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Quote# 136735

It’s no news to me. Not only transgenderism but homosexuality is being promoted and encouraged. It’s a self-delusional state which not only imposed on them, but everyone else who would otherwise say it’s just wrong. We’re conditioned into thinking it’s somehow brave and admirable to admit sexual deviations from the norm. What percentage of the animal kingdom is actually homosexual?

They will say there are examples in captivity, but that is hardly a natural environment. What percent of them actually prefer their own sex rather than the opposite? No examples I’m aware of. Yet in humans the percentages are increasing as the culture promotes it. It’s not at all something we’re born with, like they claim. It’s conditioned by society. There is also solid scientific evidence that it’s not genetic, according to studies done on identical twins.

Telepathic Intruder, Free Republic 7 Comments [2/18/2018 7:43:47 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 136682

The USA is in the midst of what has been called the “bathroom wars”; however, access to bathrooms and locker rooms of the opposite sex for the so-called transgendered is only a means to an end. The real objective can be discerned from ACLU’s press release supporting U.S. Department of Education’s demand that the Palatine High School in Illinois (and by extension all schools receiving federal funds) allow a boy, who wants to be accepted as a girl, unrestricted access to the girls’ locker room.

The transgendered and their supporters claim that people are merely assigned a sex at birth, their gender identity (how they feel) may or may not match their assigned sex. The goal is to force everyone to accept that gender identity should take precedence over the biological reality of sexual identity and men who claim to be women should be treated as though they were women.

The ACLU complained that the school district challenged their “client’s identity as a girl,” which is true because their client is not a girl, but a boy. According to the ACLU, all “she wants to be accepted for who she is.” The problem is that he wants to be accepted for who he is not. Their client claims that not allowing him to change with the girls stigmatizes him, “making me feel like I was not a normal person.” The simple answer is that it is not normal for a male to want to be accepted as female.

The Bruce Jenner celebrity blitz and the battle over bathrooms, have brought the issue of gender to the fore and people are wondering how we got to the point where boys who think they are girls can use the girls’ locker room. What happened to common sense?

Unfortunately, many people thought that gender was just a synonym for sex, and could be substituted for it without causing any harm. However, for activists on the far left, sex and gender are not the same. Sex is biologically determined. Gender is socially constructed and does not have to correspond to sex. There are two sexes –male and female, but an unlimited number of genders. Once identity is divorced from reality, chaos ensues, fantasy rules.

The Obama administration is determined to force everyone to accept the demands of transgender activists. Girls would have to pretend that they are comfortable with a boy who wants to be a girl using the girls’ locker room, because if girls complain or show any sign of disapproval, they will be judged guilty of “transphobic discrimination”. Everyone would have to accept that wanting to be the other sex or believing that one can become the other sex is just normal diversity, when in fact it is a symptom of disordered thinking. Even if a person doesn’t believe that people can change their sex, he would have to pretend they do and call what is obviously a male a woman. The media has accepted this demand. using feminine pronouns for Bruce Jenner, who in spite of all the make-up, surgery, clothes and fancy photographers is still male.

Transgendered persons point to the psychological suffering they endure because people don’t accept them. Their suffering is real. They are engaged in a comprehensive denial of reality. Such a denial is hard to sustain as they must continually shut out the truth. The transgendered delight in “passing” – being accepted as the opposite sex in public. It hurts to be told that even if they can pass they are not and can never truly be the other sex.

The government does not have the right to force a citizen to say something he knows is a lie or to be silent in the face of evil. The people have a right to freedom of speech, which includes the right to speak the truth, even if the truth hurts another person’s feelings. So-called “hate speech” rules are unacceptable because they allow one group to veto the speech of another.

Some may argue that this is just about words, but as G. K. Chesterton said, words “are the only thing worth fighting about.” Careless use of language caused this mess and needs to be remedied, first by never saying gender when you mean sex.

The school under attack tried to accommodate the boy who wanted to be a girl. This was a mistake. They should have told the parents that their son is a boy and must use the boys’ facilities. If this is not possible, he needs counseling. Halfway accommodation won’t work; the Department of Education demands total capitulation. The defenders of the reality of sex difference should learn from this mistake. They cannot compromise the truth. They should not force the other students to accept the lie that gender trumps sex, just to avoid hurting a troubled boy’s feelings.

The LGBTQ activists and their ACLU lawyers are not tolerant liberals who respect other people’s rights. They are pushing a type of political correctness which is a manifestation of a totalitarian, Marxist-influenced ideology. Theodore Dalrymple, an expert on totalitarian societies explains how activists triumph:

In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed.

The girls forced to accept a boy in their private space are being targeted for just this kind of humiliation. This is about much more than bathrooms.

Dale O’Leary is a US writer with a special interest in psychosexual issues and is the author of two books: One Man, One Woman and The Gender Agenda: Redefining Equality. She blogs at What Does the Research Really Say?

Dale O'Leary, MercatorNet 7 Comments [2/18/2018 3:21:51 PM]
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Submitted By: Christopher

Quote# 136715

The Bible IS in fact, a trustworthy guide. Jesus Christ is the saviour and the ultimate trustworthy guide. Did anyone else fulfill over 350 prophecies??https://www.quickening-spirit.com/prophecies-fulfilled-jesus/ Watch the video and read, and ask God for understanding and pray in the name of Jesus. Rebuke all unclean spirits in Jesus' name. Be saved TODAY http://www.allaboutgod.com/salvation-prayer.htm?

Katherine K, Youtube 11 Comments [2/18/2018 3:28:42 PM]
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Submitted By: FSM

Quote# 136759

I just noticed an error that i repent for, i did not realize that i should have put the "fundie's" name as the website where the prophecies rightfully belong to. I take no credit for any of these prophecies, as i am only one in many trying to spread YAHUVEH'S truths and share His prophecies which He has given to Prophet Elizabeth Elijah.

Glory2YAHUVEH!, Amightywind.com 7 Comments [2/19/2018 12:41:58 AM]
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Quote# 136745

That said, we should not be surprised that the far-left favour child sex. After all, the very basis of their cultural Marxist ideology is the idea that Christian morality is ‘reactioinary’ and has to be smashed in order to prepared the ground for revolution. That’s why groups such as the Socialist Workers Party support the legalisation of pedophilia by the abolition of the age of consent.

This leftist promotion of perversion is basically the brainchild of György Lukács, a Hungarian-based (but not Hungarian) Bolshevik who was deputy commissar for culture in the Béla Kun regime in Hungary in 1919. Lukács’ goal was openly and avowedly to eradicate Christianity and Christian morality from Hungarian society, and he believed that one of the most effective methods of achieving this would be to undermine sexual morality through the introduction of compulsory sex education in schools.

To achieve his aims, he introduced a radical programme in schools which included graphic literature being handed out to children, the promotion of promiscuity, the mocking of monogamy, and the scorning of their parents’ moral ethics.

The Béla Kun regime in Hungary lasted only six months, so György Lukács never got to see the rotten fruit of his plans. But unfortunately his ideas didn’t die with regime. Four years later he turned up in Frankfurt for a Marxist study week, where he shared his ideas amongst a fascinated group. One of the Marxists there, Felix Weil, was so taken with Lukács’ ideas that he used the fortune he had inherited to finance the Institute of Social research in Frankfurt – what became known as the Frankfurt School – incorporating many of Lukács’ ideas in its teaching.

The goal of the Institute was to translate Marxism from economic into cultural terms, since economic Marxism hadn’t had the success amongst the working classes that they had expected or hoped for. The reason for this lack of success, they surmised, was that the working classes had been contaminated with traditional bourgeois morals. So they set about breaking those morals through a number of means, including portraying traditional attitudes as “prejudice”, promoting androgyny, homosexuality and other perversions and by seeking to subvert the language through what we now know as “political correctness”.

Which, on reflection, is what should have told us that Antiphobic Aktion was not the work of trolls, but simply a ‘kite-flyer’ for the far-left’s next big assault on decency and Christian society – the attempt to normalise pedophilia. Because that was part of the long-term goal when they began their first, tentative propaganda about the need to halt the ‘repression’ of adult male homosexuality. It’s all part of the same plan!

FRANCESCO LATORRE, Forza Nuova USA 3 Comments [2/18/2018 12:20:48 PM]
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Submitted By: hydrolythe

Quote# 136718

John Donovan: To the extent that there are gays still dying of sexually transmitted diseases at high rates, this should be counted as a form of killing, even if murder isn't the right term for it.

Bruce Atkinson: It is closer to being 'manslaughter-suicide' by idiots in terrible denial. Regardless of what you call it, active homosexuals are dying at a much, much faster rate than heterosexuals. Yes, they are dying of AIDS faster than any other group, but not only AIDS but suicide and all kinds of medical illnesses ... at a higher rate than others. Choosing to live a high risk and sinful lifestyle will impact one in many ways. But one way they are not dying is from murder or physical abuse by heterosexuals. They abuse their own at a much higher rate.

John Donovan: read something recently written by a gay man on Huffington Post, a liberal website. He said that gays have stopped meeting very much at bars and that he and other gays instead are arranging hook-ups in which strangers come to their homes, and added that he gets a lot more ill treatment from other gays than from anyone else and in general is suffering from a kind of social isolation.

John Donovan & Bruce Atkinson, Virtue Online 4 Comments [2/18/2018 7:38:37 AM]
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Quote# 136721

Sermon 24: End Game

By The Rev. William Grimes

Proverbs 20:1 says "Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise." Romans 12:2 says "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God." Ephesians 2:10 says: "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."

Liberal sinful seductress Taylor Swift released her "End Game" video, which is part of promoting her vile reputation album that contains thinly veiled references to petty feuds with other celebrities, sexual excess, lesbianism, drunkenness, as well as petty score settling.

This video frequently contains the consumption of alcoholic beverages as well as alluding to bedroom conduct. Swift wears such attire as a dress that reveals her legs as well as a tight leather outfit that displays her treacherous curves and abhorrent breasts for those in Swift's primary demographic of preteen and young teenage girls. Girls are going to go out and pounce around drinking booze and throwing themselves at boys who cannot pray to God to control their sex drives because their wicked parents tolerate such depravity! CHRISTIAN PARENTS NEED TO WAKE UP! SAY AMEN IN THE HOUSE OF GOD! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Valentine's Day was the other day, and I'm sure that unholy relations outside of the sacrosanct union of one man and one woman in the bedroom in private alone occurred! College kids in their dorm and hotel rooms, some behind an Arby's dumpster, and yet others in the park for holy men and women of God and precious little children to observe! THIS IS A FARCE THAT MUST CEASE IMMEDIATELY! ANYONE WHO CELEBRATES THIS DAY OF PURE SEXUAL EXCESS WILL BE DAMNED ETERNALLY! NO VALENTINE'S DAY, NO ASH WEDNESDAY, NO IDOLATRY! YEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWW!!!!!!


The Rev. William H. Grimes, New Testament Baptist Church 11 Comments [2/18/2018 7:42:11 AM]
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Quote# 136723

(commenting on story "UK Humanists Want Homosexual Issues Taught in Primary Schools")

A humanist campaign group wants four-year-olds to be taught about LGBT issues, and has branded religious views on sexuality “discriminatory.”
Humanists UK, formerly known as the British Humanist Association, issued a statement backing government plans on new primary school relationships education.
Under the proposals, children will be taught about “different types of relationships,” which critics fear could include homosexuality, transsexualism and same-sex marriage.
The group went on to compare traditional religious views to racism, claiming they were an “unconscionable affront to the equality and dignity of all people.”

Amos Moses:

How is teaching acceptance of those who are different "pedophilia?"
How is teaching diversity "pedophilia?"
By your "logic," teaching kids to accept black kids in their schools as equal is racism.

Amos Moses:
conflation of race and depravity is a false paradigm ..... and there is no "logic" there ..........
sexualization and grooming of children to accept that sexualization ...... is pedophilia ...........

Define sexualization.

Amos Moses:
Grooming or making CHILDREN view and accept sex (especially depraved sex) as part of their "education" ............ it includes numerous activities ............

Sally Edwards:
No, pedophilia is actively sexually abusing a child.
No one is grooming children for pedophilia by teaching them that some people are homosexuals. Pedophilia wasn't mentioned in the article.

Amos Moses:
no it is not ...........LIE .............
"Pedophilia is termed pedophilic disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), and the manual defines it as a paraphilia involving intense and recurrent sexual urges towards and fantasies about prepubescent children that have either been acted upon or which cause the person with the attraction distress or interpersonal difficulty. [1] The International Classification of Diseases (ICD-10) defines it as a sexual preference for children of prepubertal or early pubertal age.[4]"
GROOMING is what is being done to CHILDREN to accept homosexuality ............ and it is pedophilia ......

Sally Edwards:
"Intense and recurrent sexual urges towards and fantasies about prepubescent children"
Your words, not mine. Now tell me that relates to this simple story about a school educating children about homosexuals.
Also, homosexuality and pedophilia could not be more different.

Amos Moses:
NOPE .... DSM-5s words .......... FAIL .... TRY AGAIN .............

Amos Moses, Christian News Network 8 Comments [2/18/2018 7:42:28 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 136584

The funny thing is, they are not only shamed for having these urges, they are punished for trying to fight their urges.

Like, if you are a pedophile, and want to have a fap material to keep your sex drive low, it will get you in prison. You will also lose all friends, and your mom will make a post on reddit saying she wants you to die. Nice.

Criminalizing CP made it so. hard to find that it's just easier to go and molest a real kid.

the children in CP ARE "real children". are you actually making an argument for the legalization of child porn?

It's already shot, destroying the footage helps no one. I totally support tracking the author and cutting his balls off, but downloading CP is a victimless crime.

A child is revictimized every time those pictures are shared.

Yeah, because he somehow senses every HTTP request, even in his sleep.

We allow gore, we allow /r/watchpeopledie, just for amusement. We don't care what the family of the people who died think about it.

If decriminalizing CP will reduce abuse of other children, I'm all for it.

A child is victimized when those pictures are taken.

Honestly, it seems like at least in some cases child is victimized by people telling him he was victimized

User8423, Reddit 5 Comments [2/18/2018 10:45:32 AM]
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Quote# 136585

two mature and consenting adults who are of able mind and legal age to consent

In some countries gays are called fags, and treated in the same way as pedophiles (faggotry is criminally prosecuted, fags are shamed by general population). Yet, just as pedophiles, fags can't help themselves, regardless of the law and moral qualms.
forced encounter between a grown adult and a child.

I've seen CP, and, based on my "research", most ****** seem to be genuinely into it, there is nothing forced about it. Some are not. You can say that pedophiles are taking advantage of ******** , and ******** can't consent, but it is rarely forced.

I can't help but wonder how much of the damage attributed to sexual abuse is made by the good samaritans telling the ******* how "wrong" and "dirty" it was post factum.

So you are arguing that children are not forced to be in child pornography, but are in fact choosing to be? "rarely forced" - you genuinely believe this?

Yes, in most cases I observed on video, "forced" would be totally inappropriate term. The word you are looking for is "manipulated". They are genuinely excited, and they like what's going on.

30% of CP is made by ****** anyway, try your mental acrobatics to explain who's the victim here.
Children obviously do engage in sexual exploration. Which is different from being sexually abused. What I was questioning was your assertion that they genuinely enjoy being raped on camera, in many cases by a parent. There is a lot of testimony to be found on the internet, from victims of sexual abuse, describing how their abusers threatened and beat them into acting as if they enjoyed themselves on camera. I've included only one of many articles:


I'll ask you again: do you really believe that these raped and violated children were enjoying themselves? You don't have to be honest with me, but be honest with yourself - if you can.

Nobody enjoys getting raped, on camera or not. ****** that get raped don't enjoy it. On the other hand, some 5 y.o. giving a head to her dad often enjoys it. Think (I know, it's hard for you, but try it for once), why wouldn't she? She loves her dad, she spends time with her dad, they play fun games, and nobody told her that it is bad yet. For her, sucking his dick is no different from scratching his back. She sees that her dad enjoys it, and it makes her enjoy it too.

I don't say it's good, I don't say it will not damage her in the future, I'm just stating the facts. The facts don't give a fuck about how you feel about them, they just are
I can see bad acting from a mile away - in adults. I can detect when most adults are lying, or scared.

You implying that I can't see when a ***** is pretending (which I've seen in some videos - ****** scared and acting for camera), and when he genuinely likes what's going on is just laughable.

User8423, Reddit 6 Comments [2/18/2018 10:47:48 AM]
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Quote# 136727

How about praying for our nations, indeed the nations of the world. Perhaps that some great and moral leaders, and champions can emerge, find True Parents and help lead the battle against immorality, the destruction of the family and the ever pervasive LGBT ( homosexual ) lobby.

The LGBT agenda in my mind is one of the most sinister movements in the world today. Those of us working in our communities can see clearly that our children are under terrible attack through the schools and all media. The last minister for education is a self proclaimed lesbian and used her position to push her personal ideas forward.

Andy Johnson, FFWPU-UK 6 Comments [2/18/2018 7:43:13 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 136530

BBC - A Pakistani woman who was set on fire for refusing a marriage proposal has died of her injuries
Maria Sadaqat, a young schoolteacher, was attacked in her home by a group of men on Sunday and died in hospital in Islamabad on Wednesday. Her family say she had turned down a marriage proposal from the son of the owner of a school she had taught at. Campaigners say attacks on women who refuse marriage proposals are common in Pakistan.

Maria's father has said the school owner was one of the men who attacked his daughter. Police told the BBC that the men beat her and doused her in petrol before setting her alight near the hill resort of Murree, not far from the capital. She suffered serious burns on nearly all of her body. Local media report that she had 85% burns.
Nearly 1,100 women were killed in Pakistan last year in so-called honour-killings, the country's independent Human Rights Commission says. Most are by relatives, but a small number carried out by people outside the family are also related to perceived loss of honour, correspondents say. Police said earlier this year that village elders had ordered the murder of a teenage girl because she helped a friend to elope.
Campaigners say most "honour killings" are not reported.
The Council of Islamic Ideology proposed making it legal for husbands to "lightly beat" their wives. Religious groups have equated women's rights campaigns with promotion of obscenity.

It's not a big deal this is like a one off. I'm sure people will make wild generalisations and drag in a bit of racism to make themselves feel better but ultimately this issue is none of the West's business. Let countries handle their own Human Rights issue. I can't believe that some people are already calling for Western intervention in the form of treaties. Keep your nose out of it more like.
What's more this is not an Islamic issue, it's cultural. Islam has nothing to do with this.
Lots of women die from male violence/abuse in the West but that's not sexy and sensationalist news is it now?

If they are so peaceful how about you go live in Afghanistan, Pakistan, or Saudi Arabia. See how long you last as a westerner.

Saudi Arabia does't have a rape problem. Are you aware of just how strict and overhanded their sex crime laws are?

What your link doesn't say (to anyone who is actually following this discussion ) is that the King of Saudi Arabia gave the victims an official pardon and they were not actually lashed or jailed.
In addition the perpetrators of the gang rape were sentenced to 1,000 lashes and imprisonment up to ten years
Nice try but you just proved that Saudi Arabia has strict sexual assault crimes just because they might have sexist laws in place for the victims doesn't negate that.
Why were they sentenced to begin with?

the sentencing is justified and it's clearly written in the link, that is, it is illegal for women to be alone with men who are not related to them. This law was put in place to protect women (and men) from putting themselves in situations which would inspire rape. Before you say victim blaming this is no different to the loud groups that question women about what they were wearing and why they were out so late or why they got into the car with a stranger.

Firstly, women have rights over their own bodies and that includes the right to be alone with whoever they want. You have no right to decide who a woman can spend her time with and you certainly have no right to punish her for it.

Secondly, I like how you avoided talking about how Saudi husbands demand sex from their wives whether the wives want to or not. People like you are the reason millions (billions) of women are abused every day.

If you don't want to follow the particular laws of a country or respect them for that matter, don't live there. I wouldn't bring forbidden animals or any animal in my luggage without declaring it into Australia for example but I would feel horrible about leaving my pets at home. But ultimately the law is the law. And in this case it's their because of religious reasons. In Islam it's illegal for men and women who are not related to be alone and there is nothing wrong with that. I respect people's religious views. I think you should too.

There is a certain expectation to have sex with any marriage regardless of religion/race. Plenty of divorces happen when needs are not being met. In the bible it says that women must submit themselves to their husbands and there is another verse that I cannot recall that supports this idea that women should be prepared to meet their husbands need which includes sex. Like I have been saying since page one this is not a Muslim issue, hell it's not even a Christian or religious issue. Men demand sex from their wives all the time. Women are victimised by men across race, religion and culture. Why are you loath to admit this?

The law about not being alone with strangers of the opposite sex is not sexist because it applies to men as well.

You say that the bible is not law anywhere but the Qu'ran is. I hope you realise that Saudi Arabia is an Islamic state not just in name but in practice too. 99.99% IF not 100% of their citizens are Muslim I don't see the problem with the law reflecting the religion which everyone practices as has been historically the case in the West with Christianity. Who are you defending? The muslim women who actually support the law which you say is sexist? Saudi Arabian women do not need you to cape for them they are happy living under the sharia law which is a part of the religion they practice.

Shinra1, mmo-champion 2 Comments [2/18/2018 6:23:49 AM]
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Quote# 136460

A member of President Trump's evangelical executive advisory board said "Jesus himself gave us the flu shot," adding that his believers are "redeemed ... from the curse of flu."

"We don't have a flu season and don't receive it when somebody threatens you with 'everybody's getting the flu,' " Gloria Copeland - who co-founded the Kenneth Copeland Ministries in Texas with her husband - said in a video clip posted online by Right Wing Watch, HuffPost reported.

"We've already had our shot: He bore our sicknesses and carried our diseases. That's what we stand on. And by his stripes, we were healed."

She said she is praying for every person who has symptoms of the flu.

"I'm asking you lord, by your supernatural power, to heal them now from the top of their head to the soles of their feet ... Jesus himself gave us the flu shot. He redeemed us from the curse of flu," she said.

"And we receive it, and we take it, and we are healed by his stripes."

She again added "by his stripes, we were healed."

"If you said, 'Well I don't have any symptoms of the flu.' Well great, that's the way it's supposed to be," she said.

"Just keep saying that: "I'll never have the flu. I'll never have the flu.' Put words, inoculate yourself with the word of God. He himself bore my sicknesses, carried my diseases, and by his stripes I was healed. I am healed."

Gloria Copeland, The Hill 2 Comments [2/18/2018 6:15:13 AM]
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Submitted By: Hu’s On First

Quote# 136657

(Comment on the lovely bible story of Elisha who curses some kids that mocked him, causing two female bears to rip 42 of them apart)

I love that story! Even more today as I see the nasty little snots marching around in the streets today, having their temper tantrums because their person wasn't elected to Presidential Office. They are just as bad as these youth, sneering, mocking, shouting out rage and hate. Maybe some coyotes will invade the city and give some of them what they deserve. God Bless Trump.

Joe Zyzyx, Dwindling In Unbelief 10 Comments [2/18/2018 1:07:33 PM]
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Submitted By: SomeApe

Quote# 136620

What does Scripture say about Polygamy?

In Matt. 19:4 we are told by Jesus that God created one “male and [one] female” and joined them in marriage. Mark 10:6-8:"But from the beginning of the creation, God 'made them male and female.' 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, 'and the two shall become one flesh'; so then they are no longer two, but one flesh.
The two as one is the pattern on how marriage was to be conducted from the start. NOT three or four as one.

Eve was taken from Adams body and given back to him as his wife (singular) showing God’s approval of what the marriage union is to be like. God always spoke of man's “wife,” as singular, not wives. Notice it also states one father one mother.

It wasn’t until sin made man fall (Gen. 4:23) that polygamy occurs. Cain was cursed, Lamech is a descendent of Cain and the first to practice polygamy. The first time polygamous relationship is found in the Bible is with a thriving rebellious society in sin; when a murderer named “Lamech [a descendant of Cain] took for himself two wives” (Gen.4:19, 23).

The same Godly pattern of one man and one wife is lived by Noah. At the time of the Ark (Gen. 7:7), Noah took his one wife into the ark, all his son’s took one wife; God called Noah’s family righteous and pure. If polygamy were ordained of God, it would have made sense that Noah and his sons would have taken additional wives with them to repopulate the earth faster from the cataclysm.

This was to be a permanent union between man and woman that they might be helpful to one another (Genesis 2:18). Marriage represents a relationship of both spiritual and physical unity.

Hebrews 13:3-4: “Marriage is honorable among all, and the bed undefiled; but fornicators and adulterers God will judge.”

We have examples of saints in the Old Testament going off the commandment i.e Solomon, but this is not God approved. Many of the patriarchs took more than one wife. Abraham, by recommendation of Sarah, took her maid. Jacob was tricked through Laban, into taking Leah first, and then Rachel, to whom he had been betrothed. polygamy was not wrong in ancient cultures, but was a departure from the divine institution that God ordained.

In the Bible I count 15 examples of polygamy from the time of Lamech to 931 A.D. 13 of these men had enough power that no one could call into question their practice, they were unaccountable or no one dared approach them. Lamech Genesis 4:19; Abraham Genesis 16; Esau Genesis 26:34; 28:9; Jacob Genesis 29:30; Ashur 1 Chronicles 4:5; Gideon Judges 8:30; Elkanah 1 Samuel 1:2; David 1 Samuel 25:39-44; 2 Samuel 3:2-5; 5:13; 1 Chronicles 14:3; Solomon 1 Kings 11:1-8; Rehoboam 2 Chronicles 11:18-23; Abijah 2 Chronicles 13:21; Jehoram 2 Chronicles 21:14; Joash 2 Chronicles 24:3; Ahab 2 Kings 10; Jehoiachin 2 Kings 24:15; Belshazzar Daniel 5:2; 1 Chronicles 2:8; Hosea in Hosea 3:1,2. Polygamy is mentioned in the Mosaic law and made inclusive on the basis of legislation, and continued to be practiced all down through the period of Jewish history to the Captivity, after which there is no instance of it on record (Gen.29:15-30, Jacob and his wives.)

Was Abraham, David Solomon condemned or approved for practicing polygamy? Well they certainly did not get blessed for it! The fact that every polygamist in the Bible like David and Solomon (1 Chron. 14:3) were punished. This should be evidence that this is not God’s will.

God never condoned polygamy but like divorce he allowed it to occur and did not bring an immediate punishment for this disobedience. Deut. 17:14-17: “I will set a king over me like all the nations that are around me,' “you shall surely set a king over you whom the LORD your God chooses; one from among your brethren you shall set as king over you; you may not set a foreigner over you, who is not your brother. But he shall not multiply horses for himself, nor cause the people to return to Egypt to multiply horses, for the LORD has said to you, 'You shall not return that way again.' “Neither shall he multiply wives for himself, lest his heart turn away; nor shall he greatly multiply silver and gold for himself.” This is the command of God, and he has never changed it.

1 Kings 11:3 says Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines violating the principle of monogamy that he was given through the law of Moses. Consider that Solomon at one time was the wisest man in the world. In I Kings 11:4: “For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father.” Notice Solomon became a polytheist because he was influenced in polygamy. In his case many wives, became many gods. Scripture has always commanded monogamy (Ps.128:3; Prov. 5:18; 18:22; 19:14; 31:10-29; Eccl. 9:9).

The fact is that God never commanded polygamy or divorce. Scripture says (Bible) He only permitted it because of the hardness of their hearts (Deut. 24:1; Matt. 19:8). Matt. 5:31-32: “Furthermore it has been said, “Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce. But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.” God hates divorce as well as polygamy, since it destroys the family (Mal. 2:16). Whatever the patriarchs or any Christian did wrong does not change the fact the Bible condemns it.

There are some stipulations in the law that are connected to this subject. Matt. 22:24: “Teacher, Moses said that if a man dies, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife and raise up offspring for his brother.” This is based on the commandment found in Deut. 25:5-6: “If brothers dwell together, and one of them dies and has no son, the widow of the dead man shall not be married to a stranger outside the family; her husband's brother shall go in to her, take her as his wife, and perform the duty of a husband's brother to her. “And it shall be that the firstborn son which she bears will succeed to the name of his dead brother, that his name may not be blotted out of Israel. ”

Multiple wives was tolerated but never with God's approval. Jesus told the Jews, "Because of your hardness of heart, Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way" (Matthew 19:3-8). The Mosaic law aimed at mitigating, rather than removing, evils that were inseparable from the state of society in that day. Its enactments were directed to the discouragement of polygamy; to prevent the injustice frequently consequent upon the exercise of the rights of a father or a master; to bring divorce under some restriction; and to enforce purity of life during the maintenance of the matrimonial bond.

The Bible says adultery is not a choice, one does not have to acquire another wife to solve his urges. Jesus said if you look upon another woman with desire (married or not) it is adultery, a sin.

Paul insisted that a leader in the church should be “the husband of one wife,” a deacon or elder must have one wife... Titus 1:6.

The New Testament teaches that, “Each man [should] have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband” (1 Cor. 7:2). Monogamous marriage teaches us the type of the relation Christ has between himself and His bride, the church (Eph. 5:31-32). The church is called the bride, collectively as one (singular) each person is not a bride, as in plurality of wives and marriages.

How many wives did Adam have in Gen.2:24? One, God did not take two wives out from his side. Monogamy has always been God's standard for the human race. From the very beginning God set the pattern by creating a monogamous marriage relationship -one man and one woman, Adam and Eve (Gen. 1:27; 2:21-25). It cannot be interpreted he became one with “each wife”; then this would mean he would be a husband to each, committing adultery. God certainly could have made two or more wives for Adam, this would have endorse the idea of polygamy, but he made only one.

The Bible clearly and decidedly states that God does not condone or allow the practice of polygamy over and over again.

Let Us Reason, Let Us Reason 4 Comments [2/18/2018 1:02:47 PM]
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Submitted By: Christopher

Quote# 136532

Aren't homosexuals getting a lot of crap from religious people and in many less advanced countries? Saying mankind accepts them is wrong. Pedophilia is accepted in certain cultures where they marry and bed children at that.

I accept homosexuality because I see nothing but love between the people I know of that sexual orientation. Between a pedophile and child, there is no such thing, not even consent.

This is not true.

First of all in the educated sense the term is not just consent it's called informed consent to show that the person fully understands the consequences of their decisions.

Secondly many young children are capable of making informed consent claiming that all children are incapable of that is ludicrous certainly babies and toddlers, I agree with you but anything over 10 can make informed consent.

Shinra1, mmo-champion 4 Comments [2/18/2018 6:26:48 AM]
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Quote# 85889

The greatest mockery of MY Name yet will be done by Ellen DeGeneres by the ultimate blasphemy to portray I, YAHUVEH, the God of Creation. She will pay with her soul for this and all those that take part in this film. I, YAHUVEH, will send forth MY wrath on those that call themselves the greatest to the least. This includes not only the Studio, Producers, Script Writers, Actors, wardrobe, caterers; make up artists, even the stand-in actors and actresses. I, YAHUVEH, will pour out MY Wrath on even the State this is filmed in. I, YAHUVEH, warn any advertiser I, YAHUVEH, will command MY Babies, Bride, Chosen Ones and Elect as well even those who do not serve nor obey MY Holy Word but know there is a God YAHUVEH to fear, to protest and boycott your products.

A woman named Ellen Degeneres will openly mock ME, portraying to be Almighty God. Ellen Degenerate She is not only openly gay but she is the first in America to be embraced by the White House which included the President of the U.S.A., as they held a dinner for her and her same sex partner she claims to have married. I, YAHUVEH, call Ellen DeGeneres, Ellen Degenerate. She is reprobate and knows no shame as she is rewarded by satan with fortune and fame for she was the first to claim same sex marriage and knows no shame and is proud of her name. Start protesting and boycotting and warning all who will listen anyone that watches this film and listens to her mock I, YAHUVEH, and does not protest in fear will reap what she will sow.

I prophesied through MY Daughter Elisabeth, and that prophecy has been posted for years now for all to read [Prophecy 20], Ellen DeGeneres spoon fed the children and people the spirit of homosexuality while laughing about it. Because of this I, YAHUVEH, prophesied she would be the first to taste the Boiling Black Blood Plague when she will beg to die as black blood will spew from her mouth. All the sexually immoral will suffer this end time plague. I, YAHUVEH, prophesied this through this handmaiden of MINE because I knew what Ellen DeGeneres' master satan would have her do and that is to mock the Creator of all Creation.

Prophet Elisabeth Elijah Nikomia, Amightywind 162 Comments [2/2/2012 4:32:01 AM]
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Submitted By: Yakob

Quote# 136654

User Eric Brock posted the following, post entitled "Faith is Universal: We all believe in something"

Examining the need to confirm our doubts/faiths/beliefs based on the acceptance of others. Does the conversion and adherence of others necessarily validate or invalidate any particular position and, if so then, why? We all will have our own personal faiths and beliefs and within those, we will all have elements of doubt. What percentage of our efforts to convince others is motivated by our need to overcome our own disbelief?
This question is posed to the adherents of so called "organized religions" as well as those who claim to be "atheist". Agnostics are equally welcomed.

Lady Checkmate:
Respectfully, EricBrock, you're confused and your OP doesn't make sense (and I must share truth with you because Truth is the only thing that will set you free from satan's lies and deception). JustMat explained it for you in his comment. Please seek Jesus Christ. He is the ONLY way, the truth and the life. You're in our prayers.

1 Timothy 2:5 (KJV)
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

John 14:6 (KJV)
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

1 Corinthians 14:33 (KJV)
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

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Lady Checkmate, Disqus - Faith & Religion 7 Comments [2/18/2018 1:06:44 PM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 136689

Cheap labor is neither.

1. The imported peasant world labor is less productive than the native White labor.

2. The initial cost savings to BIGCORP are lost to negative social externalities.

Monopolize the profits, socialize the costs.

Cracker Jack writes,

It wasn’t long ago that liberal Democrats/media made the case that “cheap foreign labor” wasn’t cheap – it was an example of big corporations profiting while society pays the cost. Then big corporations/Big Judaism convinced the Democrats to abandon workers because those foreign laborers and their anchor babies vote Democrat 8 times each.

The forces of Globohomo Inc will and are pulling out all the stops to thwart the nascent rise of a White-aware political and social movement in America.

They have everything to lose if they fail to contain nationalist populism. They know this, which is why they’re resorting to lies and frame jobs and censorship and full throttle 24/7 Narrative agitprop. The media-democreep-oligarch partnership in crime will assure America’s decline into banana republicanism if their agenda isn’t exposed and stopped in its tracks.

Which means we Americans have to ask ourselves…do we want self-rule, or rule by BIGCORP overlords?

PS The armchair historian in me recalls that the demand for cheap labor and the sexual and political liberation of women were defining features of nearly every major civilizational collapse. If there was a notable exception to this rule, I invite the commenters to discuss it with the civil flair that is customary for Chateau comment threads.

PPS From an MPC Status Update (strapon will be triggered to a pungent menstruation):

‘The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) counted over 100 people killed or injured by alleged perpetrators influenced by the so-called “altright”-a movement that continues to access the mainstream and reach young recruits.’

“100 genuine deaths or injuries from the altright per year would make them about 14% as dangerous as toasters”

Ban toasters! Heh.

CH, Chateau Heartiste 3 Comments [2/18/2018 3:25:38 PM]
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Quote# 136655

Louis, you do not need rocket science to work out that the pink gaystapo have an investment in keeping the truth at bay as the whole homosexual way of life is based on the lie that you are born that way.
That is very hard to believe when one of your own kind stands up at a conference to discuss all things homosexual that they had to make it a civil rights issue. We had to dispel the idea that we are born gay because if we don't then we have to admit that we can stop being homosexual. That was a public statement made in a public meeting for all to hear. To paraphrase, "we have to hide the truth that we are not born gay so that we can sidetrack society into believing it is a civil rights issue. In other words, the truth must be corralled so that we can spread our lies to get what we want. And in other, other words, why should we believe anything you say?


Scientists can't prove what doesn't exist and an open minded homosexual is an oxymoron. In addition, the truth about homosexuality has been banned from the university campuses, the main steam media, the education system and governments. The end result is that society today is being re-engineered by a social reforming jackboot brigade who are offering us a house built on sand. If it keeps going at the rate it is, like the past, it will destroy society so in effect they are signing their own death warrant whilst we enjoy the prospect of the second coming of Christ, which I believe their sin and perversion will hasten Whatever happens, we win, they lose.

Truth v Lies, MercatorNet 5 Comments [2/18/2018 1:06:59 PM]
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Quote# 136529

By teaching young girls to focus on their body, beauty, hair and makeup, instead of their good character, is to raise a hoochie-mama. Young girls are enamored with one day becoming old enough to start dating (as if that's all that matters in life). From the time they are old enough to walk, they are targeted by Madison Avenue companies who want to sell them sexy toys, sexy movies, sexy clothes, sexy video games and sexy dolls. Sex is being sold to the kids.

Females wearing pants may seem harmless and even laughable when a preacher speaks out against ladies wearing them. Albeit, this is where it all starts, at the beginning. The clothing that you wear determines your mindset. A woman wearing a long dress is going to behave virtuous and ladylike; whereas, a woman wearing pants is going to behave more sexy, tomboy-like and loose. It is a psychological fact that what you wear affects how you think and behave. You cannot argue with facts. The fact is that lesbianism is becoming very prevalent in U.S. society today. The fact is that feminism is also thriving in our society. You cannot downplay the connection between feminism, homosexuality, abortion and the lewd, nude and crude behavior of American women today. American woman today are incredibly entitled, worldly and angry about everything.

My friend, I wrote this particular article in defense of good old-fashioned Biblical morality, which we need a revival of today. As the world has become more worldly over the past century, so also have our churches backslid into the degenerating American culture. I am proud to be called “old school” by an apostate pastor who has become worldly. The so-called “new school” is in reality, sinful compromise. It is immorality!!! The “new school” is the Devil's school. It is tragic that today's churches are going astray from Biblical morality, allowing the heathen world and queer fashion designers in France to dictate our standards of dress and clothing. The Holy Bible ought to dictate our moral standards. Bruce (now Caitlyn) Jenner is merely a signpost of a collapsing civilization.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Precious 8 Comments [2/18/2018 6:19:58 AM]
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Quote# 136531

I happen to believe in God-given rights as a parent. That is to say... I brought my child into the world and I (not the government) am directly responsible for the safety and well-being of my child. Unfortunately, oftentimes the government (DCFS) and the parents disagree on what is "BEST" for a child. This is especially true when it comes to medicines (drugs)! With the advancement of modern medicine and the onslaught of drugs to treat everything from a headache to hyper-activity, it has hurled parents into a whole new arena of problems with the DCFS system (or should I say it has given DCFS a very powerful tool to attack innocent parents with). With the militarization of America's Police Force after the 911 attacks, Christian parents have all the more reason to be cautious, protect themselves and be very careful who you trust to watch your children.


The DCFS investigator told us the first day she came to our door on March 13th, 2002 to "get that medicine into your daughter's body." That was her exact words. In fear, we complied immediately. We took our daughter to a neurologist within 2-weeks and the neurologist placed our daughter on 250mg of "Depakote." Depakote is a drug derived from Valproic Acid. Valproic Acid is used to calm patients in insane asylums (it basically deadens the brain's activity).

Read Here on The DANGERS of Depakote! (scary!!!)

Medication Dangers!

DCFS FORCED this upon our child!


Our new doctor has stated in writing to DCFS (through our lawyer) that our daughter suffered from "liver toxicity" and "bone marrow shut-down" because of the forced Depakote!

The government has NO RIGHT to play Russian-Roulette with our daughter!


We've already been billed by our lawyer for over $20,000 and DCFS still won't withdraw the charge against us as being “negligent parents” for our failure to drug our child with a dangerous drug!

We know we did the RIGHT THING in NOT allowing our daughter to be a guinea-pig for the pharmaceutical industry!

Please Read, The Psycho State, by Texas Congressman Ron Paul

Please Read, It Can't Happen Here, by Texas Congressman Ron Paul

Mandatory Toxic Drugs for Babies and Children

God WILL Avenge us!

Romans 12:19

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 5 Comments [2/18/2018 6:26:11 AM]
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Quote# 136712

Pray for an understanding. The Bible is like a loaded fire arm; it is only to be handle in the hands of skillful users. When kids like yourself get a hold of it, they commit suicide like you just clearly did with your erroneous misunderstanding.

Chuck Smith, Dwindling In Unbelief 12 Comments [2/17/2018 1:36:00 PM]
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Submitted By: SomeApe

Quote# 136548

"PP´s shuttin´down this day"

The deathscorts served Planned Parenthood
And in their name did little good
But lots and lots of evil
Made money killing babies
Made money killing babies
Treated pro-lifers like dogs with rabies
But not anymore

The deathscorts are long-faced today
´Cause PP´s shuttin down this day
And they will have to travel far away
Or make their money in some other way
Than off of unborn blood

Their company helped racists
Made money protecting rapists
Traded in human flesh
Denied the humanity of the unborn
And their bodies into pieces torn
But not anymore

The deathscorts are long-faced today
´Cause PP´s shuttin´down this day
And they will have to travel far away
Or make their money in some other way
Than off of unborn blood

Babies ripped apart at the abortion mill
Or poisoned by the abortion pill
Killed with syringes and suction machines
PP got rich on blood and taxpayer money
Flocked for the killings like flies around honey
But not anymore

The deathscorts are long-faced today
´Cause PP´s shuttin´ down this day
And they will have to travel far away
Or make their money in some other way
Than off of unborn blood

Planned Parenthood claimed to be good
That abortion on demand was as it should
That serial killers in white coats were heroes
And many were fooled by their vicious lies
When baby-killing came as healthcare disguised
But not anymore

The deathscorts are long-faced today
´Cause PP´s shuttin´ down this day'
And they will have to travel far away'
Or make their money in some other way
Than off of unborn blood

The US pro-lifers their message spread
And by the time people saw what dread
Planned Parenthood really stood for
Together the people fought for the right to live
So that no-one to PP their baby would give
PP had been popular, but not anymore

The deathscorts are long-faced today
´Cause PP´s shuttin´ down this day
And they will have to travel far away
Or make their money in some other way
Than off of unborn blood

Planned Parenthood finally got defunded
And the sceptical ones were astounded
That it had been finally done
Roe v Wade was thrown overboard
Abortion on demand was outlawed
It had been going on for so long, but not anymore

The deathscorts are long-faced today
´Cause PP´s shuttin down this day
And they will have to travel far away
Or make their money in some other way
Than off of unborn blood."

WorldGoneCrazy-NotMurderedYet, Live Action News 4 Comments [2/18/2018 6:31:16 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 136549

Hahaha - I'm laughing because a former pro-abort on here, Ronald Carter, used to say that "deathscort" was not a word, nor "abortuary."

One time RC was having such a colossal meltdown over both words that the Great and Powerful Trixie chimed in with:

“...and that's why you're here having a hissy (made up) fit. You should probably abort this conversation. Do you need a deathscort?” – trixiewoobeans

Also, Pere has written a song called "Long-Faced Deathscorts" - quite brilliant really!

A deathscort is the person who escorts the innocent preborn babies to their place of execution. They are the closest thing we have in this day and age to a concentration camp guard.

WorldGoneCrazy-NotMurderedYet, Live Action News 12 Comments [2/18/2018 6:31:41 AM]
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