

"The Lion King packs a powerful New Age symbolism and philosophy. Its theme, the 'Circle of Life' is a variation on the cycles of nature: life, death and rebirth, particularly as it relates to the theory of evolution. The film presents this theme from the perspective of the nature religion, more so than Disney films of the past -- 'We are all connected in the great circle of life.' The accoutrements of shamanistic ritualism is graphically portrayed in the dedication of the baby Simba to the spirits of the earth" (Media Spotlight, Vol. 15, No. 2, p. 3).

Yet, we have others who claim the name of Christ, like James Dobson's Focus on the Family, who would like to encourage you to go and see this film that is filled with abominable contents. (See the 8/15/94 Parental Guidance magazine, which is published by Focus on the Family.) FOTF claims that The Lion King has only a few slight imperfections, otherwise it is "a wholesome, brilliantly animated picture relating the importance of family and responsibility."

A "few slight imperfections"? How about the character Rafiki speaking of the eternal state of life and his connectedness with it when Simba, as an adult lion, asks the question, "You knew my father." Rafiki's answer: "Correction! I know your father." Recalling that his father had once told him that the stars are former kings who look down on the earth and guide its inhabitants, Simba looks up at the stars and cries out to his father, "You said you'd always be with me, but you aren't." Shortly thereafter his father appears to him [spiritism; cf. Deut. 18:10ff] in a cloud and reminds him of his responsibility to assume his rightful place in the circle of life. -- "Look inside yourself, Simba," he says. "You are more than what you have become."

Besides the spiritism in the film, ask yourself a question -- "Do animals talk?" Just on this fantasy alone (animals talking) it is a lie.


II. Fantasy Subtly Slips Into Reality.

It becomes very difficult to separate fantasy from reality, especially in the minds of children. There was an interesting article in The Newhall Signal (newspaper) in light of this. Noting one of the teachings of the popular fantasy games, "Death is usually seen as a temporary state with characters returning 'from beyond' to play again" (7/22/87, The Newhall Signal, "Fantasy Games Linked to Real Deaths," p. 16).

Notice a few more books in the CBD Catalog:

(a) A Skeleton in God's Closet, by Paul L. Maier (p. 25):

"Move over, Indiana Jones! In this novel, Harvard archaeologist Dr. John Weber has just discovered a shocking secret -- Jesus' bones. The evidence [an obvious denial of the resurrection] seems incontestable. When word of the discovery leaks out, pandemonium ensues and millions abandon their Christian faith. But which is the hoax -- the archaeological find or the Resurrection itself?" [How can this be edifying?]

(b) The Guardian, by Jane Hamilton (p. 25):

"A new frontier for Christian fiction! Tabris [a guardian angel] has been given a second chance. As a guardian angel, he was found guilty of committing the one unforgivable act against his human charge and against God. Yet God, with mercy and grace, has forgiven Tabris and given him one more assignment -- one more human being to protect. Why? Find out in this celestial parable that will illuminate the indefinable love God has for his creation -- you, me, even angels. " (Emphasis added.) [See the jump from fantasy to reality -- cf. Heb. 2:16 -- any angel who has ever sinned is a demon. Sinning angels are never forgiven, but doomed eternally!]

(c) Darien: The Guardian Angel of Jesus, by Roger Elwood (p. 22):

"The ultimate adventure with an unforgettable guardian angel! Of all the guardian angels in heaven, God chose only one to protect Christ during His time on earth. He chose Darien. (That's the Darien who questioned God's decision to throw Lucifer from heaven and was sent to earth to witness Lucifer's destruction of the world in the novel Angel Walk.) You can imagine that Darien has quite a tale to tell, protecting God's own son -- and he tells it with poignancy and originality. Through this angel's eyes, you'll go on a fascinating and even disturbing journey from the time of Lucifer's rebellion, to creation, to the miracles of Jesus' birth and life. If the stories of Christ's life have become just matter-of-fact Sunday school lessons to you, then here's the breath of fresh air you need!" [Notice the move from fantasy into reality? How are lies, deceit, and fantasy going to freshen one's love for the Word of God?]

This move from fantasy to reality, by definition, affects one's view of reality. Remember when Close Encounters of the Third Kind came out? People believed it! Fantasy gets people to fantasize about reality. It is a slippery slide into lies unknowingly.
III. Fantasy Does Not Fit True Godliness

What is godliness (1 Tim. 6:3; Prov. 3:5-6; 28:14)? Romans 1:18 teaches that God's wrath is against "ungodliness." And as shown above, fantasy is ungodliness. Diving into fantasy, which, by its very nature is against the Truth, is a denial of God, what He says, and the Truth of His Word. How can a lie be used for evangelism, worship, or anything else godly? By its very nature, fantasy removes the person from the Truth (reality) and moves them into a realm away from God. This ungodliness is well depicted in the CBD Fiction Catalog, where it says on page 2:

"It's been said that reading fiction is one of the best ways to 'escape' from the cares of everyday life. Since the beginning of time, great thinkers and writers (even Jesus himself) have been inspired to create allegories, parables and epics, as well as the good, old-fashioned novel itself. What a tragedy to think we have to settle for fiction that merely grabs our attention, but lacks the values and spiritual insight we could carry with us when we return to the 'real world.'" [Again, the move from fantasy to reality.]

Is this what the Lord wants us to do -- "escape" from reality? No! Fantasy is an attack on the very core of one's being as a follower of Christ! And what about the claim that Jesus' parables and the allegories in Scripture, or figurative speech, are parallel to the use of fantasy? No! The Bible's parables, allegories, and figurative speech are not about fantasy at all. They are all about Truth!


IV. A Love For God Will Oppose Fantasy

God would not have His children take refuge in unreality. A love for God is equal to a love for the Truth (John 14:6). Matthew 22:34-40 teaches to love the Lord with all your mind (imagination). What does the Lord say in Ephesians 4:25? -- Speak the Truth to one another! Do we ever stop speaking the truth and speak fantasy to one another, or write fantasy to one another? Is this how God would have us live? Notice Ephesians 4:29. What's the goal? Build each other up in the TRUTH! (not in fantasy). If a Christian is loving the Lord with all his MIND (imagination), he will be dwelling on truth, reality, His Word, and Him, NOT FAIRY TALES AND FANTASY!

Fantasy typically is filled with evil. What should be the Christian's perspective of evil (Rom. 16:19)? If we love the Lord with all our MINDS, then we will not only avoid taking any pleasure in fantasy, but we will hate it. Because fantasy is anti-reality, it is against godliness, it opens the door to deceit, and is an affront to the very core of your being as a Christian. And what is that? -- Taking refuge in God, not escaping reality (Psalm 73:25-28).


- In 2 Timothy 4:3-4 ("For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths"), the Greek word translated myths means tales, stories, or fables (untrue stories). So what about Pilgrim's Progress and other so-called Christian stories like it?

Pilgrim's Progress (by John Bunyan) is claimed by many to be a good illustration of the truth -- the truth of a Christian's pilgrimage in this life. Some would say, "The Bible uses (a) parables, (b) allegories, (c) figurative language, symbolism, etc., and (d) dreams and visions, so what's wrong with Pilgrim's Progress doing the same? A few examples follow:

(a) Parables are not fables.

Matt. 12: 33-35 (using a real idea, expressing another real idea)
Matt. 13:3-9/18-23 (real/real)
Matt. 13:24-30/13:37-43 (real/real)
Matt. 13:31-32 (real/real)
Matt. 13:33 (real/real)
Matt. 13:44 (real/real)
Matt. 13:45-46 (real/real - He does not fly out of the realm of reality)
Matt. 13:47-50 (real/real)

(b) Allegory is symbolic, not mythical -- Gal. 4:22-31 (real/real)

(c) Figurative is not mythical -- John 6:53-63 -- Jesus does not fly out of the realm of reality. In fact, He uses such explicitly (real) language that people are having a hard time understanding Him. Yet, He explains that He is speaking in a figurative way (John 6:63).

(d) Dreams and Visions are not untrue stories -- Daniel 7:1ff; 8:17 refers to truth; 8:26 ("is true"); 9:21 (writing of Truth). These are not untrue stories (fables). Ezekiel 1 &10 -- these are real creatures!

So what about Pilgrim's Progress? There are serious problems in what that book teaches. For example, Christian leaves his armor behind and eventually his sword for the rest of his journey. This does not at all square with Ephesians 6.

Of course, someone would say, "It just a story." Exactly. It is a story that is supposed to illustrate truth, and when it fails to do this, it falls short and becomes an untrue story (fable), which is not doing a good job (at times) in illustrating truth. No doubt, there are many aspects about the story that are interesting and thought-provoking, but that does not excuse the twisting of truth into a lie. Here are some more problems:

(a) Is it a myth? Yes. "But, it is a 'Christian' myth!" Is this supposed to make it okay? No, it makes it worse! That's what Paul was talking about in 2 Tim. 4:4? Pagan myths? No -- "Christian" myths! That's why it is so dangerous.

(b) Another possible danger with Pilgrim's Progress is that the Christian life could be seen through the eyes of the story rather than solely through the Word of God. Romans says to transform our minds (12:1). Only the Word of God can do that, not "Christian" fantasy. A Christian's affection should be upon God's Word and His truth, not the fables of men. This type of Christian fable can pull our affections away from the Word.

(c) Has the Word of God become so dull, dry, drab, or undesirable to us that we would even think we would need such a book as Pilgrim's Progress to spur us on in the faith?
- A few more Scriptures indicate our concern with "Christian" fantasy:

(a) 2 Peter 1:16 -- We did not follow cleverly invented stories when we told you about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

(b) Titus 1:14 -- and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the commands of those who reject the truth.

(c) 1 Timothy 1:4 -- nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work -- which is by faith.

(d) 1 Timothy 4:7 -- Have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives' tales; rather, train yourself to be godly.

- Considering the present distress (2 Tim. 3:1), how can fantasy, no matter how supposedly good it may be, be found profitable? We need to concentrate on reality -- the truth of the Word of God -- and leave the fantasizing to those who are perishing (especially in light of the prevailing ignorance of the Word). And, especially when Paul describes the "against the true church" as those who will "be turned aside to fables," we ought to hold fast to the truth -- the Word of God (1 Thess. 5:21).
An Example from a "Christian" College

A recent FrontLine magazine (Vol. 6, No. 4) with a cover theme, "The Christian and the Arts," carried a lead article titled "The God of All Beauty." The article is very disturbing because it lists so many Scripture references [out of context/misapplied], but the author's rationalizations fail to give due consideration to Pauline Epistle truths for this Church Age and the warnings about this world/age. Two other articles in this FrontLine issue are by Donna Lynn Hess of Bob Jones University (BJU), one on fantasy and the other on selecting reading material for children.

The first article refers favorably to C.S. Lewis, a devotee and author of occult fantasy with unbiblical metaphors; yet Hess claims that this kind of fantasy is useful in helping children "develop valuable literary skills" and in developing an understanding of "similar literary elements used in Scripture." In the second article by Hess, she states: "As Christian parents, we recognize the need for choosing books in which the theme is morally sound. But it is just as important to be sure that this theme is artfully expressed"; she also says that it's okay to expose children to stories with themes "antithetical to Christian beliefs" in order to "help inoculate them against the false ideas, attitudes and behaviors these writers promote."

BJU's ShowForth video division ("The video source you can trust.") also markets three video productions of C.S. Lewis' fiction, and a documentary biography of Lewis himself. ShowForth's catalog layout (p. 7), under "Inspirational," lists C.S. Lewis as one of the "Warriors of the Word" along with C.H. Spurgeon. Considering Lewis' many theological errors, it is dangerously deceptive to place him in such august company. A pastor knowledgeable in the unbiblical teachings of Lewis wrote to BJU documenting Lewis's errors. BJU responded with an involved, articulate, but off-the-mark defense for using "fantasy" as a teaching tool.

In the articles in FrontLine, as well in articles sent out by ShowForth, Hess gives an unusually broad description to the term "fantasy," and does not give adequate consideration to the whole counsel of God. "Fantasy" should not be used, as BJU does, to describe the figures of speech and literary techniques found in God's Word. More serious study ought be made of the nature of God, the condemnation of all forms of spiritism throughout Scripture, the recurring theme of sober/sound mind (especially in the New Testament), and the disassociation in the Epistles with "fables" (myths) in presenting God's message.

In these times we live in, we believe pastors and parents must exercise extreme caution regarding the literary use of fantasy. But caution is apparently not in BJU's vocabulary concerning this matter. BJU Press has published Medallion, a popular fantasy reader for elementary age home-schoolers. There are strange similarities between Medallion and two explicitly pagan books -- one a sixth-grade reader for public schools called The Dark is Rising, and a Wiccan manual by Starhawk called The Spiral Dance. In response to a review of Medallion by Berit Kjos, BJU trivializes the similarities, and states, "It appears that what this critique requires of Medallion rules out all fantasy for the Christian. We hold that no story can mix fantasy with the supernatural facts of Scripture without dangerously trivializing Biblical truth by associating scriptural realities with a dream world." [Couldn't have stated the truth more clearly if we had tried!] Contrary to the scholarly opinion of BJU's Literature and Language departments, "Christian" fantasy parallels the occultic literature for children, using similar images, story-lines, symbols, and characters. Literary fantasy, rather than being neutral, has occultic roots. (This paragraph was excerpted and/or adapted from the 10/96, The Christian Conscience, "Pagan Story for Christian Children," pp. 40-42; see page 41 for a detailed comparison of Medallion and The Dark is Rising.)



Anonymous, rapidnet.com 10 Comments [3/18/2017 1:34:47 PM]
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Months ago, while helping a couple pack to move out of state, my husband was offered a seemingly innocent framed picture of four African American people standing side by side in costume performing a ballet. When my husband showed me the picture, I didn’t particularly care for it but I agreed to take it home because he expressed interest in it. When we arrived home, I proceeded to hang the picture. Later that afternoon, my husband decided to organize the closet in our master bedroom so he could make room for a prayer bench he had made. He placed a large black bag at the end of our bed and used it to dispose of the trash he removed from our closet. That evening, I decided to go to bed early. My husband stayed up and continued to clean out our closet. It was at that time that he saw the ballet picture hanging on the wall and noticed what he believed to be demonic hand signs on the fingers of one of the women in the picture. Unbeknownst to me, he decided to remove the picture from the wall and threw it away in the black trash bag that sat on the floor at the end of our bed. Later that night, I awoke to a very disturbing vision. I felt a dark presence in the room and when I looked up, there at the foot of our bed (where the trash bag that held the ballet picture sat), I saw what appeared to me as four African American people standing side by side smiling at me. The ‘people’ I saw were actually spirits. I woke my husband and told him what I had seen. It was then that he told me that he had thrown the ballet picture into the black trash bag that sat on the floor at the foot of our bed. That morning, my husband removed the picture from the black trash bag and destroyed it. We then anointed and prayed over the entire house. I never saw the spirits again.

R’chelle Cyrus-Hughes, A Prophet Walking With Jesus 10 Comments [3/18/2017 1:34:02 PM]
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Quote# 125508



Rachel Maddow, self-proclaimed “butch” with a girlfriend of over 10-years. Maddow says she went public about being gay at age 17 and is proud of it. As you see in the above photo, Maddow is a devout follower of Satan. America is being taken over by lesbians!

...

Rachel Maddow is of the Devil. Homosexuality is of the Devil. Promoting the sin of homosexuality as a natural, good and acceptable thing is wickedness. It is not a coincidence that Rachel Maddow is making the Satanic Diablo sign above to show her allegiance to the Devil. Homosexuality is of the Devil and Maddow's hand sign proves it. You don't see Bible-quoting believers bragging that they're sodomites. It's the Devil's crowd who praise homosexuality. Christians may go into sin and commit homosexuality, but they won't be proud of it and brag to their family and friends about it. Christians who sin have remorse, being convicted by the Holy Spirit of God that dwells within (Hebrews 12:6-8; Romans 8:9).

Kindly, I have to humbly agree with FOX 19 Ohio news anchor, Tricia Macke, who was temporarily suspended by the network for calling Rachel Maddow “an angry young man” on her private Facebook page. Maddow is a dyke lesbian (that is, a lesbian who assumes the male role). I mean, Maddow talks like a man, behaves like a man, thinks like a man; but then she gets offended when somebody calls her a man. It's hypocrisy! A spade is a spade. I am not supportive of making disparaging comments against anyone; however, if the shoe fits, wear it! Many young women dress, talk and behave sexy; but then gets offended when they're ogled (obviously lusted upon) by men with wandering eyes.

Don't dress like a whore if you don't want to be stared at! When a young woman was gang raped in India, many women were outraged that someone said the woman asked to be attacked by the way she was immodestly dressed. We'll, like it or not, that's the way life works! Fleshly Lusts, Which War Against The Soul (1 Peter 2:11 - it matters how people dress). You can argue that you should be able to play in traffic without being ran over by a car if you're dumb enough to be retarded, but you're going to get ran over if you play in traffic. And if you tempt men by walking around sensually attired like a slut, then one day you're likely going to be attacked and be brutally raped, kidnapped or even murdered.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 29 Comments [3/18/2017 1:30:26 PM]
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Quote# 125507

Taylor Alison Swift (born December 13, 1989) is a liberal seductress/harlot/nominal Episcopalian degenerate who supports same-sex "marriage" and rejects the lordship of Jesus Christ. Matthew 5:28 says that "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." Swift is known for her sensual performances in public venues that would have made former President Bill "Slick Willie" Clinton blush. These performances are rife with scarce attire, which prominently display Swift's legs and rump, as this is an abomination unto the Lord. 2 Timothy 2:22 says that " Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart."

Swift was born in Reading, Pennsylvania, moved to Wyomissing, to a stockbroker and a stay-at-home mom. Swift moved to Nashville as a young teenager to seek entry into the occult. When doing so, she signed any semblance of decency to Big Machine Records, who released her eponymous debut album in 2006, which flopped critically and commercially.

Elvis is King, RealWiki 16 Comments [3/18/2017 1:18:31 PM]
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Quote# 125504

“I’m claiming Milo in the name of Jesus for the Kingdom of God,” Wallnau declared. “Just like [Donald] Trump was an unlikely candidate for us as a deliverer in the presidency … God hid himself in Trump, I think God is hiding himself in Milo and I’m calling him out in Jesus’ name to salvation.”

“Red rover, red rover, call Milo over,” he continued. “The church doesn’t want people like him, but God wants him in the church. Father, we call for Milo in Jesus’ name. We call, Lord, that You will break every cycle of destruction, every spirit that is assigned to him to destroy, distort, to wound and to lock him up. We pray for shafts of light to come from heaven into his heart, divine encounters with the Gospel in unique and unusual ways, we pray for Jesus to be made manifest in his dreams.”

Wallnau said that Yiannopoulos will be part of an “army of millennial young prophets who will expose the enemy” and prophesied that “Milo is going to be doing campus revivals in the future.”

Lance Wallnau, Charisma podcast 14 Comments [3/18/2017 1:18:10 PM]
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Quote# 125500

Open Season



Are the media and democrats on a witch hunt, or are the witches on a Trump hunt? Political Cartoon by A.F. Branco ©2017.

More A.F. Branco Cartoons at Net Right Daily.

A.F. Branco, Comically Incorrect 18 Comments [3/18/2017 2:52:56 AM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 125498

Duterte ain't like trump. Duterte love his country. Duterte loves his people. Duterte knows how to be a leader. And duterte is a great leader. Heads up to our president! #Duterte

Hillary Mostacho Tiglao, Facebook 7 Comments [3/18/2017 2:52:19 AM]
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Quote# 125495

[On Trump]

It's showing how many whiny little pansies we have in this country.....pull up your big girl panties and get over it. You think Clinton, who damn well had a hand in the American deaths in Benghazi is a better choice? If you're good with the death of our soldiers, that's on you. I'd vote for ANYONE over her. Democrats, give me a name other than Clinton or Obama, I'll listen. But so far that's all you seem to have in the arsenal. So deal with Trump for 4 years and come up with a better plan.

Matthew Hurd, Facebook 12 Comments [3/18/2017 2:51:27 AM]
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Quote# 125494

Police in the Netherlands have stepped up security at a school after staff and students received threats following the suicide of a 15-year-old boy, allegedly due to bullying.

Tharukshan Selvam, from Sri Lanka, left a note saying he was being harassed by other students at Grotius College, in the city of Heerlen, and online.

His family says the school was alerted but did not act.

The death will be investigated by school and city officials.

He took his own life on Sunday, on the last day of the school holiday. His family said he was the victim of racial abuse by other students and was being harassed by anonymous social media accounts, believed to be run by schoolmates.

They also say pupils forced him to spend money on them, only to not pay him back as promised.

The posts included unwanted photos of him and messages such as "Tharukshan die, you're not fit to live. We don't want you. Go jump in front of a train, commit suicide", his sister Saranya said on Facebook.

The family learned of the bullying after his first suicide attempt, in December, according to his sister. He then told police how he was being harassed and that he had tried to talk to his teacher about it, she added.

His family tried to alert the school but they failed to act, the sister said. The student refused to open up at home, she added, because he "didn't want to hurt his family".

"Tharukshan was not the first pupil to go through this at Grotius College. There were many other students who were bullied like this, yet the school made very little effort to prevent such issues," she said.

Grotius College students, BBC News 5 Comments [3/18/2017 2:51:17 AM]
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Quote# 125493

[Mod note: this is referring to an incident where someone triggered an epileptic seizure in someone, on purpose, using a strobe gif. As such, it is not fundie, but is being left up for posterity's sake]

The mean-spirited tweet is analogous to a package in which a bomb is concealed.

G2geek, Daily Kos 7 Comments [3/18/2017 2:51:10 AM]
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Quote# 125492

A couple who may have urinated on copies of the Quran at a New Mexico library appear to be fans of Ann Coulter’s cannon of work.

According to library staff, the couple put on a right-wing info campaign for other patrons, taking copies of conservative books and putting them “around the library, as if they were placed on display for all to see,” according to a police report obtained by the Santa Fe New Mexican. They included Mark Levin’s “Plunder and Deceit: Big Government’s Exploitation of Young People and the Future” and Ann Coulter’s “Demonic: How the Liberal Mob Is Endangering America,” according a police report.

The man also came in bearing a “large knife, sheathed, on his belt,” and referenced his right to bear arms when staff expressed discomfort. Later, library staff found a “yellowish liquid substance” on copies of the Quran.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations called for the vandalism to be investigated as a hate crime.

“Based on the behavior of the suspects in this case, we urge law enforcement authorities to investigate a possible bias motive for the destruction of library property,” said CAIR National Communications Director Ibrahim Hooper.

A Santa Fe police spokesperson tells Raw Story police have a person of interest in the case, but can’t formally designate them a suspect yet, in part because they lack video surveillance.

New Mexico couple, Raw Story 8 Comments [3/18/2017 2:51:03 AM]
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Quote# 125491

Video games are the problem. All modern American mass shooting stories report these young men having played violent video games, and trends of violence among males who play video games shows how they affect the well being of themselves. One simply has to keep an open mind and realize that video games are the major cause of the violent attitudes of these young men. After playing a round of Grand Theft Auto they gain a thirst for violence and start cussing like sailors. I have seen this in my own neighborhood. --Elvis is King (talk) 00:58, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

They result in the tainting of these kids' minds and being young and impressionable, they tend to repeat these words. --Elvis is King (talk) 02:01, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Sure, but how are these kids' minds worse off by knowing certain words for concepts that they already knew about - poo and that icky stuff mom and dad do sometimes? Do the words have some magical properties that brings whoever knows and uses them closer to moral decadence? 141.134.75.236 (talk) 02:09, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

If they know these things, they will repeat them. It is all about worldview. If they hear these things, it leaves a certain impression that they are okay and accepted, which leads to inevitable moral decay. --Elvis is King (talk) 02:37, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Don't plenty (adult) devout Christians also use those words, though? Are they infected with moral decadence then, or might this supposed connection between words like "fuck" and "shit" and a hedonistic non-Christian worldview just be a superstition? 141.134.75.236 (talk) 02:45, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

It is merely the truth. The Scriptures say that one is to use clean and undefiled speech, so these persons are obviously sinning by using such foul and reprehensible language. It is simple, really. One just has to consider that there is none of this sort of vulgarity in the Scriptures, so there is no need for God-fearing persons to defile their vocabulary. Aside from the Biblical authority, it simply sounds crass and unprofessional and children need not use or hear it. --Elvis is King (talk) 02:48, 13 November 2014 (UTC)



Elvis is King, RationalWiki 26 Comments [3/18/2017 2:50:56 AM]
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Quote# 125490

Bruce Frederick Joseph Springsteen (born September 23, 1949, in Long Branch, New Jersey,[1]) whose nickname is The Boss, is an American rock musician/liberal activist.[2][3] A favorite of liberals, he is one of the top selling recording artists of all time.[4]

He played the Super Bowl halftime show in 2009. [5]

Springsteen is known for his liberal anthems, such as "Born in the USA" and "We Take Care of Our Own".

Springsteen supports the reelection of Barack Hussein Obama in 2012, though he will not be on the campaign trail for Obama this time, perhaps because of the lack of enthusiasm for Obama this time. He supported John Kerry in 2004 and Obama in 2008, campaigning for them though saying he wants to promote his new album and that it was bit of an accident that he campaigned during the Bush years. [6]
Political Activities

To the thrill of the lamestream media, Springsteen was critical of the use of one his song "Born In The USA" by Ronald Reagan's campaign in 1984. The song is actually a protest song against the Vietnam War; the Reagan campaign mistakenly assumed it was not a protest song. Springsteen campaigned for John Kerry in 2004 and Barack Obama in 2008, and criticized then-President George W. Bush[7] He is now a high profile advocate for same-sex marriage in New Jersey. [8]

His 2009 album Working on a Dream featured a title track that was about the coming of the Obama Administration and how the American Dream was being restored, consistent with Springsteen's support of Obama in 2008 and critcism of Bush in 2004.

Springsteen released Wrecking Ball in 2012, which is an overly political album. The first song on the album, "We Take Care of Our Own", is critical of Americans, claiming that they are selfish and not willing to, as Springsteen puts it, "take care of our own". It is similar to "Born in the USA" in the regard that it has been mistaken for a patriotic anthem, that due to the upbeat nature and the chorus, some believe it to be a patriotic song saying that Americans indeed take care of their own. The album, Springsteen claims, is in support of the blue collar worker. This album came out after Springsteen became overly political supporting liberal causes. The song "We Take Care of Our Own" is on the list for music for the Obama campaign.

Elvis is King, RealWiki 9 Comments [3/18/2017 2:50:52 AM]
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Quote# 125489

This Land is Your Land is a communist folk song written by Woody Guthrie in 1940, and initially recorded in 1944. It has been recorded by performer/liberal activist Bruce Springsteen, liberal folk singer Bob Dylan, and British socialist performer Billy Bragg. Despite the communist sympathies of Guthrie and this song, it is generally regarded as one of America's favorite folk songs and was at one point being considered as a suggestion to be the national anthem.[1] Communist Pete Seeger has stated that Guthrie was also a communist; however, Guthrie's membership in the Communist Party is debated (though he has always been associated with United States communist groups), and his daughter called him a "commonist, not a communist."[2]

One of the last verses of the song implies that there should be no such thing as private property.

As I was walking, I saw a sign there;
And on the sign said "No Trespassing";
But on the other side, it didn't say nothing;
This land is made for you and me.

An alternative is:

There was a big high wall there that tried to stop me;
Sign was painted, it said "Private Property";
But on the back side it didn't say nothing;
This land was made for you and me.

Another verse implying a need for welfare is:

In the squares of the city, In the shadow of a steeple;
By the relief office, I'd seen my people.
As they stood there hungry, I stood there asking,
Is this land made for you and me?

Elvis is King, RealWiki 6 Comments [3/18/2017 2:50:43 AM]
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