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POSSIBLE TAINTED OR CURSED ITEMS:

Playing cards – The basic deck of playing cards (some have reported problems with these – especially when used for gambling,) Dark Pokemon cards, Digimon, Yugio, Magic: The Gathering, tarot cards.

Posters of stars: For example, Marilyn Monroe and other movie stars, rock bands, athletes, etc. (They can help form unholy soul ties to the person on the poster. The owner of the poster can start to suffer the same problems that the star suffered from, such as drugs, unhealthy relationships, broken marriages, etc.)

Board games and other forms of games: Mah-Jhonng, Jumanji, Dungeons and dragons games, (and other role or fantasy games,) Ouija boards, (that one is a HUGE problem item for believers to have!)

Video games: Some of the worst ones are – Doom, Dante’s Inferno, Shiu Megami Tensei: Nocturne, Tecmo’s Deception, Guitar Hero III, Deep Down, Devil May Cry series, The Ninja Kids, The Binding of Issac, Castlevania: Lord of Shadow, Diablo, Requeim: Avenging Angel, Rune Quest.

Books: Twilight series books and other vampire books, Harry Potter books, book of Mormon and their literature, satanic bible, Morals and Dogma book by Albert Pike, other Masonic or illuminati texts, books and tapes on any false Christian doctrines, Jehovah’s Witness literature, Taoist literature, literature from cults, any books that combine biblical Christianity with modern day psychiatry, magic books, new age occult books, witchcraft books, and the writings of C. S. Lewis.

Some secular music: Some popular music has words and symbols that are illuminati based. Others promote un-Christian morals or values, and some are even openly satanic. Watching or listening to this music can cause an open doorway for demons to attack. So make sure what you listen to is clean as well. Even better, listen to Christian music. (Make sure the Christian music is not in name only! Some Christian bands are not of Him and are working under cover for satan instead. Their lyrics and their album covers give clues to this.)

T.V. Shows, movies, and computer web pages: Mystic Knights & their action figures, Inuyasha, Avatar, the new TV show ‘Coven’, The Lion the witch and the wardrobe movie, The Passion of the Christ, I Am Legend, (that movie was a HUGE problem for our family! It literally filled our whole house with demons.) Carrie, Harry Potter films, Avatar, vampire movies, Lord of the Rings trilogy, The Blair Witch Project, (and other witch craft movies and TV shows,) The Evil Dead, The Exorcist, movies about the dead, demons, satan, or hell, Omen, Stephen King’s It, Fallen, Rosemary’s Baby, The Unborn, The Convent, The Rite, The Gate, The Ninth Gate, Paranormal Activity, Pumpkinhead, Case 39, Amityville Horror, Silent Hill, Sinister, Child’s Play, The Exorcism of Emily Rose, Splice, other horror movies, and any program or movie that positively features a false religion in it. Also be cautious where you go while surfing the web. The computer screen can become a portal for evil to go through, depending on what is being viewed. Our family has had problems with pictures of demons, aliens, false gods, reading false doctrine, and any of the symbols listed here. We have also had trouble with the face photos of certain criminals, as well as facial photos of those who practice Santeria. Often times as a believer, you can sense if what you are viewing is o.k. or not. You will have a sense of unease, irritability, dirt, disgust, or even out right fear after seeing what you are seeing. (When I view a web site with a picture of a demon or alien on it, I get a sudden shock of fear go right through my chest.) If this is sensed, stop, close the offending pictures, ask for forgiveness for looking upon it, and then cast out any demons that may have gone through the doorway, and then close the doorway in the name of Jesus. (For an example of this, see: https://dreamsofdunamis.wordpress.com/2013/07/07/a-demon-came-through-the-computer-screen/ )

Holiday items and holidays: Christmas items – including tree shaped candy bars, decorated Christmas trees, Valentine’s & hearts, cupid, Easter items, Easter egg candies, Halloween decorations, Halloween toys, Easter rabbits, elves, santa, and reindeer, etc.. These holidays are from the Mithra religion, (and other pagan religions,) and are not from biblical Christianity.

New Age items or teachings: serpent coils, drums, rainbows, bells, some angel statues, sundials, gazing globes, (now often seen in lawn ornaments,) unicorns, crystals purchased from new age stores, birthstone jewelry, new age visualization items, witchcraft items, palmistry, tea leaf readings, yoga, astrology items, homeopathy, bach flower remedies, orgone boxes, good luck charms, horoscopes, Carl Jung’s analysis and writings, hypnosis, emptying the mind meditation, acupuncture, rabbits foot.

Toys: He-man, She-ra, Smurfs, care bears, cabbage patch dolls, the joker character from Batman, teenage mutant ninja turtles, dolls – especially cabbage patch dolls, troll dolls, some Barbie dolls, Brat dolls, toy voodoo dolls, and puppets, big bird from the Sesame Street program (other characters may be good to avoid from that show as well,) teletubbies, gremlins, rainbow brite, sprites, elves, punk rock dolls, go bots.

Items and symbols from Eastern religions: Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism, Taoism, Shintoism, Confucianism, east Asian Buddhism, African traditional religions, voodoo, dragons, spiritism, mediums or channeling spirits, shiatsu, mind control – Silva or other, Anything Buddhist – especially their statues, pictures, or Incense, (often made in the Buddhist temples by their priests,) Yin & yang – tai chi symbols, foo dogs, Guan Yin statues, African statues, katchina dolls, Taoism art, mala beads, I Ching, Kung fu, Tai Chi Chuan, Hsing I, Pa Kua, Aikido, eastern meditation systems, religious items given to you by a guru, tikkis, African jujus, Chais, incense made from the Hare Krishna cult dedicated to Hindu gods, Mughal prayer rugs, Vishnu, Shiva, Rama and etc., karma items or literature, reincarnation, ascended masters, avatars, mandalas.

Items and symbols from Western religions: wiccan, paganism, druidry, church of satan, anything Islamic, Baha’i faith, Unitarian Universalism, Humanism, (we have found some darwinism texts to be problematic,) Jehovah’s witnesses, Christian Science, Judaism – anything the pharacees added to the religion outside the bible, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (LDS), Scientology, Indian art, Native American art work, dream catchers, Native American carved walking sticks, Obeah canes, totem poles or other carved wood art, Hawaiian gods or goddesses, Catholic statuaries such as crucifixes (that show Tammuz dying,) and statues of Mary, (who is actually Mithra’s Semeramis, the queen of heaven,) Catholic prayer cards given out at funerals to remember the dead, pictures of Catholic saints, rosaries – even the links and pieces of rosaries, Catholic missals, Catholic bibles, Catholic hymnals, Catholic prayer books, Marian apparition memorabilia, hex sign (or also called the Pennsylvania Dutch sign,) Italian horn jewelry, SS runes, skull and crossbones, winged horse, pentagrams, (inverted or upright,) hexagrams, hexagram in a circle, statue of liberty memorabilia, the Louvre memorabilia, pyramids, Ankh, Mexican sun art, moon art, flamingos, alligators, leviathan, goats head, family altar for worship of dead ancestors, anything given to you by a witch, witches masks, protectors from the evil eye, Kabala items, 9 candled menorahs, hand of Fatima, Easter Island statues, shaman items, any Greek or Roman gods, fairies, totem poles.

Symbols on items that can make the item cursed: Marijuana leafs, disguised 666, (this looks almost Celtic in nature. It is the logo of the New King James Bible.) 666 or FFF, the V sign made with the hands, the V sign but with the two fingers held together, the horns sign – made with the pinky and index finger held up, with the rest of the fingers held down to the palm. The capitol letter A in a circle with the middle bar extended to the sides of the circle, inverted cross, the labrys ax, (double sided curved blades,) pontifical cross of Lucifer, peace sign or witches foot, swastika, unicursive hexagram, paisley designs, horseshoes, charms, wishbones, four leaf clovers, the evil eye or one eyed symbols, Jewish Hamsa hand, zodiac signs, some tulip art work, six petal rosettes, twelve petal rosettes, Rosicrucian items, eight pointed star, goose with blue ribbon around its neck, square and compass, symbols or icons from false religions and secret societies, (or logos from other items listed on this page.) As a side note, be also aware that not all pictures of Jesus are of Him. (In the ancient ruins of Greece and Rome, many carvings that are thought to be of Jesus, are actually of the god Mithra.) Again, some are manipulated and used by satan to gain entrance into your heart and home. (http://www.demonbuster.com/idols.html – Demonic jesus face from promise keepers meeting)

Drugs: Hard liquor, (they don’t call it ‘spirits’ for nothing!,) marijuana, heroin, cocaine, peyote, other illegal drugs, some prescription drugs such as pain killers and drugs taken for depression or mood disorders, or any other man made poison. (Again, check with God. For us we found that some antibiotics such as cephalexin and narcotic pain killers such as codeine were cursed and giving us problems.)

Secret society items: Illuminati items and symbols, Masonic items, Shriner items, De Molay items, Eastern Star items, Elk lodge items, IOOF items, (odd fellows,) Job’s Daughter’s items, Klu Klux Klan items, square and compass, Eastern Star items, rainbow girls items, Illuminati items, Job’s Daughters items, all-seeing third eye, lambskin apron – actual apron or symbol, owls.

False teaching items: Scientology, life stream, Napoleon Hill’s teachings, Robert Schuller’s teachings, Roy Master’s teachings, Rick Warren’s teachings, any teachings that combine God’s Word with pop psychology. (http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/ is a good place to check for current new age false teaching authors.)

Other items: Candles – especially colored ones. Emergency candles and tea lights we have seen less oppression from. (This was a hard one for me to give up, for I love my candles! But it did stop the demons from attacking my kids whenever they were lit. Olive oil candles are a good substitute.) Frogs, Nike label, bells, items autographed by someone famous, Fleur–de–Lis, the distelfink goldfinch bird, cornucopias, caduceus the winged wand of mercury (doctor’s symbol,) magic 8 ball, Sara Coventry jewelry (which started out as ‘Sara’s coven jewelry’,) and her eye glass frames or other items, Pythagorean items, fez hats, mardi gras items, aliens, some UFO photos, masks – especially ones used in rituals or ceremonies, Alienware computers – the ones with the face of an alien lit up on its cover, (covering up the alien face made the demons stop coming out,) hard or soft pornography, and sometimes even an item of clothing you used to wear before you became a believer.

Dreams of Dunamis, Dreams of Dunamis 77 Comments [7/4/2015 5:18:07 AM]
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For older kids, this might be ok. But for our 4 year old we saw some episodes we did not feel comfortable having our child watch. Arthur (the program) tends to occasionally get on a soapbox on current issues. One episode I saw made those not in favor of "Harry Potter" type books look like fools: as if we were back in the day of book burnings and witch hunting. As one who firmly believes Potter's teachings are not in line with Scriptural principles, it comes as a slap in the face. I don't want my child being

Tim, christiananswers.net 22 Comments [3/22/2017 12:35:33 AM]
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Narnia verses Harry Potter

A while back, I encountered a question on Yahoo Answers where someone inquired as to why some people have a negative attitude toward the magic displayed in Harry Potter but seem to have no problem with the magic displayed in the Chronicles of Narnia. I decided to submit an answer for this question, but as it happened, my answer turned into more of an essay, and the topic was closed before I submitted it. However, for those of you who have wondered the same thing, I decided to post it here with some minor modifications. Just my two cents, but I think there’s some food for thought.

To begin, despite some claims from other posters on Yahoo Answers, C.S. Lewis was a Christian and the similarities between Narnia and items in the Bible was intentional. They are not strictly allegory, where one thing in Narnia equals something else in the Bible. They are called “supposals.” The basic idea was that Lewis wondered what would happen if God had created another world and chose to die and rise again to save that world as He did ours. Note that the magic in the Chronicles is almost always coming directly from Aslan if it portrayed as good (There are a few exceptions to this), so it could be considered a metaphor for the miracles of God. The witch and her magic are depicted as evil.

On to Harry Potter. These books are very well written and J.K Rowling’s style is fun and witty. They are definitely entertaining books...but I do have some difficulty with them, and only part of it has to do with the magic they contain. The difficulty is actually threefold:

1. The Magic:
The difficulty with the magical elements in the Harry Potter books is that the magic is being portrayed as being a skill that can be learned by children in our world, if they possess the predisposition for it (Yes, I know this statement is vastly simplified). In the Chronicles, the children almost never practice magic themselves, and once when Lucy tries to, in Voyage of the Dawn Treader, she ends up probably destroying one of her friendships. Humans aren’t meant to practice magic.

2. The Violence:
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone (or Philosopher’s Stone, in England) started out mildly enough. The final confrontation is a bit eerie, but nothing too horribly violent, though we do have an instance of a human being possessed by a malevolent spirit (but that fits more into category #1). By Book Two, Chamber of Secrets, we have a young girl (also possessed) killing chickens (not to eat), and quite a bloody confrontation in the climactic scene. Skip on to Book Four, Goblet of Fire, and any semblance of these being child-appropriate books seems to be lost. We have a teacher casting illegal spells, including murder and torture (albeit on a spider) in a classroom, apparently with the benevolent headmaster’s consent. We have the murders of several characters, one another student from the school; Harry’s blood being taken for a foul piece of magic (which, at least, is depicted as being evil in the scene); a servant cutting off his hand as part of the same piece of sorcery...the violence in this book keeps getting worse...and books Five and Six don’t ease up on it much (In Six Harry accidentally casts a spell that essentially has the same effect as repeatedly stabbing another student). At the time of this article, Book Seven has yet to be released. Is there violence in the Narnia books? Yes, but you will notice it is tempered. Possibly the most terrifying scene in the series is the sacrifice of Aslan, but you will note that the girls look away at the moment the witch actually kills him.

3. The Morality:
Quite apart from magic or violence in either story, is the morality that is being taught in either series. I have heard the Harry Potter series heralded as books with incredibly strong morals, but a quick examination of the books reveals this statement to be patently false. Harry consistently lies, to his teachers, to his friends, to Dumbledore the headmaster. He and his friends steal potions ingredients from Professor Snape (But who cares? We don’t like Snape, so it’s ok, right?). In fact, he’s rewarded for the first rule he breaks. When the entire class is told they will be expelled if they try to fly on their broomsticks without a teacher present, Harry takes off on his broom after Draco Malfoy, who has stolen something from a friend (But hey, it’s ok for a kid to risk life and limb for a noble cause, yes?). Not only is he not expelled, he’s REWARDED, given a prestigious place on one of the school sports teams.

Not convinced? Well, how about Professor Lupin, who neglects to mention to the headmaster that a convicted murderer is quite possibly sneaking into the school disguised as a dog? Why doesn’t Lupin say anything? Because it would be EMBARRASSING to him, and lose him some of the headmaster’s trust (which he doesn’t actually deserve because he’s been lying to the man for years anyway). But hey, it’s only Harry’s life and the lives of other students that’s at stake, and the convict has only gotten into the school twice already...so no big deal.

So what’s the difference? Don’t kids in the Narnia books get up to mischief, too? Of course they do. Digory, one of the children, does something incredibly foolish, awakens an evil witch, and brings her into Narnia with him, ruining the newly creating world before it’s a day old. But there are consequences. He has to face Aslan and explain exactly what happened. He’s required to complete a task to help mend the damage. When Edmund sides with the White Witch against his family, he’s almost killed for it (They left that bit out of the movie, but the concept was there.), and Aslan has to die in his place. The kids in Narnia make mistakes, but there are always consequences, consequences which are frequently and curiously lacking in the Harry Potter stories.

When I have kids, I want them to know that God is the only acceptable source of supernatural power in this world. I don’t want to expose them to violent scenes before they’re old enough to deal with them. And I want them to know that there are consequences to the choices they make.

AmbassadorHerald, Deviantart 14 Comments [4/21/2017 11:22:56 AM]
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From Kyle: I have read Harry Potter. I admit, the characters are witches and wizards, but in no way do I believe Harry Potter is to blame for anything. As one person said, get over it. Just because it has the word witch in there means nothing. It doesn't mention Satan even once. It is a classic battle of good and evil and primarily a fun adventure. It sparks and fuels the imagination in children, and gets them to read. What little child, before this, would read a 730-page book? Not one child would. Now, though, JKR has gotten children interested.


I am a Christian. I believe that anyone who says HP leads children to Satanism is ridiculous, or just hasn't read the books. They celebrate Christmas and Easter. I will tell you why parents who believes HP is Satanic believe this. They are looking for a scapegoat, something to blame their horrible parenting skills on, or their plain apathy to the rearing of their children.
Berit Kjos: Are you a parent, Kyle? Do you really know the struggle many parents face when public schools train their children -- partly by immersing them in "values clarification" and multicultural experiences -- to reject home-taught values and determine their own values? Remember, many teenagers choose to follow their own favorite religious thrills while they tune out any counsel parents might offer.

Everyone today that claims to be a Christian blames everything on music, movies, TV, video games, and now books.

Berit Kjos: Might you be exaggerating a bit, Kyle? You call yourself a Christian. But so far I only hear you blame parents -- the embattled targets of increasing media, movie and classroom ridicule.

Kyle: One of the most important, basic foundations of human civilization. The problem is that parents are doing their jobs. If they impressed upon their children that Harry Potter isn't real and that it is just "make-believe" before they let them read it, there would be a lot less of these so-called problems. If parents would take the time to impress upon their children their own values, maybe their children would choose not to read the books, or maybe they would choose not to watch that movie or TV program or listen to that song. And if they are having trouble impressing these values enough that the kids can make the right choices, it is the parent's job to screen what their child sees or hears. However, it is also important to let a child know what he or she is being screened from so that they understand why it is wrong.


Anyone who thinks Harry Potter is evil is ignorant, in my opinion. They are too stubborn to admit they are wrong or too conservative to open their minds to other things. NOT TO ACCEPT OR FOLLOW THESE THINGS NECESSARILY, BUT TO AT LEAST BE INFORMED SO THAT THEY CAN UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE FEEL THE WAY THEY DO. I believe that the people who advocate this site are sorely misinformed or they completely misinterpret J.K. Rowling.]

Berit Kjos: Here is an Old Testament Scripture that we, as Christian, would do well to take to heart today. Remember, Kyle, our God hasn't changed. Nor has human nature. Christians who ignore God's Word will be as deceived as ancient Israel when they rebelled against God and sought thrills from occult forces:

"Woe to those who call evil good and good evil....
Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight."
Isaiah 5:20-21

Kyle and Berit Kjos, CrossRoad.to 12 Comments [7/12/2017 8:50:24 PM]
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Delightfully gruesome images and scary creatures become part of their memory, for the author, Joanne K. Rowling, knows how to make her characters come alive in a reader’s mind. "Oh, but it’s just fantasy," you may argue. "We were raised on scary tales. It can’t hurt."

Actually it’s not that simple. The stories and the times have changed, making the new generation of children far more vulnerable to deception than we were. Consider some of the changes:

1. Different times and culture. Unlike most children today, their parents and grandparents were raised in a culture that was, at least outwardly, based on Biblical values. Whether they were Christian or not, they usually accepted traditional moral and spiritual boundaries. Even the old fairy tales I heard as a child in Norway tended to reinforce this Christian worldview or paradigm. The good hero would win over evil forces without using "good" magic to overcome evil magic. Social activities didn’t include Ouija Boards, Seances, and an assortment of popular occult role-playing games. Nor did friends, schools or Girl Scouts tempt children to alter their consciousness and invoke the presence of an "animal spirit" or "wise person." Occult experimentation was not an option.

Today it is an option. Children now learn their values and world view from a variety of sources. The entertainment industry is one of the most persuasive agents of cultural awareness, and it usually teaches global and occult values, since that’s what their global market buys. In fact, children have become so familiar with profanity, occultism, and explicit sex, that they barely notice – just as in Old Testament days: "They hold fast to deceit, they refuse to return. . . . No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush." (Jeremiah 8:5,12)

In this context, the occult images evoked through traditional fantasies threaten a child's faith far more today than they did three decades ago. Reinforced throughout our culture, the old beloved books such as the Hobbit can stir curiosities and cravings that can easily be satisfied by darker, real-world attractions.


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2. Different type of fantasy. Books, movies, games, and television all involve the imagination, and the specific fantasy directs the child's imagination. In other words, the imaginary scenes and images in books and movies are not neutral. As with guided imagery, the child's feelings and responses are manipulated by the author's view and values. For example, the stories and books children read in the classroom are usually selected or approved by each state because their message teaches the new global values, and because they provide useful discussion topics for the manipulative consensus process. "Good stories capture the heart, mind, and imagination and are an important way to transmit values," writes Louise Derman-Sparks in the influential Anti-Bias Curriculum: Tools for Empowering Young Children, which is full of classsroom strategies for eroding traditional boundaries and teaching the new spirituality.

Books such as the Harry Potters series fit, because they reinforce the global and occult perspective. Page after exciting page brings the reader into the timeless battle between good and evil, then trains them to see the opposing forces from a pagan, not a Biblical perspective. In this mystical realm, "good" occult spirits are naturally pitted against bad occult spirits, just as in pagan cultures where frightened victims would offer sacrifices to "benevolent" spirits who could help ward off evil curses and other threats. Few readers realize that from the Biblical perspective, all occult forces are dangerous. But today, it seems more tolerant and exciting to believe this illusion than to oppose the lies. The words of Old Testament prophet Isaiah ring as true now as they did over 2000 years ago: "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil…." (Isaiah 5:20)

3. Different purpose. Children don’t read Harry Potter merely to reach the conclusion and resolve the suspense. Many read the books over and over because they delight in identifying with the "good" wizards in this newly discovered world -- and sometimes even with the obviously evil wizards. They build memories based on felt experiences in an occult virtual reality, and they are desensitized to the danger. The talent and knowledge of the author makes this seductive world all the more believable. Just ponder these diverse bits of wizard philosophy:

* Professor Snape who taught Potions: "I don’t expect you will really understand the beauty of the softly simmering cauldron with its shimmering fumes, the delicate power of liquids that creep through human veins, bewitching the mind, ensnaring the senses…." 1

* Two centaur’s views on astrology - "We have sworn not to set ourselves against the heaven. Have we not read what is to come in the movements of the planets?" …."Or have the planets not let you in on that secret?" 2

* "He is with me wherever I go," said Quirrell, referring to the murderous wizard Voldemort. "I met him when I traveled around the world. A foolish young man I was then, full of ridiculous ideas about good and evil. Lord Voldemort showed me how wrong I was. There is no good and evil , there is only power, and those too weak to seek it.... Since then, I have served him faithfully." 3

* Headmaster Dumbledore: "To the well organized mind, death is but the next great adventure." 4

* Hagrid, the grounds-keeper at Hogwarts, telling Harry about the strange power that saved his life, "Happened when a powerful, evil curse touches you – didn’t work on you, and that’s why yer famous, Harry. No one ever lived after he [Voldemort] decided ter kill ‘em, no one except you…" 5 [Harry seems almost Christ-like, doesn't he, with his wound or mark, his psychic powers, and his victory over death and Voldemort?]

Once introduced to spiritism, astrology, palmistry, shape-shifting, time-travel (the third book) and the latest version of popular occultism, many crave more. They can easily find it. In their neighborhoods and schools, our children are surrounded by peers who are fascinated by occult empowerment and would love to share their fun discoveries. Few children have the Biblical knowledge or discernment needed to evaluate good and evil or to resist such threats to their faith.

4. Different kind of classroom. It’s not surprising that Harry has suddenly soared to the peaks of popularity in schools across the country. His story fits right into the international program for multicultural education. The envisioned global community calls for a common set of values which excludes traditional beliefs as intolerant and narrow – just as the Harry Potter books show. The Biblical God simply doesn’t fit into his world of wizards, witches, and other gods.

Feminist writer Naomi Goldenberg knows that well. In her book, Changing of the Gods, she predicts that "God is going to change…. We, women are going to bring an end to God. We will change the world so much that He won’t fit in anymore." She and other radical feminists must appreciate Ms Rowling’s part in this process.

Of course, God will never change. But people, beliefs, and cultures do. And some changes, such as today’s cultural shift away from loving God to hating His truths, have occurred a multitude of times. The words Jesus spoke to His followers long ago now fit our times: "If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you. . . . because they do not know Him who sent Me." (John 15:20-21)

5. A different education system. UNESCO’s "lifelong learning," now being implemented through Goals 2000, takes education far beyond the boundaries of the classroom. Its goal is socialization and preparation for a global workforce. Everyone - in homes, schools, and workplace – must be mentally prepared to participate in the consensus process. In the name of "unity" and "community," people of all ages must help form new values, challenge contrary beliefs, report non-compliant friends and relatives, and oppose all other obstacles to compromise, "common ground" and "mental health."

There are many ways to persuade the masses to reject uncompromising Christianity and embrace a changeable blend of all kinds of religions – including a cross-less and universalist perversion of Christianity. Schools do it through books such as the Harry Potter series, through multicultural and environmental education, and by integrating social issues and politically correct ideology into more mundane subjects such as math and science. The media does it by selective reporting, redefining words like "fundamental," vilifying labels such as extremist, religious right and homeschoolers, and by equating such groups with narrow-minded bigotry and hate.

Harry Potter’s author does it by creating a captivating world where strength, wisdom, love, hope – all the good gifts God promises those who follow Him – are now offered to those who pursue occult thrills. Likewise, her main characters demonstrate all the admirable traits our God commends: kindness, courage, loyalty, etc. But the most conspicuous muggles (ordinary people who are blind to these mystical forces) are pictured as mean, cruel, narrow and self-indulgent. These subtle messages, hidden behind exciting stories, turn Truth upside-down. But fascinated readers rarely notice the deception. This power-filled realm with its charms and spells soon becomes normal as well as addictive to those who immerse their minds with its seductive images.

The Harry Potter books, first introduced in England, are unlikely to fade from public consciousness in the near future. Scholastic, a major provider of popular books for classroom use, bought the rights to publish the books in the United States. Devoted readers who can't wait for the sequel to be distributed in the U.S. are purchasing it on the Internet from Amazon.com's British division [see reviews]. The series has already caused great consternation among those who fear the seven books will eventually crowd out adult fiction on the coveted New York Times best-sellers list. This concern will surely grow, since Warner Brothers (owned by Time Warner) bought rights to the live-action movie.

It's not too soon to prepare your child for the increasing peer pressure to conform to the new social standards.

Berit Kjos, CrossRoad.to 18 Comments [7/13/2017 12:03:44 PM]
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"Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts." (Rev. 9:21) "And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived." (Rev. 18:23)

The above scripture comes from the book of Revelation, the final book of God's word, which deals with the end-time. One might expect murder, fornication, and theft to be widespread sins in the last days because we see a continual increase of these sins with every passing year. But notice that a fourth sin is mentioned as well: sorcery. According to God's word, we can expect to see an increase in sorcery as the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ draws near.

According to Webster, the word "sorcery" means "magic; enchantment; witchcraft; divination by the assistance or the supposed assistance of evil spirits, or the power of commanding evil spirits."

One does not have to look very far to see that God's word is being fulfilled before our very eyes. Along with numerous other Biblical signs that our Lord's return is near, we are also witnessing a tremendous increase in occultism. Much of this is obviously due to the way many books, movies, and television programs are glamorizing such evil practices as witchcraft and wizardry. God's word clearly condemns all such practices, yet millions of people, especially young people, are being led to believe that it is possible to be a good witch or a good wizard. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Satan is playing a very nasty trick on our children. Books such as the Harry Potter series are presenting two kinds of witches and wizards: evil ones and good ones. The books and movies offer a "built-in" contrast so that no one looks elsewhere for a contrast. That is, the "good" witches look very good compared to the "evil" witches. The psychological effect is that the mind of the reader or viewer becomes satisfied with the "fair balance" and sees no reason to look outside the movie or book for more accurate information. Consequently, millions of people will read a Harry Potter book and never read the Bible to see what God says about witches and wizards. For example, after watching the movie Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, one young girl said, "Yes, there is witchcraft, but it is mostly goodwitchcraft." Good witchcraft? Who said it was good witchcraft? God certainly didn't give anyone this impression, so it must have came from the movie or the books. Sadly, this young girl has only been given one side of the story: the Hollywood side.

While expecting everyone to be open-minded and allow their children to be influenced by occultism, the promoters of this wickedness have maintained a very closed mind by never telling anyone what God's word says about witchcraft and wizardry. After reading this tract, you will know God's side. Hopefully, you will be smart enough to realize that you've been deceived by filthy rich producers and publishers. They've fed you a massive lie, and you've paid them for it. The money they received from you will help empower them to sell their lies to others in the form of more books and movies.

The Bible is quite clear: there are no good witches or wizards:

"There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee. Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God. For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the LORD thy God hath not suffered thee so to do." (Deuteronomy 18:10-14)

Now, think about that, friend. Either God lied to you in the Bible, or Satan is lying to you in the books and movies. God said that Sabrina the Teenage Witch is an abomination. God said that Harry Potter and his friends are an abomination. Do you have the courage to believe God?

"Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times . . . Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God." (Lev. 19:26, 31) "And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people . . . A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them." (Lev. 20:6, 27)

Have you seen any good witches or good wizards in those passages? Let's try again:

"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (Gal. 5:19-21)

Have you seen any good witches yet? Well, let's keep trying:

"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." (Exo. 22:18)

Notice that God doesn't make any distinction between good witches and evil witches. Every witch, every wizard, and every sorcerer in the Bible is evil in the sight of God! Notice Acts 13:8-10:

"But Elymas the sorcerer (for so is his name by interpretation) withstood them, seeking to turn away the deputy from the faith. Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him, and said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?"

Witches, wizards, and sorcerers are children of Satan. They may look cute and make you laugh and cry, but God said they are an abomination to Him. Furthermore, rather than seek entertainment from these evil characters, we have been commanded to separate ourselves from them and expose them for the workers of iniquity that they really are. Please note Ephesians 5:11: " And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them." No fellowship! It's a sin to read their books or watch their movies. In the Bible, God's people hated witchcraft so much that they burnedbooks containing this evil (Acts 19:18-20), yet today we have people entertaining themselves with it. David said, "I will set no wicked thing before mine eyes: I hate the work of them that turn aside; it shall not cleave to me." (Psa. 101:3) Friend, don't comfort yourself with the idea that it's okay to look at witchcraft as long as you don't practice it. No wicked thing should be set before your eyes, and no wicked thought should enter your heart (Mat. 5:28; II Cor. 10:5). God is holy, and He will hold all men accountable to His holy infallible words.

If you have been deceived by the devil's crowd, why not turn from this deception right now and ask God's forgiveness? Witchcraft is a great sin in the sight of God, any type of witchcraft, but no sin is too great for God's forgiveness.

God sent His only begotten Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, to pay for all your sins: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16) Jesus came, He died, and then He rose again for your justification. Today, Jesus Christ sits at the right hand of God in Heaven waiting for you to turn to Him and trust Him as Lord and Saviour.

The Bible declares that you are a sinner by birth, but you may be a saint by having a new birth: "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." (Rom. 3:23) "Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me." (Psa. 51:5) "Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again." (John 3:7) "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever." (I Pet. 1:23)

God wants to forgive you for all your sins and make you a new creature in Christ! II Corinthians 5:17 says, "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." Friend, the excitement of reading a book or watching a movie about witchcraft is nothing compared to the excitement and joy of having all your sins forgiven by God Almighty! There is no greater power than the power of God, so why waste your time with the lesser powers of witchcraft and wizardry? There are millions of true Christians who have left the dark world of occultism and entered the lighted path of righteousness, and you can be next.

God's word says in Romans 10:9-10, "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." Romans 10:13 says, "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."

Friend, what has the major film producers and book publishers done to save your soul from a burning Hell? They've done nothing but bring you closer to Hell! If you died and went to Hell today, the occult producers and publishers wouldn't shed a tear for you. They would go right on damning more people just like you. However, if you turn to Jesus Christ today and trust Him as your Saviour, the angels of Heaven will rejoice! "Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth." (Luke 15:10)

Who will be your Lord? Will it be Jesus Christ or Satan? Why not bow your head right now and ask God's forgiveness for all your sins? You have His promise of forgiveness, so why not do it? Become a child of God today and begin living for God. After all, tomorrow may be too late.

James Melton, Bible Believers  12 Comments [7/29/2017 12:20:11 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 130160

I’ve never seen such unreasonable and wicked men continually plotting evil. From riots and protests on the streets to images of our president being beheaded or shot, never have I seen such anger, hate, defiance, disrespect and blatant dishonor for the highest office in the land and for all that is moral, decent and good.

Bert Farias, Charisma News 20 Comments [8/5/2017 12:34:31 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 130171

Of course you insult the religious. They are unbelievably gullible and somewhat slow mentally. They must be. They are the type of people who learn about religion and reality from television.

primus108, Disqus  4 Comments [8/6/2017 8:03:37 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 130176

Lady Checkmate's headline: "Atheist's Lies: "Humans came from galaxies, far, far away."

Notice the words in bold in the excerpt below: "suggests" and "implies". Neither of the two are definitive, they are both the opinions and best guesses of fallible man. Why is that? Because man CANNOT tell us how the world was formed nor where humans came from without the use of God's holy scripture.

Next, notice the italicized words. Limited man, aware of the fact that they have no idea where humans came from (apart from God's holy scripture) had to use a computer (one they describe as super, lol) to guess where humans came from. Please note that men build computers, so computers are limited to the limited/fallible knowledge of fallen man.

What does that all mean? Put your hope in God and His word, not in the fallible limited opinion of fallen men who will all bow before Jesus Christ and declare Him Lord of all.

Man's best guess:

Humans are at least partly made from matter that created when suns exploded in distant galaxies, scientists say.

New research suggests that half the matter in the Milky Way — our home galaxy — comes from other galaxies throughout the universe.

As reported in Engadget, scientists from Northwestern University, University of California San Diego, California Institute of Technology, University of California Berkeley and the University of Toronto used a supercomputer to determine how galaxies are formed and the origins of the matter that would contribute to their growth.

"What this new mode implies is..."


This is where humans came from:
Genesis 1:26-28

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

P.S. After the rapture, those same non-scholars (whose wisdom is as foolishness to God) will declare that believers were taken by aliens...I would lol, but it's not funny when one considers how many people the enemy seeks to deceive with that lie. Pray, watch and wait.

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2017/07/27/humans-came-from-galaxies-far-far-away-scientists-say.html

Don't forget to RECOMMEND. Lets get the Truth out so that Light may shine bright in this dark place and Jesus Christ may be glorified.Even if the discussion is closed, please still RECOMMEND.

Lady Checkmate, Disqus - Faith & Religion 19 Comments [8/6/2017 8:04:32 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 130127

A Baptist pastor who has been charged for child rape in multiple states is back in jail in Arkansas.

The Boone County Arkansas Sheriff’s Office booked Pastor Larry Berkley on charges of failure to appear, the latest in a three year legal battle against the former pastor of Shiloh Baptist Church in Harrison, AR.

“A Harrison Police daily log of activity shows Boone County authorities contacted the HPD about 9:30 p.m. Wednesday for warrant confirmation on Berkley, 38, for sexual solicitation, four counts of first-degree sexual assault, seven counts of second-degree sexual assault, six counts of knowingly furnishing alcohol to a minor, four counts of contributing to the delinquency of a minor and two counts of loaning pornography to minors,” the Harrison Daily reports.

Berkley is accused of furnishing drugs and alcohol to teenage boys that he sexually assaulted.

After posting bond in Arkansas, Pastor Berkley was indicted by a Lauderdale County, Tennessee grand jury on two counts of rape, four counts of aggravated statutory rape, sexual battery by an authority figure and statutory rape by an authority figure. The charges date to the time Berkley worked as a pastor at Victory Baptist Church in Henning, Tennessee.

As Raw Story noted in 2014, church officials in Tennessee declined to say why Berkley had been ousted as Pastor.

“One of the victims told police Berkley had taken him to the funeral home where he worked part time and showed him a dead body,” the Harrison Daily reported. “The victim said Berkley had stored marijuana in a very expensive casket he didn’t think people could afford to buy.”

Larry Berkley, Raw Story 7 Comments [8/5/2017 5:20:24 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 130112

Lady Checkmate's headline: "Atheist Lies: "Public Prayer is Offensive"

...and yet they NEVER speak against Muslims praying, several times a day, all over the place (work, school, public squares, etc.). Have you noticed that it is only Christians praying that offends them?

This one is more of a double standard that shows the hypocrisy of the alt-left. Many on the alt-left defend Muslims, the same Muslims who call for them to be beheaded, thrown from rooftops and stoned after falling to the ground, basically, defending those who want to murder them. And these same individuals persecute, hate and accuse Christians of hating them for disagreeing with them and sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Where is the logic in that scenario?

Surely it can be simplified into one verse (several actually). They actually defend that which is ungodly and persecute that that is of God. That have chosen darkness over light.





Lady Checkmate, Disqus - Faith & Religion 15 Comments [8/5/2017 12:29:40 PM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 112005


Atheism is inherently evil.


[Why?]

It promotes non-conformity, incest, bestiality and paedophilia, amongst other things.

United States of White America, nationstates 40 Comments [8/19/2015 3:23:41 AM]
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Submitted By: zyr

Quote# 130167



[Transcript in the comment section by pyro]

M?M?TIC WARFAR?, Twitter 19 Comments [8/6/2017 12:53:08 AM]
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Submitted By: The Reptilian Jew

Quote# 130126

From an article about boys molested by priests on Guam

In the 1970s, Apuron molested Roy Taitague Quintanilla, then 12, and raped Walter Denton, then 13, according to Quintanilla's and Denton's respective lawsuits. Both Quintanilla and Denton said they spoke, separately, with priest Jack Niland, about the alleged abuse. In a 2015 letter to the Vatican, Denton said that after he and another former altar boy told Niland that Apuron raped them, Niland told them, "Well, boys, priesthood is a very lonely life." Niland, now deceased, was accused of child molestation in a separate lawsuit.

Jack Niland, USA Today 8 Comments [8/5/2017 5:20:19 AM]
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Submitted By: Hu's On First

Quote# 130141

Lady Checkmate's headline: "Atheist (homosexual) Lies: "Being Black is as Sinful as Homosexuality."

This a common alt-left lie AND offensive in every way possible. They continue to conflate the two issues. Race is NOT sin, but behavior/homosexuality is sin.

I offer that it is the homosexuals who are the true racists. Consider this, I have NEVER heard a Christian state that being black is a sin; however, homosexuals regularly compare their sin to our skin color. They have essentially equated the two and said our skin color is as much an abomination as their behavior. That is an insult to every person of color in the world and a demonstration of what they think of AA people (our skin color is an abomination to them).

On the contrary, Christian abolitionists (white, black, etc. ) ALWAYS stood against racism and slavery, oft times risking their safety, lives, etc. in the process. Christians obey God and walk out His word.

Scripture DOES NOT support racism. In fact, God punished Miriam for her racism when she spoke against Moses and His black wife and God's word says that to Him there is neither black nor white/slave nor free. God is GOOD. Resist the lies of the alt-left. God loves us and is not for racism. The enemy lies and seeks to spread those lies as truth, in an attempt to draw people away from God. But not so, in Jesus name.

[irrelevant scripture deleted]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADdr_3DixC4

Don't forget to RECOMMEND. Lets get the Truth out so that Light may shine bright in this dark place and Jesus Christ may be glorified.Even if the discussion is closed, please still RECOMMEND.

Lady Checkmate, Disqus - Faith & Religion 15 Comments [8/5/2017 5:25:20 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 129686

The Stained Robe:

“Why is your robe stained at the bottom and on the sleeves?”

“I am called to assist in child training—the kind that squeezes the child—like being in a wine press. These,” he looked down at the stains, “are visible signs of the child’s development. The more stains, the greater the work has progressed within the child. Obedience is not learned easily, Anna. Some on earth never learn it.”

“Are you an angel assigned to help train me?” I asked.

“I am assigned to you.”
“Helping to train people in obedience cannot be a pleasant job.”

The angel replied, “It is of great significance to the Father and absolutely necessary. By this time in your life, my robe should be entirely stained and my face and hands dripping, but there are only stains on the hem and sleeves. So may I suggest that you are hindering your growth through known disobedience. Immediate gratification can never replace serving the Lord with a whole heart. Such obedience releases joys untold.”

Anna Rountree, All About God 12 Comments [8/5/2017 12:27:16 PM]
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Submitted By: Denizen

Quote# 129688

Meth Smoke Demons

Crystal Meth is the devil's drug! So evil, in fact that many people struggle with the drug calling it a choice between "Meth or Life!" There is no other choice. There comes a point in a users life that they must truly choose life or death while using crystal meth. The Bible puts it this way.. "I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live!" Lots of people have sadly chosen the crystal dust rather than their families. The devil has been successful at destroying many lives with these "demon-carrying" crystals called Crystal Meth. It goes by many other names such as "Tina, Speed or Ice" as well.
You will notice that in this article, we will make the claim that crystal meth is capable of housing demons with it's crystal like appearance. These crystals associated with meth are also capable of being portals from hell, and in fact, this is the true purpose of crystal meth... to help deceiving spirits escape from a dark realm to 'your room' to ultimately destroy you and your family.

Each time you light that lighter you are essentially turning the doorknob to Hell and releasing these evil spirits into your life. THEY NEVER COME TO HELP! They only come to kill, steal and destroy. John 10:10 These meth smoke demons come to ultimately devour you! First Peter 5:8

Listen, each time you open that door by tilting that glass pipe, you're inviting disaster! If you use crystal meth or if you ever have, then you know that this is Truth!

Team Wiseman, Hub Pages 11 Comments [8/5/2017 12:27:31 PM]
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Submitted By: DiarrheaMan

Quote# 130097

I want to mention I went to a brother in Christ house, and didn’t pray first..I went to place a program in my laptop. While placing the program, my laptop mysteriously would not stay on..I came home..prayed..while praying I saw energy friction in the spiritual realm than my laptop came on..The next day I called to go back over to see if I can try again..I thought sense I prayed over the laptop it was covered and protected..I got there the laptop came on, then it mysteriously wouldn’t come on again..came home prayed, nothing..i bound up demons demanded my laptop line up with the word of God..I fasted and the Holy ghost revealed to me, 7 demons worst than the first legally came in. yes I know a laptop. So the seven times worst does not only happen to a body..I want to add his house was dirty and had a bad order, which I know is breading ground for demonic activity..

Frederika Horton, Bible Knowledge 15 Comments [8/3/2017 10:02:20 PM]
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Quote# 13097

Did we breathe nitrogen??

I was trying to look up some things we know about how creatures, even man may have breathed in the past. I thought I'd throw it out.
I think that massive changes happened, leaving our universe in a different state after the flood sometime. Before this I think evolution could happen very fast.
So, I was considering what evidence exists that might say we MUST have used to breathe as we now do, absorbing the oxygen, etc. Could we tell by any evidence anywhere that this was the case? (and I don't mean looking at a chest cavity, and speculating how it must have worked if the past were the same)

One example that made me think of this is trees. In the past, with a different light, and growing process, from what I can tell of the bible (as in the future) trees grew superfast. In a week or so, in cases.

Could they have did something like absorb the nitrogen, and give off more carbon, or some such? If so, looking at carbon levels in the past in trees would yield no results with any real bearing on any real time.

I hear nitrogen is used in keeping apples fresh over the winter. If we are looking for possible causes of man being able to live for a thousand years almost in the past, could this be one area to explore?
If, say, (I don't know, just guessing here) an apple can be kept pretty fresh for up to 7 months, instead of a week or so on our counter, that is a fantastic difference. 7 days on the counter, in this example, versus 210 days with the nitrogen process. Or, a thirty fold increase in "lifespan"!!
If we now live 80 years, rather than, say 950 years, that means about almost a 12 fold decrease in lifespan.

Can this idea, that we adapted to absorb gases differently be ruled out?

dad, Christian Forums 39 Comments [7/17/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: CousinTed

Quote# 130164

[From "Why Did The Southern States Secede From The Union?"]

As we have seen, Rainbow Confederates like to pretend that race, slavery and white supremacy had nothing to do with the historical Confederacy. They like to imagine that their Confederate ancestors were cucks who shared the racial attitudes of the Baby Boomer generation.

This couldn’t be further from the truth. The Confederates believed that 19th century racial science had established the inferiority of the black race. They believed that 18th century Enlightenment theories of human equality and natural rights were antiquated and discredited.

In their eyes, the South was menaced by the threat of “Black Republicanism.” This was their term for Northerners who believed in “the doctrine of negro equality” and whose radical liberalism impelled them to undermine and destroy all social hierarchies. Abolitionism was only one of the many “-isms of the North” which were seen as a threat to the Southern social order. These included Bloomerism, anarchism, atheism, socialism, communism, Oneida incest and Mormon polygamy.

Abolitionism undermined the master-slave relationship. Bloomerism undermined patriarchy. Anarchism undermined state sovereignty. Atheism undermined our subordination to God. Socialism and communism undermined property rights. Incest and polygamy undermined Christian morality. The Confederates saw themselves as standing for hierarchy against the excesses of democracy.

In their more candid moments, the intellectual vanguard of the Confederacy declared that their objective was the defeat of American democracy. They wanted to abandon liberal republicanism in favor of classical republicanism. They admired the Greeks, Romans and the Normans of Medieval Britain. They wanted to secede from the United States to create a new conservative nation based on “the political thought of the Norman” which they believed was opposed to liberal democracy.

The Confederate view on race, slavery and white supremacy is consistent with their philosophy of inequality. The same is true of their views on patriarchy, religion and politics. They were natural conservatives who believed in preserving hierarchies, order and social distinctions. In their view, it was natural for man to be subordinated to God, wives to be subordinated to their husbands, children to their fathers, slaves to their masters, the ignorant to the wise, etc.

John Brown was seen as a wild-eyed fanatic in the South. What sense does John Brown’s raid on Harper’s Ferry make if the Rainbow Confederates are anywhere close to being right?

Mississippi Declaration of Causes of Secession

Texas Declaration of Causes of Secession

Alexander Stephens, Cornerstone Speech

Jefferson Davis, Farewell to the US Senate

Alexander Stephens, Speech to Virginia Convention

William L. Harris, Address To Georgia Assembly

Hunter Wallace, Occidental Dissent 20 Comments [8/6/2017 12:51:45 AM]
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Submitted By: JeanP

Quote# 13135

I have a girlfriend i have been dating for 6months now and meet her on eharmony. she also is a virgin. I find it quite disgusting to even think about dating a non virgin. For me it was either my girlfriend be a virgin or I was prepared to stay single for the rest of my life

WCG777, Rapture Ready 51 Comments [7/19/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: never been there

Quote# 13161

T = people do speak in tounges (read: talk in languages that they don't know) and interpret them (read: understand languages they don't know)
G = the Christian God exists

T -> G
~G -> ~T

Because T, therefore G.

SuperTails92, GameFAQs 47 Comments [7/19/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 130124

Religious Right activist “Coach” Daubenmire declared on his “Pass The Salt Live” webcast this morning that Christians who pay their taxes are engaging in sin.

Daubenmire said that Christians “better ask the Lord, ‘Do you want us to give our money to kill babies? Is that what you want us to do, Lord? Advance homosexuality and perversion in our schools? Lord, do you want me to take some of that hard-earned money that you blessed me with and you want me to give it to continue that process?”

“I’ll say this without question,” he continued, “the paying of government taxes, I believe, is sin. I’m sorry, I believe it’s sin. And so my struggle is with that premeditated sin every day because I know, for me to give one penny to Planned Parenthood is a sin. If I know what they’re doing with it, it’s a sin. For me to have to pay my property taxes—get your local property tax bill and look at how much of your local property tax goes to fund your schools and ask yourself, “Why am I funding that filth?'”

Daubenmire said that every Christian will one day have to stand before God and answer this question; and on that day, they will have to beg for His grace because there is no justification for paying taxes to a wicked government such as ours.

Dave Daubenmire, Right Wing Watch 12 Comments [8/5/2017 5:16:29 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 130092

Truly obscene, crude, sexually-oriented language is beneath the standards of the Bible and the Catholic Church. The way some (many!) talk today was confined to locker rooms, bars, and bachelor parties when I was in college 35 years ago (and mostly just to men). And I think that was a good thing.
Oh, for sure we had Woodstock and George Carlin and R-rated movies and punk rock. But it wasn’t everywhere; in-your-face, mainstream, on TV, inane, and obscene hip hop songs blaring from the next car over at the gas station . . . People instinctively knew that it was to be confined and strictly limited. It was “behind closed doors.” It wasn’t the stuff of public articles and Thanksgiving dinners. People were scandalized in 1972 when they learned (through the notorious Watergate tapes) that President Nixon said “GD.” They really were! It wasn’t just prudes and 70-year-old ladies in purple tennis shoes who taught Sunday School. I’m old enough (58) to personally remember all that.

Society has regressed, as it has in so many other ways. Now women can swear like sailors or pimps (even publicly, even in Catholic circles!). “You’ve come a long way, baby.” People not only see nothing wrong with that, but wonder how anyone possibly could, as if objection to it were the strangest thing in the world and confined to the most ridiculous, antiquated, almost self-parodied “fundamentalists.” Thank God for Netflix, used DVDs, and many cable channels, so parents can still get good quality TV and movies for the family, amidst the nearly universal cultural decline of language.

I think it’s pathetic and disgraceful. Men have so looked up to women and admired them, traditionally, precisely because we feel they are on such a higher level (morally) than we are: the finer creatures. It’s why there is such a huge fuss made about Mother’s Day, while I always joke that Father’s Day is about on the level of Groundhog Day. “Mom, baseball, and apple pie”, etc. I have always sincerely believed this. If that’s now considered old-fashioned and quaint, so be it. Count me in. It used to be called “chivalry” till the radical feminists (not feminism per se) did all they could to mock and destroy it as a cultural norm. My wife and all the women I admire are up on the pedestal.

St. Paul stated that “there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus” (Gal 3:28; RSV). It’s not an unequal scenario at all. We’re equals under God. I’m not advocating at all that there should be a double standard: with women held to a higher level. Let’s get that straight. A few people on Facebook, reading an early version of this post mistakenly thought that.

I’m not against women having freedom to act as they please, as men do. I’m disappointed when they become coarse and crude like so many men are. What a shame. Why in the world would women seek to emulate men’s worst characteristics? Even the Catholic / Christian / cultural notion that one doesn’t speak a certain way “in mixed company” is now lost. That was out of respect for women, in deference to them as finer creatures: not as crude and vulgar as men are. Now women join right in, and talk the same way themselves!

We all fall short in many ways. I’m not talking about the occasional slip, use of strong language in an outburst of passion, or in tragic situations, exclamations when we hit our head, etc., not even the relatively minor “swear words” (though obviously those should be tempered in any sort of professional or church setting), but rather, about brazen, consistent use, vulgarity, obscenity, sexual gutter language, and (above all) trying to rationalize it away as a non-issue, as if it is perfectly fine, and unfathomable that a Catholic organization would ever consider dismissing a writer on the grounds of persistent bad and insulting language.

My friend Patti Sheffield, on my Facebook page, outlined some of the biblical data regarding proper language:

"Ephesians 5:1-5 is pretty explicit on the conduct expected of Christians, and verse 4 specifically condemns “obscenity or silly or suggestive talk”, not just taking God’s name in vain. Ephesians 4:29 [“Let no evil talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for edifying, as fits the occasion, that it may impart grace to those who hear”], included in the list of rules for new Christians, explicitly forbade foul language. James also warned in his writing that we must learn to bridle our tongues. That means, simply put, have a filter. If someone is going to proclaim the Gospel (by being an apologist or a writer), then at least, have a filter."

"If we can’t be bothered to do that, we’re just conforming ourselves to the world instead of transforming it in Christ. And as Christ warns us in Matthew 12:36-37, we will be called to account for every careless word we make, and that will be a big factor in our final judgment. Why risk it for the sake of what some call humor?"

And let’s not forget the sage, stinging advice in the book of James:

"James 3:3-11 If we put bits into the mouths of horses that they may obey us, we guide their whole bodies. [4] Look at the ships also; though they are so great and are driven by strong winds, they are guided by a very small rudder wherever the will of the pilot directs. [5] So the tongue is a little member and boasts of great things. How great a forest is set ablaze by a small fire! [6] And the tongue is a fire. The tongue is an unrighteous world among our members, staining the whole body, setting on fire the cycle of nature, and set on fire by hell. [7] For every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and sea creature, can be tamed and has been tamed by humankind, [8] but no human being can tame the tongue — a restless evil, full of deadly poison. [9] With it we bless the Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who are made in the likeness of God. [10] From the same mouth come blessing and cursing. My brethren, this ought not to be so. [11] Does a spring pour forth from the same opening fresh water and brackish?"

Again, I’m not saying that women are held to one ethical standard and men to another: the old ridiculous double standard. No! It is us admiring women because they voluntarily chose to be more moral than we knew ourselves to be. It has to do also with men and women being fundamentally different in the first place. Ideally, we look up to each other, because of the complementarity that God designed.

The Catholic tradition is what taught the beauty and necessity of waiting till marriage, while the sexual revolution has brought us wonderful things like ubiquitous pornography. That really raises women’s stature in the eyes of men, doesn’t it? We need to understand what chivalry is in the first place and what has gotten our society into the sad, pathetic state it is now, after 50 years of wonderful sexual liberation. Everyone’s ecstatically happy, aren’t they? Families and marriages are better than they have ever been. Not! How’s the culture doing on marriage and treatment of women, post sexual revolution? How well has that pitiful social experiment / wholesale rebellion against sane, sensible tradition worked out?

As long as women continue to give out the “benefits” without demanding the commitment, we’ll be in the mess we’re in. That’s just about the root of it: caving into mens’ sinful sexual desires and emotional manipulations. It’s what has caused illegitimacy rates in the inner cities to rise to an astounding 80%. That and the broken home that usually results are some of the leading sociological indicators (my major) of poverty and a life of misery.

In practice, traditionally, women have been more moral sexually than men have been. Whether that was due to the double standard or the fear of pregnancy or the social stigma, or actually understanding the goodness of waiting till marriage, or various combinations of the above, it is a demonstrable fact. That has now mostly broken down.

And in practice, traditionally, women controlled their language much better than men did. All I’m saying was that men admired that. You admire what someone does better than yourself. I’m not in any way, shape, or form saying that men get a bigger pass and have less responsibility to follow Scripture and the Church. I’m simply describing the usual sinful reality of it. It’s the distinction between prescription (the should and ought) and description (the actual fact).

I still think women have the edge in sanctity: in practice. But radical feminism and unisexism are working very hard to make sure that women are equally as sinful as men in all areas. For the most radical feminists, their working philosophy has been to “hate men and to simultaneously do everything possible to be exactly like them in every way.” Sort of the “identifying with the oppressor” routine.

Language is one of these areas. Premarital sex is another. This is my point. There used to be a pronounced difference [no pun intended!] in how women talked. So we men admired them for that. Now that distinction is rapidly diminishing, and I think it’s a shame, because it means that women are relatively more sinful (as a generalization) in this area than they used to be, and that’s a very sad thing and a loss of yet another element of Catholic tradition and the traditional relationship between the sexes.

Feminism (mainstream, not radical) actually gives credence to my argument here, by its own rhetoric and self-understanding. If women are not higher creatures than men in some sense, how is it that feminists are (and indeed the thrust of the secular culture also is) always urging men to be more like women: more sensitive, nurturing, and communicative in particular? This presupposes that women have these traits that men desperately need to learn and emulate. Now how could that be if women were not indeed “higher” than men, for whatever reason, in those respects? And that leads back to my point. We look up to y’all because you really do have characteristics that we lack.

It can work both ways, though. My wife often complains about groups of women going right into gossip and complaining about their husbands. This is a major fault in women, and one where they can learn from the generally better example of men. Men almost never run down their wives in public; hardly even in private, one-to-one. They instinctively regard that as low-class, cheap, utterly inappropriate, and a bad reflection on them (since they chose to marry this woman). It’s just not done. So this is an instance where women could be raised up a bit by imitating what men almost always do. Both genders have their characteristic besetting sins. I would say that the biggest ones are lust for men and nagging / complaining for women.

But this is another instance of women themselves thinking they are superior to men. If they didn’t, the many women who do this wouldn’t sit there for hours gossiping about their husbands and assuming they are dolts who “don’t get it” and who don’t grasp the simplest things, like being able to openly, honestly express their feelings (like most women do), and often assume at the same time naively, foolishly assume that they are perfectly innocent as to the origin and continuance of various marital difficulties: as if it doesn’t take two.

Of course, historically, there was indeed the dreadful double standard, with the “good girls” and the “bad girls.” That was because men demanded immoral sex (this being our leading fault). It was very wrong, and it was primarily men’s fault. There will always be women willing to take advantage of men’s weakness and leading sin, for profit. Hence, prostitution.

Likewise, the Victorians went too far in terms of being anti-sex (though this is often exaggerated). The devil exploits everything to his ends. If a culture adopts a fairly Christian outlook that premarital sex is wrong, then there will be the tendency, because of sin, to go too far and get to the place where sex is regarded as “dirty” and “evil”: even marital sex.

That was what started ancient gnosticism. But this isn’t the Catholic position. The Church Fathers strongly tended towards this error, too. I’ve read them. I compiled three books of their quotes. They were opposing the rampantly sexual pagan Romans, and so they sometimes went too far in the other direction. This is the human tendency, and the devil exploits it to the max. The true biblical view is found in the Song of Solomon: unashamed sexuality within the bounds that God set for us, for our own good and pleasure.

Dave Armstrong, Patheos 11 Comments [8/5/2017 12:28:34 PM]
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[Posted on August 1, 2017, after the primaries and presidential election. Commenter was banned for this post.]

Oh absolutely. I don't have a candidate yet, but absolutely the bark must be stripped off Sanders and his staff fed into the woodchipper. The candidate who does that will get traction pretty quickly.

brooklynbadboy, Daily Kos 5 Comments [8/6/2017 12:49:56 AM]
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