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Quote# 136550

My parents rented one of their condos to a gay couple. When the couple broke up and moved out, my parents had to go in with lots of spackle to fill in all the indentations in the walls, indentations that looked suspiciously like head-holes and fist-holes. It's been documented that domestic abuse among these people is double that among normal couples, so their lovey-dovey act in public is just a put-on.

Rusty Writer:
Opus, your Mother shared the same story, but in her generation it was black people who did all the naughty things. Bigots never change tactics, they just pick new targets for their cruel idiocy.

0pus, Christian News Network 8 Comments [2/18/2018 6:32:10 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 136551

This nation has gone down the toilet morally. I was in a hotel in Hawaii and the woman at the front desk waiting in line in front of me had on a white bikini. You could literally see her buttock's crevice through her bikini, butt naked in public. That's the new morality in America and it's bringing God's judgment upon our nation. People laugh and think it's a trifle matter, failing to realize that the murder of 53,000,000 human beings is directly related to our nation's attitude toward modesty. As television drags America down into the abyss of darkness, so also does our morals follow.

Praise God for you ladies who wear dresses and try not to make it any harder than it already is for the Christian men in America (who are trying to live right for the Lord).

The Unchanging Word Of God

The greatest victory Satan ever had over America was when our nation separated Jesus Christ from morality in the 1930's. When wealthy Jews formed Hollywood and opened its doors in the 1930's, they had every intention of subverting America.

This is evidenced in a publication so sensitive today that even mentioning it will result in this webpage likely being censored, so I will only link to it (the publication is over a century old and not very exciting reading; but if you do read and understand it, it is EXACTLY what is happening in the world today). People can say what they want, the publication has been prophetic (that's because it is indeed a blueprint for world conquest).

[Note: The publication he links to is The Protocols of the Elders of Zion]

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 8 Comments [2/18/2018 6:33:01 AM]
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Quote# 136555

The babies who died in the great flood of Noah's time were not human.


They were a genetic mix between humans and demons, like half human and half demon. And demons CANNOT be redeemed, and their offspring cannot be redeemed either. If God had not destroyed all of them, it would mean that no one born in the future would ever be redeemed. The entire world population would not be redeemable. Some of these half-breed offspring were giants. They were known as the "mighty men of old." (Genesis 6)

Noah and his family still had a pure blood line. So they were allowed to live.

A Yahoo! User, Y! answers 5 Comments [2/18/2018 6:33:44 AM]
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Quote# 136672

'Exposing the corruption': David Stephan lashes out on social media after conviction upheld in son's death

A father whose conviction was upheld for failing to provide the necessaries of life to his son has posted a Facebook response critical of the judges and prosecutors on the case, along with the entire justice system.

“I have come to . . . realize that within the current system there is no room for justice and truth, there is no humanity and there definitely is no love,” David Stephan wrote from his home in Nelson, B.C., hours after the Alberta Court of Appeal decision on Wednesday.

Stephan and his wife, Collet, were found guilty last year in their son Ezekiel’s 2012 death from bacterial meningitis.

Their trial in Lethbridge heard they treated the 19-month-old boy with garlic, onion and horseradish rather than taking him to a doctor.

Two of the three Appeal Court judges supported the conviction, with Justice Brian O’Ferrall offering a dissenting opinion. He said the Stephans should have been granted a new trial.

“I have been strongly cautioned to keep quiet as these types of posts could influence the outcome of court decisions, bail hearings etc. But this world needs more people that are willing to take a stand for truth, regardless of the cost,”

David Stephan, Calgary Herald 2 Comments [2/18/2018 3:20:38 PM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 136615

Did I read it - NO! Am I ignorant as you obviously imply - NO! Have I ever researched the subject, read books, inquired and sought answers - YES!
Conclusion - when it comes to 'hard science' - that is: computers, cars, medicine, etc., you betcha - science is great. When it comes to the 'coulda , woulda, mighta, shoulda, with a definite maybe thrown in of evolutionary science, or whatever you want to call it,'- it's ALL nothing more than wild guesses, speculation, lies and fraud - there are NO provable 'missing links, no evolution in the sense that small changes over time produce different species, etc. It's ALL tax-supported religion. In truth, I prefer my own beliefs in a God that created it all in 6 days!
You and your friends can believe whatever you like. It's a free country (at least for a while longer) We're done here!

getstryker, Christian News Network 6 Comments [2/18/2018 11:19:09 AM]
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Quote# 136617

Evidence is only what we are able and willing to see. All of us don't believe in spiritual realities without any evidence. (That is just atheist arrogance to assume so).

Its just that you are unable to see it. That is all....and we are unable to show it to you. I keep citing the example of a stubborn blind man denying the existence of Light. Nothing can be done about it!

Sriram, Religion and Ethics 4 Comments [2/18/2018 11:19:18 AM]
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Submitted By: NearlySane

Quote# 136744

Secular Humanists and most Liberal atheists don't want us to believe in ghosts God or satan demons etc

they want that so we have no DEFENCE against demons and satan - evil

anonymous, Y! answers 5 Comments [2/18/2018 12:20:43 PM]
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Quote# 123968

I love to play the steel guitar. I already know that God has some beautiful steel guitars waiting for me. I told the Lord to surprise me. I never tell the Lord what I want, because I trust that He knows my heart infinitely better than I ever could, and can do a much better job of picking things for me than I can for myself. He said all things will be given to us in Romans 8:32. Jesus was a carpenter and can build anything handmade. I think it is amazing and more than a coincidence that the Creator of this universe worked on earth for 30 years as a carpenter! Amen! The Lord said to Peter in John 14:1-3 that He was going to prepare a place for him (and every believer), that we may be together forever in “My Father's house.”

I know that God is going to enable me to play music the way I have always wanted to (few artists like their work). God is going to give me an orchestra to play along with, and the best sound equipment. We likely won't even need sound equipment, but I hope so. I love the old tube technology. I love old things and aged wood. I don't play my guitar anywhere near as much as I'd like to down here on earth—in part because of my adverse health with my neck, and also because I sacrifice most of my time to maintain and work on my websites (and I am honored and grateful for the unique opportunity and privileged to do so).

I have given up my life for the Lord's work. Matthew 10:42 and 16:25, “And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward. ... For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.” God is going to reward me for every keystroke on my computer's keyboard, every night I've worked through until the next day, and for working hard even though it caused more pain in my neck sitting for long hours typing. Jesus PROMISED to reward all of our labors for Him.

David J. Stewart, God Loves People 17 Comments [1/27/2017 6:39:45 PM]
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Quote# 136644

That graph that he included at the beginning of the video which showed that virtually all black conservatives and most Hispanic conservatives voted for Obama was pretty damning for anyone pushing civic nationalism on the right. As AH stated, that graph clearly shows that blacks and Hispanics care more about race than ideology. It's really only White people, including White conservatives, who try to be colorblind when they vote.
The implications of that graph are pretty obvious: non-Whites are trying to overthrow White dominance of this country. While that might benefit them in the short term, it's obviously not going to benefit us, or even the country since we Whites have clearly proven that we're extremely good at developing and maintaining highly successful societies, whereas brown and black people have proven themselves to be incapable of creating the types of highly successful societies that people want to move to and live in.
Maybe this non-White takeover of America would be able to maintain or even surpass the high level of development created by White Americans if only East Asians or the intellectual elite of the low-IQ races were flooding into America, but the massive influx of dregs from the 3rd world are eventually going to drag us down into the type of societal dysfunction that you see in countries like Brazil. And since most of the studies that looked at the effects of ethnic diversity showed that ethnic diversity has a net negative effect on society, then maybe even high-IQ mass non-White immigration won't be workable because it transforms a high-trust homogeneous society into a low-trust heterogeneous society which is afflicted with extremely destructive tribal identity politics.

One has to wonder what exactly our leaders and even these non-White immigrants themselves are thinking in relation to the long-term effects of mass non-White immigration. The desire to fuck over the White race makes sense for both the anti-White left and the average person of color that's still butthurt over colonialism and the era of militant White Supremacy. But for the White leftists and non-Whites that are motivated by a desire to increase the living standards of these non-White immigrants, don't they realize that turning America into Brazil will suck for everyone? Wouldn't you rather live in a highly advanced White society as a minority that treats you humanely rather than in a borderline 3rd world country like Brazil?

I mean, I can imagine myself as a black, Hispanic, or Arab person moving to Sweden and enjoying living in a highly successful White society as a minority. But I wouldn't support flooding Sweden with millions of low-IQ brown and black people because then you'd completely ruin that society and fuck over your own standards of living as well. Do non-Whites and White leftists really hate us that much? Are they really willing to harm their own standards of living in order to tear down the White race?

By the way, that entire video was amazing. I'm already angry in anticipation of such an interesting voice eventually getting censored one day.

CertifiedRabbi, Reddit 2 Comments [2/18/2018 1:05:10 PM]
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Quote# 136670

Asian guys admits: "My beautiful Chinese girlfriend gets approached by some American men and they say. 'But your boyfriend has small penis. Trust me. I'm better than him.'". WMAF is built on hatred & disrespect. ALL WMAF contributes to this. Which is why no WMAF should be given the benefit of doubt

This is why we need more Jeremy Longs out there. The vast majority of white men = ~ 5 inches. This is proven shit. https://calcsd.bitballoon.com/

The only reason WM think like this and say that shit is because porn forms their opinions. The reality is, most WM are small as shit compared to porn stars. I wonder which group has a more accurate frame of reference regarding this, WM whose source of info = porn, or gay men and promiscuous women who consistently say that most men are average, with no racial distinctions by size.

Then again, there's really no difference between WM benefiting from the exclusive use of hung guys in porn, and their benefiting from the top 1% men in Hollywood representing them. It's just sad that the general public is too impressionable to see through this subtle form of propaganda.

The average for white men is 5 inches, not the median. There's a difference ??

So while a significant amount of white men have average length penises, it's probably not the "vast majority" (even though it probably is a normal distribution).

My point is that for every white guy with a big penis, there's one with a micropenis. And while I obviously can't prove it, I'm more inclined to believe it's white guys with tiny penises who shit on Asian men the most so that, in their heads, they're at least better than somebody. So think about that the next time you see a white guy talking about Asian penises.

If it's a white guy, standard answer should be "if I wanted a big penis, I would go with a black guy so no thank you". Let's see how these racist WMs deal with that. Use their own stereotypes against them.

Okay can we get some constructive discussions out of this post? What would be the correct methods for the Asian guy to respond in these situations?

What I do is casually but publicly challenge them to whip their dick out so that we can compare penis right there, but require it has to be in front of everyone to verify the account. This can go one of two ways, either they accept your challenge or don't.

If they accept the challenge, then maybe you win, maybe you lose. If you're packing anything even close to average, then you will just be living up to what people expected anyways, and at least you had the confidence and balls to challenge them. Remember that confidence and the willingness to defend oneself are much more attractive than a big dick. But fortunately, I've never actually had to do this because...

They 100% always decline the challenge. Think about it. It's a lose/lose proposition for them. To them it's akin to playing basketball against a girl. When you beat a girl in basketball, it's nothing special because you were SUPPOSED to win. But if you LOSE to a girl, that is straight mortifying (at least to a person who overcompensates by talking about other peoples dicks). And if the Asian guy is so willing to compare his junk against yours in public, maybe he's packing something to be afraid of. Every single time the offender called me some sort of crazy, but the people who witnessed my challenge knew I wouldn't put up with that kind of shit and would always be left wondering what size my dick really is.

disclaimer: I always made sure I would only challenge this way against those I knew who would decline. Some dudes are crazy or inebriated enough to accept the challenge, so don't be reckless if this kind of thing would embarrass you. Read body language and social cues. The key part is the challenge anyways, and there are plenty of other ways to challenge people that don't involve you actually whipping your cock out. Recognize this for what it is, a war of words. No penii ever actually cross tips in the war of words (pun intended), but Asians are often losing by not even showing up to the fight.

I believe behind all this bullshit of Asian men have small penis, white men is most afraid of Asian men(intelligent, wealth, mostly grown up in steady family, etc) in society, small penis shit is only thing they can say to put Asian men down.

Even IF whites have bigger dicks (which they dont according to statistics), if that is the only thing they can offer, that is pretty sad. Also what woman would actually leave her boyfriend for another guy just because of dick size? Lol

white men are obsessed with asian penis. I wonder why that is?

This is why when you speak to AF, you have to talk shit about WM to remind them of thier faults (in certain situations only) Talking shit is a two way street, do it back

Asian need to rock the boat more, I got the small penis stereotype in college on a few occasions from people I don’t even know. So now, every time I talk about white, i mentioned that they are psychopaths. If the white dude is in Asian, I would add loser or pedophile in there.

In Jt trans article he literally had a woman in his arms, and a white guy went up to him and said "what are you doing with this Asian guy with a small penis" he got cockblocked right there and the woman left him. This is the type of shit you have to deal with so you better learn to talk shit back. No woman will stand by a silent push over. WM are actively preventing women from being with you so do it back. It's a no brainer

various commenters, r/aznidentity 1 Comments [2/18/2018 3:16:25 PM]
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Quote# 136547

Nidalap: Saying "gay marriage" is like saying tofu turkey. Just a pale fake simulacrum of the real thing...

TheKingOfRhye: In what way other than the gender of the people involved is it different?

Amos Moses: in what way is this grape Popsicle different from that grape Popsicle .... FYI .... there is no need for a grape Popsicle to need another grape Popsicle .... it is a null set ..... 0+0=0 ............. "In what way other than the gender" ...... two of the same does not make a marriage ....

Nidalap, Amos Moses, Christian News Network 31 Comments [2/17/2018 7:21:39 AM]
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Submitted By: KingOfRhye

Quote# 136739

Werewolf Mistaken For Bigfoot: Sasquatch Obviously More Valuable Than A Lycan

Rural farmlands are home to a plethora of horror tales “designed” to raise the hair on the back of your neck, and to send shivers down your spine. Some of these tales are quite tall, indeed; told to young folk by their elders as a way to ward them away from certain behavior. Hence the word “designed” comes into play. These stories are cleverly crafted to provoke a desired response.

However, some of the strange tales are based on actual experiences; passed down from generation to generation as a way of remembering what could be lurking behind the trees in yonder field. Ever so often a photograph surfaces that raises the question, could monsters be real? Ultimately it’s left for you to decide as such evidence is open to individual interpretation and predisposed biases. Where one person may see evidence of Bigfoot, another may see something entirely different. Case in point, this photograph posted on YouTube clearly shows the carcass of a dead animal, but the type of creature is a mystery.

The story behind the photograph is that a farmer (name and location intentionally left out) was in his fields one afternoon, filling deer feeding bins, when he discovered the corpse of an unknown creature. Quickly, he snapped a single photograph of the beast; claiming that it was, to him, clearly the deceased body of a Bigfoot.

Upon reviewing the photograph, many people have flatly stated the photograph is a fake; no Bigfoot to be seen here – move along. Many questioned the practicality of taking only one photograph and leaving all physical evidence behind. One man pointed out that he’d have loaded the thing up and hauled it away, as well as taken several hundreds of pictures from all sides to prove what he had was real.

Putting aside questions about whether or not the subject of the photograph is real, the corpse clearly doesn’t match the likeness of what we have come to know as Bigfoot. In fact, it looks more like a partially decomposed corpse of a werewolf. When you look at the photo, notice the elongated snout and long canine teeth, as well as the shape of the body. It’s the classic example of a werewolf.

Unfortunately, the anonymity of the farmer’s identity and lack of specific details strengthens the argument against this being hard evidence of cryptid life. Discovering something as rare as a Bigfoot (or a werewolf) body lying in their field, would lead most to stake their claim and become famous. Intentionally leaving out your name seems counter-intuitive to most people.

Is this just a situation where a rural farmer doesn’t want to be famous? Maybe he enjoys the life he has and wishes it to remain free from endless media coverage. There’s nothing at all wrong with that, either. As they say, it takes all kinds…The question as to what is in the photograph remains. Is it as the mystery farmer claims: a Bigfoot? Or is it a werewolf mistaken for Bigfoot?

Submitter's note: It's really obviously a partially decomposed bear. Here is the original source of the photo.

Monstrum Athenaeum, Monstrum Athenaeum 6 Comments [2/18/2018 7:44:19 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 136598

(Just one section of the site's "Full Calibration List". The rest makes even less sense)

Statement | One`s exact time of death is set at birth | True
Statement | One`s consciousness level is set at birth | True
Statement | Humans can live on prana energy | True
Statement | Chi energy exists | True
Statement | Wait three days before burial or cremation | True
Statement | Reincarnation is real | True
Statement | Stigmata are real phenomenons | True
Statement | Free will is an illusion | True
Statement | It is possible to come up from lower regions of hell - with the exception of blasphemy | True
Statement | God`s will for you is happiness. To be happy is pleasing to God | True
Statement | There are angels in bodies | True
Statement | Praying is beneficial. It benefits yourself, loved ones, the world, all of humanity | True
Statement | By our mere existence we are - all is - Divine | True
Statement | It is safe to pray for the sources of hate | True
Statement | It is NOT already determined which lifetime someone will become enlightened in | True
Statement | All things are God True
Statement | The Light of God is Consciousness | True
Statement | Consciousness is the Mind of God | True
Statement | At any age, the brain is constantly producing new neurons | True
Statement | The number of causes for any event is infinite | True
Statement All living things are aware as you walk by | True
Statement | The purpose of this human life is to undo negative karma and gain positive karma. That is the sole purpose of human life. | True
Statement | Whatever problem you have in life, if you apply the 12 Steps to it, that will solve it True
Statement | Discretion of Speech is a higher good than freedom of speech | True
Statement | It is safe to die | True
Statement | It is my understanding that the disciples (who calibrated in the 900s at the time) saw Jesus` etheric body | True
Statement | As we sacrifice our personal lives for the sake of the world, we sanctify the life of the world, This is personified in the life of Jesus Christ. | True
Statement | There`s multiple heaven, and the heaven that you go to is aligned with your calibrated level of your consciousness | True
Statement | Now, very rarely, but on occasion, the LOC can go over 1000. That`s the first time in history. | True
Statement | In order to be able to handle higher energy mankind up to now could only handle an energy of up to 1000 | True
Statement | So the alignment with the pathway we talk about then is the direct pathway to enlightenment and according to this understanding?the following of the direct pathway speeds up the likelyhood of enlightenment more than one thousand times | True
Statement | To Thee O Lord do I devote my life.'?- there is nothing beyond that that you as a human can say.That is the ultimate that can be said. | True
Statement | The Thee O Lord'?- you don't have to worry if God is listening.?'To Thee O Lord'?- God hears ?'To You O God'?- God is not obligated.? He is not involved, you see. You are talking to yourself.?'To Thee O Lord'?indicated devotion. [...]?'Those who are devoted to Me are mine.' | Truth

David R. Hawkins, M.D., Ph.D., CCRT Blog 7 Comments [2/18/2018 10:52:18 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 136614

The excuse for 3rd world mass immigration being tied to our displacement of Aboriginals is easily exploded. My experience has been that our Aboriginals don't like "people of colour". I have engaged many Aboriginals in conversations about our immigration policy and why I think it hurts Aboriginals. I have yet to hear one disagree with me. To the SJWs and moronic politicians who spout this nonsense, I ask when they had consulted our Aboriginals on immigration, and what the response was. None had, and none will, because they know, to borrow a phrase from our neighbours to the south, that dog won't hunt.

That makes perfect sense. Before 1960, the vast majority of non-whites in Canada were Amerindians. Today, Amerindians are a minority among the non-whites, who at some time in the future will the majority. If the sole fact of being non-white means that one can claim victim status, then Amerindians now have to share this status with many others. Moreover, there is no reason whatever to assume that the many Asians and Africans who come to Canada will feel any historical guilt about the (very real) misdeeds perpetrated against the ancestors of today's Amerindians. The mass immigration of non-whites to Canada has significantly weakened the political position of the Amerindians here.

Jakob Scheffer, Eurocanadian 1 Comments [2/18/2018 11:18:57 AM]
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Quote# 136560

Hi Sam,

I ran across Josiah’s blog while looking up something about evolution. I am in the process of writing a letter that I could perhaps share with the two of you. You might find it worthwhile.

I notice on your site you say:

“On the other hand, a great many Creationist organization list in their
mission statements that part of their goal is to deconstruct Evolution (with the goal, one would imagine, of leaving Creationism the only viable alternative). This is not Biblical.”

I am not sure you realize what the word “deconstruct” means. I quote from an online dictionary:

“1. To break down into components; dismantle.2. To write about or analyze.”

Perhaps you think the people that used the word meant something different by it. Whatever the case, there is nothing unBiblical about analyzing something if that entails refuting what is not true. In fact, the Bible itself stands as a Refutation of all things not true.

There is nothing in our physical world that is more untrue than the teaching of evolution as the explanation for God’s creation. And the source of this lie is found in the spiritual realm, where man, the rebel, says, “Who are You to tell me what to do?!”

Peace in Christ, Lord and Creator, and Savior of those that believe on Him,


Paul Cohen, The Path of Truth  3 Comments [2/18/2018 6:46:18 AM]
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Quote# 136717

Lady Checkmate's headline: "Christophobia: Mike Pence, Tim Tebow, Tony Dungy have all been 'Christian Shamed.' This ugly form of bigotry must stop"

(Fox News cut-and-paste, link here: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/02/16/mike-pence-tim-tebow-tony-dungy-have-all-been-christian-shamed-this-ugly-form-bigotry-must-stop.html

Don't forget to RECOMMEND. Lets get the Truth out so that Light may shine bright in this dark place and Jesus Christ may be glorified. Even if the discussion is closed, please still RECOMMEND.

Robin Egg:
Don't forget to RECOMMEND. Lets get the Truth out so that Light may shine bright in this dark place and Jesus Christ may be glorified. Even if the discussion is closed, please still RECOMMEND.

Lady Checkmate:

Lady Checkmate, Disqus - Faith & Religion 4 Comments [2/18/2018 7:38:31 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 136561

On adolescent marriage: "that could be a good thing instead of favoring contraceptive pills at the age of 12. If the marriage happens with the consent of the parents it's a good thing. Of course we won't favor marriages of little girls with old men", he defends.

Original French:
Et a propos du mariage pour les adolescents: "cela pourait être une bonne chose au lieux de favoriser les pilules contracèptives dés 12 ans. Si le mariage se fait avec le consentement des parents, c'est positif. Il ne s'agit évidemment pas de favoriser le mariage de petites filles avec des vieux hommes", defend-il.

Redouane Ahrouc, La Libre Belgique 5 Comments [2/18/2018 6:46:35 AM]
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Submitted By: hydrolythe

Quote# 136565

Ghosts are actually demons who are trying to deceive. They are perfectly capable of taking on the form of a deceased individual, and they often do this to pull unsuspecting people away from the truth of Jesus Christ. Do not be deceived by their tactics!

Doug, Y! answers 4 Comments [2/18/2018 6:47:38 AM]
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Quote# 136577

Sin is normal. All are born in sin. Sin is not Godly. Avoiding sin is an ongoing and difficult task. The pagans regularly practiced homosexual “sex”. You only need read Roman, Greek, or other ancient texts to know that. It was considered a preference instead of an innate characteristic.

Those who do not want any self control or norms for sex want it both ways, both as an innate, born with preference and as a choice. They simply want to invalidate any legal or moral restraint on sex with anything or anyone. Avoiding homosexual “sex” and upholding self-restraint in sex has been a central point in the building of Western Civilization.

It moved us past the Romans and Greeks. Greek Philosophy, Christian Morality, Jewish business practices combined to create the rule of law and Western Civilization.

marktwain, Free Republic 4 Comments [2/18/2018 6:49:21 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 136583

The Eagle Returns

Before I could puzzle over what he meant, I saw the white Eagle fly across the path. My heart leaped when I saw Him. I began to run after Him, calling, “Lord! Lord, please come back, please.”

He must have heard me, for He made a wide bank in flight and landed before me. I was so overjoyed to see Him whom my heart adores that I hugged Him around the neck, clinging to Him. “I want to fly with You. I want to eat from the hand of God.”

He became the Lord. I buried my face in His shoulder. He held me, returning my embrace, more like a lover than a friend. This amazed me. Did He long for me as I longed for Him?

“Forgive me, Lord,” I said. “I want to be with You. I long for You. I want to be and do whatever You want, as long as we are together.”

“Anna,” He said, pulling me away from Him so that He could look into my eyes, “do you trust Me?”

“Why, yes, Lord,” I answered, surprised.

“Then come.”

He became the white Eagle. I quickly climbed onto His back, and He began to fly. I put my arms around His neck and buried my face in the fragrant feathers of His head.

He flew. . . and flew. . . and flew. . . until He flew into deep darkness.

Chapter 8
The Corrupted Strata

I could not discern if it was densely dark or if it only seemed that dark because we had come from a place so permeated with light.

The sheepfold

The white eagle flew down into a walled-in area that had a shelter within it. The wall was of uncut stones and fairly high. On top of the wall were branches brandishing large, painful- looking thorns.

It was a sheepfold.’ It was Christ’s outpost in that corrupted strata occupied by Satan. The enclosed area had but one gate. It appeared that the thorns were not so much to make entry by the demons impossible, but to serve as a warning. NO TRESPASSING—a visible command from Christ Himself. The sheepfold was His territory.

It occurred to me that perhaps one of the reasons the crown of thorns was crammed into Jesus’ skull before His crucifixion was as a private slap in the face from Satan, for the sheepfold was crowned with thorns. Christ had dared to establish a place of safety within the enemy’s hostile kingdom. That crown of thorns was an affront before His crucifixion; now, after His resurrection, it was an ever-present reminder of Christ’s victory and His eternal lordship.

The white Eagle changed into the Lord.

There was scant light except for that which came from Him. “Stay with Me’ He said. He had a tall staff in His hand.

By the gate were two pairs of porpoise shoes that were dyed red. He put on a pair, and so did I.

“Touch nothing here, Anna; all is defiled.” We walked out the gate into the darkness. Jesus Himself was the light on our way.

Weeping and sardonic laughter came from the darkness. They were human voices, but they sounded as if they were coming from animals. Alarm gripped me. I stayed close to the Lord, walking in His footsteps. Although it was dark, I began to see dimly.

The Outskirts of the Strata

The surface on which we were walking was dank and sticky. There was a slight suction created on the bottoms of my shoes as we walked, as though I might become glued to the spot if I did not keep moving. Huge, slimy creatures would half roar, then lift themselves up and move threateningly toward us. They looked like giant slugs, but acted more like bull seals protecting their territory. They tried to frighten us, but they ended up bowing before Jesus, a begrudging acknowledgment of His lordship.

The River of Filth

We came to a levee that sloped down to a black lagoon. The water was filthy, sluggish, and stagnant. The smell was putrid.

Jesus helped me into a long pirogue. I sat down, but He stood and poled us across this narrow waterway with His staff. The water boiled and emitted steam every time His staff plunged into it.

Jesus said, “This is a river of filth. As the river of life is clear, so this one is putrid and defiling. It issues from the mouths of sinful man. As rivers of living water come from the belly of My righteous ones, so out of the blackened heart, through the mouth, comes this watery filth.”

I could see creatures lying on the banks and hear them breathing. They appeared to be crocodiles, but they made blowing sounds through their nostrils like hippos.’° Their eyes shone in the dark.

The Chained Ones

Caves lined the levees, and an occasional cry or moan came from them. I felt that the sounds I had heard when we walked through the gate came from these caves. They looked like dungeons with demons guarding the entrances. But who or what was imprisoned there?

The demons uttered low, guttural chuckles at the obvious pain of those imprisoned. They enjoyed someone else’s pain.’

“Observe the misery,” the Lord said. “My people participate in this, enjoying the downfall of another, laughing at the mistakes of others, and holding them in their chains instead of setting the captives free.”

I looked toward the dark entrances of the caves. Within these dungeons the enemy held captive certain areas in the lives of humans on earth. Christians, instead of helping to set the captive free, were tightening the chains of condemnation that held them in bondage. Christians were siding with the jailers against the Lord by nullifying the provision of forgiveness and reconciliation that He had made for them through His shed blood.

The Levee

We stepped onto the opposite bank and began to walk up a wide path to the crest of that levee. Moans came from every demon we passed. Christ’s appearance among the demons tormented them, and they ran away from Him.’

“Light is very painful to them,” Jesus said, indicating the fleeing demons. “They suck up darkness and breathe out venom—lost, corrupted forever, darkness inside and out. These who once ate the food of angels, these who stood in My Father’s light, these who knew the companionship of the trustworthy—now they slither and cringe from the light, cursing the darkness and cursing the light—they are doubly damned. They eat vomit—three or four times over.” (I felt that He was equating vomit with slander.) “In community with those of their kind, they laugh at each other’s misery and deny each other relief—turning, forever turning upon one another, therefore always alone.”

“Leave us,” a voice said, and a hyena giggled.

As we topped the levee, the land as far as I could see was slimy mud, a murky wasteland.’

“Wet,” Jesus said, “for they fear the fire. They are tormented even by dry places.”

Numerous dead trees stood within the mud.

“The trees are a memorial to the vile groves of false gods. Here these trees are seen for what they actually are: broken, bare, without life—the home of snakes and birds of prey.”

Counterfeit Unity

Indeed, black snakes were in these dead trees, as well as covering the brackish mire. They were hissing and writhing, constantly moving over one another as if mating.’ A false unity, a joining in the black mind, I thought. It occurred to me that as the Lord is bringing together a oneness in Himself, so the devil is birthing a counterfeit unity.

Jesus spoke, “The spawn of demons. How Satan promotes his imitation fruit. These goad tormented souls to vomit forth slanders, lies, and cursing—rivers of putrid water in which the demons swim.”

Anna Rountree, The Heavens Opened by Anna Rountree Part II 9 Comments [2/18/2018 6:50:27 AM]
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"Borrowing from the Bible is couched in philosophical terminology like preconditions of intelligibility. In brief, it is when a worldview cannot account for something that is foundational."- World religions and cults vol 3 p. 24. An example, when atheists say "your God is evil", they have no basis in their worldview to say anything is evil. In a naturalistic darwinian worldview there is no ultimate standard to say something is evil because in a godless universe it's just one opinion over another. What one person says is evil another person thinks is good. Hitler thought he was doing a good thing with the holocaust. The holocaust was a terrible thing but only in the Biblical worldview can that be truly said that the holocaust was evil because all morality comes from God, Isaiah 45:19 God said "I, the Lord, speak righteousness, Declaring things that are upright." Only because God has spoken, thats the reason why we have moral absolutes. Atheists have to borrow from the Biblical worldview to attack it. This is just part of what is called the methodology of presuppositional apologetics.

George Moncayo, Facebook 6 Comments [2/18/2018 7:38:28 AM]
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The movie “For the Bible tells me so” (forthebibletellsmeso.org) was shown in my home community of Flint, Michigan in the fall of 2008 as part of a series of gay events called “Out’N About.” Although the movie was billed as a documentary, it was first and foremost a gay propaganda film.

The movie has two distinct elements to it. The documentary element examines the lives of five homosexuals and how their immediate families responded to their homosexuality. That part of the movie is actually a documentary, interesting, emotionally moving, and somewhat objective. The other part of the movie is pure gay political propaganda arranged to disparage conservative Christians and present the gay political movement as the enlightened possessors of the real truth about homosexuality.
From my observations as a scholar on the gay political movement this movie has the imprint of the gay political organization known as Soulforce (www.soulforce.org).

Soulforce has been a branch of the gay political movement specifically targeting the Bible believing Christian church. Mel White is a cofounder of Soulforce and a prominent leader in the gay political movement. A favorite target of Mel White and Soulforce has been Dr. James Dobson and his organization Focus on the Family (www.focusonthefamily.com).
The fact that the movie specifically targets Dr. James Dobson and that Dr. Mel White is a predominant spokesperson throughout the movie gives the Soulforce manipulation away. The movie at the time of this writing was featured on the Soulforce website and on the website of America’s largest gay lobbying organization – The Human Rights Campaign. A fifty page study guide comes with the movie to assist in molding the interested convert into an advocate for Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender equality with heterosexuality.
Besides the deception and lies presented as truths, the gay theology espoused in the film claiming that the Bible does not condemn homosexual behavior is considered by many a self-serving concoction. It would take a whole book to accurately address all the deception and lies in the propaganda part of the movie, so I will select instances that best support my accusations.
Scientific lies and deception
Like most gay propaganda the movie begins its justification of homosexuality by contending that homosexuality is not something that is not chosen.

Conservative Christians knowledgeable on homosexuality, including ex-gays, and psychotherapists who help people overcome unwanted same-sex attractions, agree that clinical science has shown that homosexual attractions are not usually something that an individual chooses. That there is agreement on this point is never brought up in gay propaganda and it is not acknowledged in the movie. Instead Christians, ex-gays, and therapists who disagree with the gay worldview are shown as ninnies who ignore this and other clinical facts. Knowledgeable Christians, ex-gays, and therapists do distinguish between attractions and behavior, and most certainly maintain that individuals have a choice of whether or not they engage in any form of sexual behavior. This distinction is never mentioned in gay propaganda or the movie.

Gay propaganda and clinical science diverge after the fact that homosexuals do not choose their attractions to the same sex. Using that fact as a premise gay propaganda and the movie conclude that homosexuality is an innate condition that is unchangeable and therefore equivalent to heterosexuality. The movie specifically states that “sexual orientation cannot be changed or prevented.”

There are no facts to support the innate theory, so the movie shows a cartoon series that mocks the clinical evidence on the causal factors of homosexuality and sexual orientation change. What researchers have found is that male homosexuals usually have had past experiences of prolonged rejection by the same sex parent and same sex peers throughout childhood. As a child the homosexual never felt he was a part of his gender group, and the longing to be part of the group and the mystery of the same sex turned into same-sex attractions at puberty. This is not always the causal route to male homosexuality, but it has been documented enough to be referred to as the standard causal route.

Clinical science has also documented hundreds of cases where homosexuals have changed their sexual orientation. The evidence is overwhelming. The movie claims ex-gay organizations and psychotherapists use shame and guilt to coax homosexuals to repress their true feelings, thereby presenting ex-gay organizations as a sham and destructive to the mental well being of homosexuals. Nothing could be further from the truth.

The truth is that ex-gay organizations like Exodus International (www.exodus.to) offer real hope to individuals with unwanted same-sex attractions. Many individuals have overcome homosexual behavior and desires. A significant percentage have changed their sexual orientation, married a person of the opposite sex, and raised families.
A sexual orientation change from homosexual to heterosexual is partly a reparative process and partly a cognitive process. Motivation is the main part of the cognitive process. The motivation usually comes from religious beliefs, aspirations of a heterosexual marriage, and from a fact that gay propaganda avoids like the plague, which is that many who enter the gay world find its lifestyle very destructive. The main part of the reparative process is to understand and deal with the memories and hurt of same-sex rejection in childhood. Often there was sexual abuse that contributed to the unwanted same-sex attractions. This short introduction on the causal factors of homosexuality is more accurate than the sum of all the causal information in the movie. The movie mocks this knowledge, and in doing so mocks the truth.

Theological lies and deception

A Rev. Keene makes the statement in the movie that “All loving relationships are honored in the Bible.” This is an easily refutable lie. In the same chapter of Leviticus where homosexuality is condemned there are a number of family related sexual relationships that are prohibited. Surely sexual relationships between close relatives can be loving relationships, yet contrary to Mr. Keene they are condemned. Likewise, Leviticus 18:22 reads “Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman: that is detestable.” There is no insinuation that if a man lies with another man as one lies with a woman in a loving relationship, then it is equal to a heterosexual loving relationship.

In the New Testament the Apostle Paul was informed of a man in the Corinth church who was in a loving relationship with his stepmother. Paul told the church in Corinth to “Expel the wicked man from among you” (I Corinthians 5:13). In another incidence John the Baptist was martyred for saying that it was immoral for King Herod to marry his brother’s wife (Mark 6:18). Mr. Keene’s statement is a fabrication of what he wants the Bible to say.

Mr. Keene’s statement is also a misrepresentation of gay and liberal morality. Liberal sexual morality is based on consensual sex and is not dependent on a loving relationship or marriage. In general consensual sex without love in this moral code is as just as moral as sex in a loving relationship.
The movie presents many arguments of the new gay theology. The most amusing is “What did Jesus say about homosexuality?” The answer is “nothing,” if one ignores his comparison of the destruction of Sodom and the fate of those who did not repent after seeing miracles and hearing the gospel message (Luke 10:12). The sin of bestiality (humans having sex with animals), which happens to be listed in Leviticus 18:23 right after homosexuality, was not mentioned by Jesus in the written record of the gospels. If we use the gay logic that because Jesus did not mention homosexuality it is not immoral, then the same logic applies to bestiality, and it too is no longer immoral behavior.

When one examines Satan’s appearance in the Bible as a serpent in the Garden of Eden or tempting Jesus in the wilderness, it becomes evident that Satan’s method of persuasion is to present half truths. Likewise gay propaganda often persuades with half truths. One such instance in the movie was the gay theological argument that God’s condemnation of Sodom was not because the city was steeped in homosexual behavior, but because it was inhospitable.
The half truth that gay theology presents is that Sodom was indeed inhospitable to the two angels sent to their city in the form of handsome young men. Instead of welcoming the strangers, the men of Sodom sought to anally rape the young men. What the movie does not reveal is that in the ancient world accepted homosexual behavior was not two men of the same sex in a loving reciprocal relationship. It was a dominate man sodomizing a subordinate man or youth, usually a slave or captive from a battle. It was considered a humiliation for a man to be sodomized in any type of relationship.
In a related half truth the movie states that pederasty (an adult man sodomizing an adolescent male) is not homosexuality. It is true that pederasty is considered a specific sexual orientation in itself, but it is definitely a form of homosexuality. Intellectual elites in Ancient Greece during the time of Plato and Socrates considered arranged pederasty relationships the most preferred of all loving relationships. In the late 1980s gay authors Kirk and Madsen referred to the pederasty relationships of ancient Greece as the “traditional gay family.” The values of the Grecian society allowed the free man to not only have sexual relations with his wife, but also prostitutes, both female and male slaves, and a young free man to whom he would also be a mentor. When the young free man became an adult the pederasty relationship ended, because it was dishonorable for a man to be sodomized or have effeminate characteristics.

Deception in the storytelling

The five families featured in the movie were rated as to how supportive they were to their gay child. One family, the Reitans, was given the distinction of being “LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender) Advocates.” In the movie the family is shown taking part in a Soulforce sponsored demonstration at the Focus on the Family facility in Colorado Springs. With his parents at his side the gay child, Jake, makes the accusation that Focus on the Family teaches parents to reject their children.

Mary Lou Wallner was given the distinction of being “Very Unsupportive (Initially)” Mary Lou’s lesbian daughter, Anna, committed suicide. Mary Lou Wallner is now an advocate for gay rights and has been touring the nation in support of the movie. In one part of the movie she tells the videographer that she blames Dr. James Dobson for the suicide of her daughter. At that time in her life Mary Lou was a member of a conservative Christian church that believed homosexual behavior was sin. She also followed the advice of Dr. James Dobson and did not accept her daughter’s homosexuality. The movie portrays that lack of acceptance as the cause of Anna’s suicide.

The Poteat family was listed as “Partially Supportive.” This family kept an open relationship with their lesbian daughter. They too were conservative Christians, who did not approve of their daughter’s homosexuality, but their daughter was always welcome at her childhood home and she always knew her family loved her, even though they did not approve of her lesbian relationships.
Having been a follower of Dr. James Dobson myself and having attended their controversial “Love Won Out” conferences on homosexuality, I can attest that Focus on the Family does not teach parents to reject their children. Obviously, Jake has never personally investigated Dr. Dobson or Focus on the Family, but relied on second hand information from Soulforce to make his damning accusation.

Focus on the Family and their Love Won Out conferences teach parents to continue to openly love their children while continuing their disapproval of the child’s sexual behavior. Focus tells parents the truth that homosexual attractions are usually not a choice, that sexual orientation change is possible but not easy, and that parents need to love their children just as God loves them, even in their sin. The Poteat family is actually a good example of what Focus and Dr. Dobson teach.

Mary Lou Wallner was present at the screening of the movie I attended in Flint. In my research on homosexuality I have read reports and heard lectures by clinical psychologists that lesbians do not usually seek counseling because of conflicts with their sexual orientation, but rather for distress from broken relationships. In the Q and A following the movie I asked Mary Lou if her daughter had any recent relationship problems before the suicide. Mary Lou revealed that her daughter had recently broken up with her long-time lover and moved in with another lesbian who had three teenage children. About two and a half months into this new relationship the woman asked Mary Lou’s daughter to move out. Shortly after this breakup, the daughter committed suicide.

Mary Lou also revealed that her daughter was always welcome at her childhood home. When her daughter and lesbian partners visited, Mary Lou and her husband let them sleep in the same bed. It became clear very quickly how distorted the movie had portrayed Anna’s suicide and the conservative Christian beliefs Mary Lou once held. The Wallner’s were at least as supportive of their lesbian daughter as the Poteats were, and maybe even more so.
Anna Wallner’s suicide had little to do with her parent’s disapproval of homosexual behavior, but a lot to do with the destructive aspects of lesbian relationships. The movie intentionally distorted this fact and used this terrible tragedy to smear an innocent man and the organization he represents. But this is nothing new, it is standard gay propaganda.

Thomas Coy, Ex Gay Truth 4 Comments [2/18/2018 6:48:08 AM]
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COTW winner is williamk, adding this insight to a discussion about the ideological proclivities of anonymous realtalk forums like 4chan,

Any anonymous board is by its very nature Right Wing and pro-White. The chans are /ourguys/, they just have lots of energy and no clear, explicit goals, which leads to lots of entropy.

“You don’t have to believe in chaos. It’s self-evident.”

Anything anonymous inevitably turns Right Wing, because the only point of being Left Wing is for status, and you can’t win status anonymously, so left wing talking points quickly dissipate, there is no incentive to repeat the pretty lies of the left.

The less anonymous the forum, the less about truth and more about status-signalling the political discussion becomes. It’s why Left Wingers create and congregate in the most deanonymous discussion places, they quickly abandon anonymous places. They can’t hang with unvarnished discussion, and have no status to gain there, so they leave.

The /chan autists are /ourguys/. They just have too much disordered energy and don’t always operate with perfect long term strategy.

The (((drive))) to de-anonymize the web (via policy and threats of doxxing) is motivated entirely by the Left’s fear of maul-right realtalk and the mockery it makes of leftist virtue signaling. Anonymity is the Left’s thermal exhaust port, because anonymity provides a means of expressing truths free from witch hunts. Anonymity exposes the impotence of the leftoid mob.

Humiliating impotence is something the Left can’t tolerate without cracking up in a brain blast of cogdis.

For the record, I don’t think the chans are apolitical agents of chaos. They’re anti-Left agents of chaos. That’s what makes them truly dangerous to the corrupt existing order; disaffected, angry young White men can change the world like no other force on earth.

CH, Chateau Heartiste 4 Comments [2/18/2018 7:43:05 AM]
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A Real Time Connection with God

Hello All
My Spiritual Quest for this moment in time has been whittled down to one simple question. How to have a real time, strong and stable, instantaneous, conscious communion with God?

A direct and uncorrupted personal line to the Great Universal Mind of THAT.

Whenever a question arose, one might offer-up a simple prayer and receive an answer immediately. No synchronistic signs or coincidences, but a clear audio voice in ones own mind. A voice that is Understanding, Compassionate and Wise.

Today when I pray to God I am still very surprised by how well it works, but now I am talking about taking it to a whole other level - or 7.

There is a passage in the Bible that reads,
"For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open."

Can you imagine the change in our lives and society as a whole if this became a common ability? Love freedom happiness and justice would permeate and reign over every aspect of Life. We could actually build a Heaven on Earth very easily.

So assuming such a thing is possible, the question now becomes how? How could one attain such a communion with God? I have a rough idea of what it might take, but it is only my personal opinion and just a very basic idea at best.

First of ALL there is Vibration.

Love or Fear - a choice that is going to reverberate thru every aspect of Life. Thinking about, expressing, and therefore becoming love just may be the master key needed to unlock the greatest secret of our hearts desire.

Demonstrating the art of love, we may gain the insights, skills and wisdom needed to experience and understand self and other. We gain confidence in Life and are unafraid of even the harshest of lessons.

The higher we vibrate, the greater the ability?

Secondly - I feel that actually practicing prayer and listening are vitally important. I know that prayer works, but the very fact that I am still amazed at how well it works tells me that I have some work to do. Just as all great pianists must practice for hours and hours, day after day, so a regular communion with God may give you the ability to hear THAT. Finding yourself an enjoyable spiritual practice is probably a key component.

Attending to God - a reaching out with as much pure intent, passion and conviction as possible. A full and whole giving of oneself in a single pointed moment attaining to God.

And thirdly - participating in quality activities. Anything that lifts the spirit in any positive way.

Personally my spirits are raised and realised by meditation and prayer, exercising, walking out in nature with or without the dogs, eating well, being sociable, listening to good music and the higher arts in general - especially poetry and prose. All have a tremendously uplifting affect. Listening to certain folks on YouTube can lift my spirit way high. As well as loads of other things including the giving of my time and helping others in any small way. I mean if nothing else we are going to have a more fulfilled and happy life!

But this is only a small part of my personal list. So please remember that there is no one and no thing between you and God.

And besides taking part in more wholesome activities, we might also avoid the grosser, crazy immature and ignoble and hurtful habits that are holding us back too!

But always remember that ultimately speaking this is a mental transfiguration and connection via your heart and mind to Gods Immaculate Mind - A consciousness expansion.

And so all the above may be reduced down to one word - Dedication.

Faith in this arena is already a given. Yet great FAITH is a bringer of Excellence. And so it is by a great dedication that our Faith is made manifest to God, and oneself is made a worthy vessel, pure enough to be blessed in such a magnificent way.

Or perhaps this is all a massive over-thinking, maybe this is achievable in a single moment via one huge and intensively deep feeling and raw emotion? But then why should it be either one or the other?

So anyway, is this a vision of things to come for humanity?

A Fellowship with, and Walking in - Spirit?

Crazy Horse, Unexplained Mysteries Forum 4 Comments [2/18/2018 7:44:25 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 136498

Who should get the flu shot?......Nobody!

Do you get it? If you do your very trusting of the world. Didn't Jesus say they would hate you?

Joh 15:18 If the world hateth you, ye know that it hath hated me before it hated you.

Repent of your pharmakeia.........or not, and pay the piper, Jubal, that leads you to destruction.

Rev 9:21 and they repented not of their murders, nor of their sorceries (G5331), nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

From G5332; medication (“pharmacy”), that is, (by extension) magic (literal or figurative): - sorcery, witchcraft.

Gen 4:21 And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and pipe.



Ken Faivor, Disqus Grace and Truth 7 Comments [2/18/2018 6:16:06 AM]
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