Quote# 42585

My point: For instance, while I usually think of lying is wrong, I think the germans who hid Anne Frank in their home did the right thing. So there are times when "bearing false witness" is the morally right thing to do.

The response: The deception is, taking only "well they hid Anne Frank" out of context without looking at the entire scope of who else it effected and how it effected them. We're only given the happy ending so we assume it's all okay. But as surely as Dr King Jr could effect change without breaking the law, change could have come about for Anne Frank without lying too.

Bryan, Hypocrite 54 Comments [7/10/2008 6:02:04 AM]
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Submitted By: Wildjourne

Quote# 42583

"Pardon me if I don't have a degree in particle physics or quantum theory but I do know that things like numbers and time only exist is the mind since they have no atomic structure or physical properties like mass, velocity or force. "

joe_christian, Liberty News Forum 36 Comments [7/10/2008 6:10:00 AM]
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Quote# 42586

...we probably wouldn't exist. Think about it. If there was no God...what would be the point of developing the wide variety of emotions that humans have? I mean, our emotions, a lot of times, don't lend well to the survival of our species. People are thinkers that can choose not to have children, have only a few, take a few years break in between having children, etc.

An animal that is able to reproduce will always do so if given the chance - even if reproduction always results in death for the mother, father, or both!

If humans thought like animals, we'd all have a baby every year with the first available person regardless of circumstances because survival of the species is most important.

Of course God commands us to be fruitful and multiply but...well, if our complex emotions actually decrease our productivity as a species...what's the point? To make us closer to God! God gave us the gift of emotion (not that animals don't have emotions, but not like humans of course) to make humans - made in His image - distinctly separate from the other creatures of the Earth. That's proof enough of God for me! PTL!

craneflight, If Evolution Was Real... 27 Comments [7/10/2008 6:14:24 AM]
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Quote# 42582

The construction of any biblical model of recolonization must include these principles. The model suggested on the following pages is constructed in good faith, to explain the observed facts through the “eyeglasses” of the Bible. The Bible is inspired, but our scientific models are not. If we subsequently find the model to be untenable, this would not shake our commitment to the absolute authority of Scripture.

The model uses the multiplication of dogs as an example of how animals could have quickly repopulated the earth. Two dogs came off Noah’s Ark and began breeding more dogs. Within a relatively short time period, there would be an incredible number of dogs of all sorts of different shapes and sizes.

These dogs then began to spread out from the Ararat region to all parts of the globe.
As these dogs spread around the world, variations within the dog kind led to many of the varieties we find today. But it is important to note that they are still dogs. This multiplication of variations within a kind is the same with the many other kinds of animals.

Paul F. Taylor, Answers in Genesis 43 Comments [7/10/2008 7:22:40 AM]
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Submitted By: Moondog

Quote# 42584

Is this pure fantasy or just evolution?

OK, an explosion happen (made of or where it came from is yet to be answered) Then the earth is formed, then a density of rock is created, then it starts raining for billions of years over the rocks. after that a soup is created, the soup TURNS (itself) alive.

Then we started evolving. There were reptiles turning to birds. However, at some time there had to be a bird with 1 leg and one wing. It could not possible fly or walk. How did it survive?

The fish came from the water and started changing into walking animals. There should have been a time the the lobe-finned fish had half fish, or a similar body structure. Oh, we still have lobe-finned fish today.

There is another connection between mammals and cows. They say mammals have an almost direct link with cow. Yes, mammals used to walk. However, we have yet to find a mammal with legs.

Hip bones were said to be useless in mammals by evolutionist also appendix in humans. They call them vestigial organs.

Is evolution pure fantasy?

geeks_gadgets, Yahoo! Answers 60 Comments [7/10/2008 1:19:58 PM]
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Quote# 42611

All news is good news when you know who produced it and controls it!!! God is good all the time, regardless of whats going on in this sordid pile of mud!!! Look at the news through the veil of Jesus,then you see the spiritual rainbow shining through it all!! After that all you can do is dance!! Hallelujah! Jesus is just doing that last look around the house before He leaves!! Keep looking up!!!!

AllForHim, RaptureReady 36 Comments [7/10/2008 1:52:09 PM]
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Quote# 42638

Will you join me in calling for regime change in the media and academia?
The two horns on the vile beast mentioned in the book
of Daniel: The media and the academic establishment.

They have been usurped by the Atheist mafia who seek
to indoctrinate us with their evil and baseless propaganda.

But only as long as we put up with it.

Isn't it time we liberated our universities and colleges from
the academic fascists who push a subtle Atheist agenda
and seek to divorce America from her divine mission?

Isn't it time to tear down their evil regime and bring
freedom and democracy back into the lecture room?
Should we not burn their wretched books and papers
and consign them to the oblivion of hell?

Isn't it time we marched on Universal Studios and
ousted the liberals and atheists from their ivory towers?

How long must America live under this Atheist oppression?

Only when we have defeated them can we be the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Pastor Winthrop III, Yahoo Answers 53 Comments [7/10/2008 2:04:23 PM]
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Submitted By: Rufus

Quote# 138567

(commenting on story "Concerns Raised over Video Featuring 10-Year old 'Desmond the Drag Kid': 'I Wanted to Do Drag...When I Was Two"):

Amos Moses:
the pedophilia is getting more organized ..... more overt .... more in your face every day ..... and it is all because of the HOMOMIRAGE decision ......... when you remove restraint on any depravity .... it releases ALL DEPRAVITY to forge ahead ..... and they are doing so with gusto ..... and there is no fear of God before their eyes .... and they have given up any knowledge of anything as a result ..... this is child abuse and it is grooming to be abused ..... these "parents" will have much to answer for .......

explain to me what a ten year old kid who’s into drag has to do with gay marriage.

Amos Moses:
so you are for encouraging people to be in violation of the law ......... hmmmmm ..... interesting ..........

hmm, lets try that again...explain to me what a ten year old kid whos into drag has to do with gay marriage

Amos Moses:
because of the HOMOMIRAGE decision ......... when you remove restraint on any depravity .... it releases ALL DEPRAVITY to forge ahead ........

two adults getting married causes a child to dress in drag, thats what your saying right? can you offer proof, sources, anything at all? something NOT pulled from your imagination? your seriously saying this is what same sex marriage caused? how did it happen? tell me specifically when john married andrew how it caused little johnny to decide to dress in drag. i am fascinated.

Amos Moses, Christian News Network 8 Comments [7/5/2018 3:39:36 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 138601

These fourteen points laid out in this statement are so incredibly basic. There is absolutely nothing controversial or sensational about it. These are fundamental biblical teachings that Christians in every part of the globe have held to for literally thousands of years. There is not one bible believing regenerated Christian who disagrees with these statements. They are not in anyway hateful or bigoted. The fact that there is so much backlash is evidence of just how far Christians have been swayed from Gods word. This statement is full of clear lines and redemption for sinners. For example adultery is a sin according to Gods word let's say in twenty years there is an enormous movement that declares not only is it not a sin but God himself affirms it, that doesn't change the fact that it is a sin it is destructive and contrary to what God wants for us. Furthermore if I had a brother who was cheating his wife I would tell him it's sinful not because I hate him but because I love him. True followers of Jesus don't hate sinners we love them enough to tell them the truth of what God clearly says no matter how unpopular that becomes and we will continue to do so. Let me say for all my Christian brothers and sisters we love homosexuals and denounce hatred of all sorts, give your heart to Jesus turn away from sin confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that Jesus Christ is Lord and you will be saved, and you will be changed forever in this life and the life to come God bless you and keep you.

(=Pro gay Christian reply deleted=)

Dear Chris, if you in fact believe that God created men and women to be homosexuals rather the heterosexuals, and if you've searched the scriptures prayerfully and find that God is indeed affirming same sex marriage that is your decision to make according to how you understand it further more I don't believe that factual evidence will be enough to change your mind and more importantly your heart I am not interested in convincing you otherwise. I leave that between you and God. I believe that you are actually fully aware of the truth of Gods word and I believe that your merely suppressing the truth because it doesn't coincide with the homosexual life style you've chosen to live in direct defiance and rebellion to God. I pray that the Holy Spirit will guide you in all truth according to Gods Holy Word. May he richly bless you and chasten you as a Father chastened his son he knows your deepest thoughts and feelings and he loves you and longs for a broken and contrite heart God bless you.

Armran Kaymackian, Religion News Service 4 Comments [7/6/2018 7:56:11 AM]
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Quote# 138578

Police Scotland confirmed an inquiry into the Children of God cult, which operated around the country in the 1980s and ’90s.

The inquiry can be revealed just weeks after Alexander Watt, the first British member of the cult to stand trial for child sex abuse, was convicted in Scotland.

In a harrowing interview, his daughter Verity Carter today breaks her silence to reveal her years of abuse in Children of God communities around Scotland.

The cult was founded in 1960s California by David Berg, whose teachings encouraged sexual relations between children and adults. He died in 1994 while on the run from the FBI.

Detective Chief Superintendent Lesley Boal yesterday confirmed an “ongoing investigation” into the Children of God.
My Hell on Earth
A sex cult survivor has spoken for the first time about the abuse she suffered while growing up in the notorious Children of God sect.

Verity Carter was repeatedly raped and abused, forced on to the streets to trick people into donating money and taught how to conceal her torment from social workers and teachers.

Verity, now a 38-year-old Edinburgh mum, said: “My earliest memories are from the age of four, being abused by my own father.

“He would touch me and kiss me in a way that made me feel so uncomfortable. I would cry and beg him not to.

“If I complained, I was told that I must have a demon inside me because sex was love, and love was what God wanted us to show each other.

“I was not even old enough to go to school at that point but there was far worse to come.”

Verity was brought up until the age of 15 in the Children of God, which was started by David Brandt Berg in California in 1968. By 1972, there were 130 communities scattered throughout the world, and in Scotland operated in Renfrewshire, Lanarkshire, Ayrshire and Edinburgh.

Hollywood actors Rose McGowan and Joaquin Phoenix were among those born into the cult. They have talked about their early childhood experiences in the sect which has since changed its name to The Family International.

Berg, who went on the run after the FBI launched an investigation into sex abuse, liked to be called Moses, or Mo, and preached a distorted Biblical rhetoric which, they claimed, justified their abuse of women and children.

Verity said: “My father, at least, did not rape me and would often even be ‘kind’ to me.

“The worst abuses, the rapes and numerous sexual assaults, came from others within the communes we were forced to live in around Scotland, right under the noses of the authorities.

“I can remember all their faces still, but the cult was very clever. Most did not use their real names, but the names they were given, usually Biblical.

“I was called Rejoice, although I had little to rejoice in.”


Her father Alexander Watt, 68, of Ayrshire, was sentenced at Paisley Sheriff Court last month after admitting four charges of sexually abusing Verity and another child. The father of 10 was given 240 hours of community work, ordered to attend a rehabilitation course and placed on the Sex Offenders Register.

Alexander Watt and unnamed Children of God adult members, The Sunday Post 8 Comments [7/5/2018 3:48:21 AM]
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Submitted By: JeanP

Quote# 42636

If (as is commonly accepted) the natural phenomenon of evolution had no end in mind when it created all living things, it is incredibly intelligent, but it forgot that they would go spinning into space without the law of gravity. So it was fortunate for us that gravity just happened to be around to stop that disaster.

Where did gravity then come from? If evolution had nothing to do with it, who or what created it? "Chance" or "accident" is too bigger leap of blind faith for me. The evolutionist's version of "just believe" isn't good enough. I want verifiable scientific facts.

Ray Comfort, The soap box--Comfort food 46 Comments [7/10/2008 7:40:56 PM]
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Quote# 129094

[Commenting under "The Church of England has called on the government to ban conversion therapy and has condemned the practice, which aims to change sexual orientation, as unethical and potentially harmful."]

So why would they want to purposefully change someone's sexual orientation? What the fuck is wrong with this piece of shit world?

Bullshit like makes me wish hard right lunatics like Hitler had won ww2.

Retards, such liberal nonsense will trigger wars far more disgusting than ww1 and ww2 combined. But maybe that is for the best.

you do realise that the persecution of gay people by the nazis was a thing, right? they were sent to concentration camps. your comment doesn't make much sense at all.

If today's retarded society continues to push such nonsense agendas like the "come and get transformed into homosexual, because it's the new liberal fad", the concentration camps will open up again. Do i need to draw a cute picture to help you understand this?

forgive_the_sinner, Reddit - r/WorldNews 18 Comments [7/10/2017 10:38:58 PM]
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Submitted By: JeanP

Quote# 42661

[Mirror, mirror...]

FSTDT cretins are too ignorant and immature to create, so they must copy the writings of others and make juvenile comments on them. Sister Hms did FC a large favor by booting the idiot's sorry arse out the door. No doubt the fool will brag about how we couldn't withstand the blazing wisdom of his brilliant posts and banned him to silence him.

Barely-postpubescent zit poppers like him live in a fantasy world where they are the heroes and heroines of the Web (the BB equivalents of Mary Sue and Gary Stu), oblivious to the fact that adults shake their heads and wonder what will happen when morons of that sort go out into the world.

What a pathetic lot.

DoctorDoom, FreeConservatives 87 Comments [7/10/2008 2:35:42 PM]
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Submitted By: Hub

Quote# 138602

Not all religions are equal. Broadly speaking:

a) Christianity is responsible for the pinnacle of human achievement.

b) Buddhists and agnostics can certainly be tolerated and worked with.

c) Some Atheists can be tolerated.

d) Some Atheists Should be rejected.

e) Pagans of various types may be tolerated or not, depending on their specific practices

f) Islam is incompatible with Christianity and we reject it as an evil and perverse ideology.

g) Jews who reject Jesus as the Messiah are generally to be viewed as the pagans, but given their historical precedent for behaviour that is harmful to the native Christian population, should be scrutinized, and in general peacefully encouraged to return to Israel.

Kurgan, Men of the West 7 Comments [7/6/2018 7:56:24 AM]
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Submitted By: Citizen Justin

Quote# 42603

I don't know how to phrase this but, wherever the muslim population grows, the more the crime rate goes up. It's a spiritual thing. The demons follow.

I have a friend who lives in the UK and he said London is getting more and more crime-ridden and it's swarming with muslims.

It is spiritual. Islam is satan's counterfeit religion and it's demonic. Bring in islam and TROUBLE WILL FOLLOW.

Daughter, Rapture Ready 29 Comments [7/10/2008 7:00:11 PM]
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Submitted By: KatAutumn

Quote# 42616

Hey, I read your page on atheism, and well, it was amazing. I'm a Muslim, so I believe in Christ and the Bible too, and that the CJM (Christians, Jews and Muslims) should unite in fighting our common enemy of the modern world: Atheism. Keep up the good work!

Khalid Aziz - Pakistan, The annointed one guest book 60 Comments [7/10/2008 2:12:58 PM]
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Submitted By: CASE

Quote# 42643

Its not about pride, its about not spitting in the face of God in a time when we need His blessings more than ever. In the 1960s, seperate but equal was anything but equal. Today, however, civil unions and marriage can be made completely equal while keeping God out of it.

Forget 2008. Lets go back to 1958, when we as a nation had morals, decency, and the highest respect for the nuclear family and we were still one nation under God. And remember those times - things were actually going good for America in that era. We must have been doing something right! What people today call "progress" isn't progress at all.

bchris02, city-data 65 Comments [7/10/2008 2:37:33 PM]
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Submitted By: WMUATimothy

Quote# 42618

I know the evidence; even if a human's DNA is 98% identical to an ape (or any other type of animal like that) it doesn't disprove the fact that God created everything. And considering that He did make everything and that He has all-power, why couldn't He make us identical to an ape while we still could be different from them? And what in the Bible HASN'T been recently proved as reliable?!

And I also agree with Goku and everyone else who has said that God could make the Earth look as old as He wanted to while it stays only 10,000 years old or a trillion years old?!

[..] But it all boils down to this:

Everything that exists was created by God. God IS a scientist, and He made things very complex and with purpose.

I don't remember the name (sorry) but remember the principle (not created by Christians or Creationists) that determined that nothing can exist without something else; this principle is just as solid as gravity and applies especially to Creation.

That means in a nutshell that you couldn't evolve because in order to do so you would have to lose the most vital parts of yourself (like parts of your DNA/RNA!) overtime in order to gain a new one, which is not possible because your body would simply stop functioning altogether.

Gideon, Flyleaffans.com 40 Comments [7/10/2008 7:51:44 PM]
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Quote# 138621

This is the real reason why the fat assed numales around Reddit hate incels so much

(Why do you think guys who look like this hate incels the most?
Because they know when they come for the incels,
It's gonna be hard to tell the difference.)

CreampiesforBlackVag, r/Braincels 3 Comments [7/6/2018 8:42:25 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 42708

It might be good to summarize things at this point:

1. Both Evolution (popular understanding) and the Biblical account that all humanity came from a single pair.
2. Many linguists believe in a “Mother Tongue Theory’ which is in agreement with the Biblical record.
3. Some characters in the Chinese language are linked to the biblical record in Genesis. The debate is over which characters are (and not whether they are or not.)
4. Many cultures in the world have the myth of a messiah with detailed similarities between myths.
5. Darwin would have never developed his theory if he had been a Buddhist.
6. The Theory of Evolution is “mutated” branch of Christianity.
7. The Theory of Evolution has been directly linked to some of the most evil political movements of the 20th century.
8. Hardly anyone reads Darwin’s books, whereas after thousands of years hundreds of millions of people still are reading the Bible despite centuries of fierce criticism by people like yourself.

no1nose, IIDB 34 Comments [7/10/2008 7:54:56 PM]
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Quote# 42625

"Women have been liberated right out of the genuine freedom they enjoyed for centuries to oversee the home, rear the children, and pursue personal creativity; they have been brainwashed to believe that the absence of a titled, payroll occupation enslaves a woman to failure, boredom, and imprisonment within the confines of home"

Dorothy Patterson, Evolved and Rational 41 Comments [7/10/2008 8:56:15 PM]
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Quote# 42593

Let's assume that an Atheist believes that God may exist with a probability of 0.000001,
His life worth 1 (It should be less as he may die young)

So His hereafter compared to his life is 1 : 0.000001 or the Ratio will be 1/0.000001= 1,000,000

His life worth 1 million times his here after

But his life is not constant, it is getting shorter by time
It should be represented as a variable ( Y)

Limit of 0.000001/Y as Y-->0 is Infinity

His hereafter will worth infinite times his life

QED :-)

What do you think?

Afadly, Why won't God heal amputees? 58 Comments [7/10/2008 9:33:19 PM]
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Submitted By: Larty

Quote# 42633

I find it hilarious the number of people on this INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD that consider themselves highly intellectual. For instance, they quote other people's theories like it's their own personal religion, and they throw Latin phrases around like they're going out of style (They are, by the way. Take note.)
I actually had someone on here tell me that evolution was the correct theory and that "a theory is something that is generally regarded as fact". Oh really? Because creationism and evolutionism are both THEORIES. Both Christian and evolutionist tools are warring on a stupid web site about something that only affects them after they die. (It actually affects Christians in the present, but we'll let the atheists think it's all "equal", because they all want equal rights for everyone anyway.) Live your life, believe what you want to, but I'm going to cover all bases by believing in Christianity. If I get up to heaven and Allah is up there waving a stick, well I better hope he's merciful or else I'm SOL. But I might as well believe in something just so I can cover all bases.
If there isn't a God (there is), then it doesn't really matter what I believe. The fact that atheists have no comprehension of an afterlife (and the fact that the absence of such doesn't disturb them) is proof that they waste the time they have on Earth by squandering it looking to prove evolution is real.
Get off your self righteous f ucking high horse and let people believe what they want to. People on this board point to the Crusades as horrible because "religion killed so many people", but so did Hitler. So did Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. So did Nero.
The point to all of this is, I see a lot of the same people proving/disproving (whatever you want to believe) their various theories, but really it doesn't do anyone any good to argue about such things. Christianity is more progressive than atheism because we don't want to/have to prove jack. We BELIEVE. That's all that is necessary. Meanwhile, everyone else comes up with pointless information. Well, have fun, because I'd rather sit in church than in front of a microscope with some 80 pound atheist that needs 300 SPF.

TheGreatAndPowerfulOz, IMDb: Philosophy and Religion 40 Comments [7/10/2008 9:39:41 PM]
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Submitted By: Nick B.

Quote# 42639


Let me get this straight. Full grown men who believe in evolution? What a complete joke!

I hope you get well soon!


Miguel, TalkOrigins 38 Comments [7/10/2008 9:55:06 PM]
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Submitted By: Tom S. Fox

Quote# 138600

Meh, I say do not meddle in other peoples culture/religion. What is right and what is wrong - are purely subjective things.

Generally, I agree. But a 15 year old girl being raped and abused, and then being whipped for it is not right in any form of society. Just try to imagine the horrific situation she is in.

That's the thing. Someone decided the morality norm of a society that everyone is supposed to follow. But why is everyone supposed to follow it? Sure, I understand that that girl pretty much experienced "hell", but in these kind of stories I really dislike those who try to force their beliefs and views on things towards other cultures, religions, people etc. Thinking that they are much better than the next person. But why? What makes them better? Only their subjective standing point. And since we ourselves decide what is good and what is bad - it's really impossible to say who is right and who is wrong. So I really see no point in judging, and especially trying to change people in such situations

Nerevar, MMO Champion 2 Comments [7/6/2018 7:56:08 AM]
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