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Folks this is the very reason we have the problems that we have, because they always want to distance us from what this true America is. It is and always will be a Christian Nation.

Christianity was the foundation for a lot of ground work that made this country great and now we have to fight tooth and nail to get it back. Thank God we now have a leader that realizes this.

Ken Shreve, Facebook 6 Comments [10/9/2017 1:17:22 AM]
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Funny thing is that some people think this is actually unconstitutional. I don't think they have ever read the Constitution. It isn't. Coaches have been doing this for years and still do all across the nation. But I guess when you tell a lie enough, people will start to believe it. Do you really think our founders would have put into the Constitution a law against what the vast majority of people were doing at the time?

Prayer was in schools, in government, basically every where. Even our rights are designated as being given by God, not man. So that no man has the right to take them away. The only reason the ACLU even wins these fights is because schools don't have the money to fight them in court. But thankfully our Justice Department is starting to take a stand for our bill of rights and starting to support it as government should! If there ever was an example of the wealthy elite taking advantage of the poor, it's the ACLU and it's bogus battle against our public school systems.

Robert Norbert Timpko Jr, Facebook 13 Comments [10/9/2017 11:23:57 AM]
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[=Authors Note: For the sake of trimming, some of the Bible verses in the original page have been removed=]

From the website of ‘johnshore.com’

These were published and dated December 16, 2010. I have only recently become aware of this ‘movement’ via Facebook. (One never knows what one will find there.) These are referred to as the “Sixteen Tenets of ‘unfundamentalist Christians’ , known also or previously known as ‘ThruWay Christians’. Being the old-fashioned, hard-nosed Bible thumper that I am, I disagree with some facets of this and the conclusions of the entirety.

Of course I have reasons and those reasons are published below. Just for convenience, I numbered the statements, replacing what appeared in my copy as a paragraph ‘dot’.

Just for the record, as the article was dated December 16, 2010, it is entirely possible Mr. Shore has completely changed his mind and recanted this whole document. On the other hand, I just checked Mr. Shore’s last blog entry and he’s still pitching the “UnFund” theme.

Caution: If the reader is not a Christian believer, much of this discussion will seem pointless. Feel free to read on, but if you’re confused, don’t worry, it happens to lots of folks.

Here beings the tenets:

1. Jesus Christ was God incarnate. He performed miracles; as a means of providing for the irrevocable reconciliation of humankind to God he sacrificed himself on the cross; he rose from the dead; he left behind for the benefit of all people the totality of himself in the form of the indwelling Holy Spirit.

So far, I’m in agreement. Jesus is God incarnate; the ‘Son’ who is God Himself. Jesus was executed and killed (no alternatives) on a Roman cross under Roman law. Jesus’ death was the final sacrifice needed to atone for the sin of all people who appeal to Him for forgiveness. Jesus rose from the dead on the third day showing Himself to be God and giving a promise to all of an Eternal life in Heaven with Him. He sent the Third Person of the Godhead, the ‘Holy Spirit’ to believers after His ascension.

2. Christ and Christianity are meant to be understood, appreciated, and experienced as galvanizing inspirations for living a life of love, compassion, fairness, peace, and humility. Period.

Now we’re disagreeing. The primary purpose and function of Christianity is to repair the breach between God and mankind due to mankind’s rebellion and disobedience. Being forgiven by Jesus and redeemed by His sacrifice, mankind can have a direct and proper relationship with God. The qualities of love, compassion, fairness, peace and humility are by-products of that proper relationship, not the primary aim.

Am I splitting hairs here? Not as much as one might think; the matter becomes clearer as we proceed.

3. The Bible is a collection of a great many separate documents written by different people in different languages over thousands of years. Properly understanding both the letter and spirit of the Bible necessarily entails taking into account the historical and cultural contexts that so greatly inform so much of its text. The size, density, history and complexity of the Bible render unfeasible the idea that not one of its words reflects more man’s will than God’s. The spirit of God is inerrant; people—even those impassioned by the conviction that God is speaking directly to or through them—are not.

The one starts out well and descends into heresy. The Bible was written over a period of approximately 1500 years. The Books of Moses, the Torah – sometimes Pentateuch, was written in the period between the Exodus from Egypt, around 1400 B. C. to the time of the Babylonian Captivity, around 600 to 530 B. C. (give or take a decade or so.) The book of Revelation, written by John the Apostle was written around 90 A. D. The rest was written somewhere in between, with the possible exception of Job. Job was one of the earliest sections written and may predate Moses. The Bible was assuredly written by at least forty different authors. (For instance, the books of Judges, Kings and Chronicles were written over periods of time and one author could not have written them all; they require accounts from events several hundred years apart. The Torah was more than likely written by a number of scribes with Moses or a later, Babylonian scholar as ‘editor’ and having final input. Genesis is obviously based on oral traditions of the Israelite nation.) The books reflect social conventions and cultural coloring of the times involved.

However, it is the message of Almighty God to humanity. No matter how much a human can foul up, the integrity of the message is based on God’s ability to ensure His message is properly passed on. No human can foul up or outright lie good enough to defeat God’s purpose. So as much as mankind wrote the words on paper (papyrus or whatever), the ‘Word’ (Greek ‘logos’, meaning idea, identity or concept) is that of God. As such, it is inerrant in message.

The idea of the Bible being ‘written by man and therefore possibly distorted’ is an old heresy. It was argued about in the earliest councils trying to settle on the ‘Bible’ and is the basis for several cults who claim to be Christian, but rely on teachings of extra Biblical origin. The heresy also finds much favor among those who wish to discredit any one particular facet of Christian doctrine. Under any version, the idea the Bible isn’t correct means either God really doesn’t care about the message or God is incapable of protecting His own plan. Christians cannot in good faith (no pun intended) accept either alternative.

4. Anyone seeking to mix church and state has failed to understand the nature and proper role of either. Belief that all people are created equal and are deserving of equal protection under the law is foundational to all modern democratic nations. To incorporate the inherently exclusionary imperatives of a particular religion into the determinedly inclusive system of democracy would be to undermine the very spirit of democracy by pushing it toward a theocracy.

This is a pretty silly statement and is highly ignorant of history. The ‘foundational’ belief of people being created equal and deserving equal protection under law is uniquely derived from the Judeo-Christian tradition. It is not found in Islam, Confucianism, Buddhism, Hinduism or any of the other ‘religions’ of the world. It is Christianity that fostered Democracy, not Democracy that fostered Christianity.

Additionally, it was Christian believers and supporters who founded the United States as a nation with no state religion. The United States was not founded as a ‘Christian nation’, but was indeed begun as a ‘nation of Christians’. To pretend otherwise is to ignore history and to invite serious question as to the point of the discussion. One must also note that all movements to ‘remove’ the influence of Christianity from the United States and civil laws result in the promotion of either Secular Humanism or Islam.

There are no moral vacuums.

5. It’s not possible to read Paul’s New Testament writings and remain unmoved by his open heart, intellectual prowess, and staggering bravery. And yet Paul (who, after all, spent years zealously persecuting and having executed untold numbers of Christians) must remain to us a mortal man. More than reasonable, it is incumbent upon those who claim to seek the deepest knowledge of Christ to subject the words of Paul to the same kinds of objective analysis we would the words of any man daring to describe the qualities, purposes, and desires of God.

This is a gentle, lofty and seemingly reasonable attempt to undermine the message presented by God through Paul the Apostle. What this statement does is deny the Divine inspiration and authorship of the Bible as a whole. It returns to the fore in a moment with more of the ‘villify Paul’ agenda.

6. With regards to the written identity of God, the pronoun “he” is a necessity of the English language, not an actual anatomical designation. God is neither male nor female; God contains all of both.

Again, agreement. In Hebrew, just as in English, the male pronoun unless specifically intended refers to both male and female. Jesus says (John 4:23 and 24)“But a time is coming – and now is here – when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father seeks such people to be his worshipers. God is spirit, and the people who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” Also one notes in Genesis (chapter one, verses 26 and 27)
“Then God said, “Let us make humankind in our image, after our likeness, so they may rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move on the earth.”
God created humankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them,
male and female he created them.

So, both male and female were (still are, more or less, being distorted from the original model by mankind’s disobedience) created in God’s image; which manifestly means not a physical image, but a mental and spiritual image.

7. The Biblical scholarship supporting the idea that Paul never wrote a word proscribing natural homosexuality is at least as credible and persuasive as the scholarship (if not typical Bible translations) claiming that he did. Any person who uses the words of Paul in the New Testament to “prove” that homosexuality is a sin against God has either never themselves researched the matter, or has simply chosen to believe one set of equal proofs over another. Though laziness is easily enough understood, we remain mystified as to why anyone who purports to follow Jesus would choose to condemn an entire population over choosing to obey Jesus’ self-proclaimed Greatest Commandment to love one’s neighbor as one loves oneself.

Here’s the follow up to point 5. Once Paul is ‘questionable’, the condemnation of homosexuality can be dismissed as a personal quirk, or possibly an outright error on the part of Christianity (on the whole).

Here’s the premise of the tenet: Paul either really didn’t mean what he wrote about the practice of homosexuality despite what is clearly written in the original Greek manuscripts and all subsequent translations of the Bible, or Paul was mistaken and therefore not inspired by God. What an amazing statement.

Either God inspired and authored the Bible or not. If one chooses to deny God’s inspiration in part, then the whole becomes suspect. If God was lax in allowing Paul to write and publish errors, then what of the rest of the Bible is trustworthy? Conversely, if God did in fact inspire and author the Bible, then Paul’s writing is equally trustworthy.

Leviticus 18
This entire section (several chapters) deals with sexual sins and prohibitions. In part (I have inserted whole paragraphs to present an in context view):
19 You must not approach a woman in her menstrual impurity to have sexual intercourse with her. 20 You must not have sexual intercourse with the wife of your fellow citizen to become unclean with her. 21 You must not give any of your children as an offering to Molech, so that you do not profane the name of your God. I am the Lord! 22 You must not have sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman; it is a detestable act. 23 You must not have sexual intercourse with any animal to become defiled with it, and a woman must not stand before an animal to have sexual intercourse with it; it is a perversion.
Leviticus 20
9 “‘If anyone curses his father and mother he must be put to death. He has cursed his
father and mother; his blood guilt is on himself. 10 If a man commits adultery with his neighbor’s wife, both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death. 11 If a man has sexual intercourse with his father’s wife, he has exposed his father’s nakedness. Both of them must be put to death; their blood guilt is on themselves. 12 If a man has sexual intercourse with his daughter-in-law, both of them must be put to death. They have committed perversion; their blood guilt is on themselves. 13 If a man has sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman, the two of them have committed an abomination. They must be put to death; their blood guilt is on themselves. 14 If a man has sexual intercourse with both a woman and her mother, it is lewdness. Both he and they must be burned to death, so there is no lewdness in your midst. 15 If a man has sexual intercourse with any animal, he must be put to death, and you must kill the animal. 16 If a woman approaches any animal to have sexual intercourse with it, you must kill the woman, and the animal must be put to death; their blood guilt is on themselves.

These two passages are from the Torah, the first five books of the Old Testament. One can argue these are part of the Jewish or Mosaic Law and are therefore obsolete; in that case, general adultery, incest and bestiality are also permitted along with homosexual conduct. Or is that the point?

First Timothy 1 (written by that suspect Paul fellow)

8 But we know that the law is good if someone uses it legitimately, 9 realizing that law is not intended for a righteous person, but for lawless and rebellious people, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 sexually immoral people, practicing homosexuals, kidnappers, liars, perjurers – in fact, for any who live contrary to sound teaching. 11 This accords with the glorious gospel of the blessed God that was entrusted to me.

There is a note on the phrase ‘practicing homosexuals’ in verse 10 from the NET Bible: “…this term… ??se?????t?? states, “a male who engages in sexual activity w. a pers. of his own sex, pederast 1 Cor 6:9…of one who assumes the dominant role in same-sex activity, opp. µa?a???…1 Ti 1:10; Pol 5:3. Cp. Ro 1:27.” L&N 88.280 states, “a male partner in homosexual intercourse – ‘homosexual.’…It is possible that ??se?????t?? in certain contexts refers to the active male partner in homosexual intercourse in contrast with µa?a???, the passive male partner” (cf. 1 Cor 6:9). Since there is a distinction in contemporary usage between sexual orientation and actual behavior, the qualification “practicing” was supplied in the translation…”

First Corinthians 6 (also written by that questionable Paul)
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! The sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, passive homosexual partners, practicing homosexuals, 10 thieves, the greedy, drunkards, the verbally abusive, and swindlers will not inherit the kingdom of God. 11 Some of you once lived this way. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

This last passage strikes me an illuminating. Homosexuals are included in a list of sin categories which include heterosexual sexual sinners, idolaters, adulterers (distinct from ‘sexually immoral heterosexuals), thieves, greedy, drunkards, verbally abusive and swindlers. The phrase ‘verbally abusive’ is rather interesting. The NIV translates it as ‘slanderers’; I think ‘gossips’ might easily fit into the meaning. At any rate, people who say nasty things about others are lumped in with murderers, thieves and the sexually immoral (of any type).

The last verse in the paragraph implies a change of life in those reading the letter. “Some of you … lived… But you were washed… sanctified… justified…” So they were not just forgiven and allowed to continue; they changed their values and life-styles. The same implication applies to the sexually impure; they don’t do that sort of thing anymore; they avoid that sort of thing; they are ashamed of and denounce their own past behavior.

Therefore, the Old Testament writings prohibited homosexual conduct as does the writings of Paul, therefore the New Testament. The words used really do mean homosexual conduct and not just the generic ‘sexual misconduct’.

I’m really curious about the ‘equal scholarship’ which demonstrates what the Bible says isn’t what it means. I’d like to examine the line of thought and arguments.

The statement “…Jesus’ self-proclaimed Greatest Commandment to love one’s neighbor as one loves oneself” is incorrect and sloppy scholarship.

Matthew 22:
35 And one of them, an expert in religious law, asked him a question to test him: 36 “Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?” 37 Jesus 44 said to him, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment.

This tenet goes past ‘unfundamentalism’ and is squarely non-Christian.

8. It is much more reasonable—and certainly more compassionate—to hold that throughout history God chose to introduce himself in different ways into different cultural streams than it is to believe that there is only one correct way to understand and worship God, and that the punishment for anyone who chooses any but that way is to spend all of eternity having the living flesh seared off of his or her bones.

More reasonable? By who’s standard? As a Christian, the only viewpoint that counts is God’s viewpoint. That ‘viewpoint’ is expressed in the Bible, which is – as noted prior – God’s message to humanity.

More compassionate? To whom? Not to mention under what definition of ‘compassion’? I find no compassion in patting someone in error on the head and say comforting words while allowing them to remain in error at the risk of Eternal Death.

So let’s go along with the idea of God introducing Himself into different cultural streams in different ways. Why would introduce Himself in a totally different manner if He’s the same, Eternal God? For instance, in the sub-continent which is now India, why would God decide not to be the Eternal God of Creation of the Jewish people, but instead be represented by a pantheon of conflicting gods which change over time? Why would Almighty God manifest Himself as the volcano god, demanding virgin sacrifices? Would God happily change Himself into the Great Green Arkleseizure of Viltvodle VI?

Is He still God? Is He bored and just experimenting? Can He not remember who He is, from epoch to epoch?

The idea appeals to the ‘open-minded’ who have no ideas about who God is, or what He should be or do. The concept flies in the face of the ultimate creator of the Universe and all things that exist, who is Eternal and changeless, who is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent. In other words, God.

Again, not just ‘unfundamentalist’, but not very good thinking and doctrinally non Christian.

9. “No one comes to the Father except through me” does not mean that in the afterlife only Christians can get into heaven. It means that Jesus/God decides who does and doesn’t make it in.

From this one is forced to believe Jesus will not judge between those who accept Him and those who don’t, but instead will judge by ad hoc rules of ‘good behavior’. I say ‘ad hoc’ because no such rules are outlined in the Bible.

All that stuff about believing in the Son and relying on Him in tenet 1 are out the window, then? It is good deeds that really make the difference?

This heresy is remarkably old as well. It predates Christianity, in fact.

Jesus mentioned this concept in Matthew Seven, starting with verse 15:
15 “Watch out for false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are voracious wolves. 16 You will recognize them by their fruit. Grapes are not gathered from thorns or figs from thistles, are they? 17 In the same way, every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree is not able to bear bad fruit, nor a bad tree to bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 So then, you will recognize them by their fruit.
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of heaven – only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. 22 On that day, many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in your name, and in your name cast out demons and do many powerful deeds?’ 23 Then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you. Go away from me, you lawbreakers!’
24 “Everyone who hears these words of mine and does them is like a wise man who built his house on rock. 25 The rain fell, the flood came, and the winds beat against that house, but it did not collapse because it had been founded on rock. 26 Everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain fell, the flood came, and the winds beat against that house, and it collapsed; it was utterly destroyed!”
So then, what about “… the one who does the will of my Father in heaven…”? John 15, starting with verse nine makes it clear:
9 “Just as the Father has loved me, I have also loved you; remain in my love. 10 If you obey my commandments, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father’s commandments and remain in his love. 11 I have told you these things so that my joy may be in you, and your joy may be complete.”

Nowhere in the Bible, nowhere in the quotations of Jesus, nowhere in the letters of the various apostles and elders in Jerusalem is any such doctrine mentioned or taught. In one setting (John 10:14-18), Jesus says,
14 “I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me – 15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father – and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 I have other sheep that do not come from this sheepfold. I must bring them too, and they will listen to my voice, so that there will be one flock and one shepherd. 17 This is why the Father loves me – because I lay down my life, so that I may take it back again. 18 No one takes it away from me, but I lay it down of my own free will. I have the authority to lay it down, and I have the authority to take it back again. This commandment I received from my Father.”

Verse 16 is often used to ‘prove’ the heresy of various versions of God and or Jesus running about in human history, showing up in various forms and guises. One fellow seriously suggested it could indicate the existence of extra-terrestrial life. Actually, the statement simply indicates non-Jewish people were included. That’s all.

I personally don’t have any problem with extra-terrestrial life, or any of them being in Heaven. But it will be on the basis of an individual relationship with Jesus Christ.

I am also firmly convinced all the inhabitants of planet Earth will have adequate notice of the person and Deity of Jesus Christ. God is not the sort of being who looks for tiny excuses and ‘foot-faults’ to disqualify anyone from Heaven.

10. The question of whether or not hell is real is properly subsumed by the truth that a moment spent worrying if you’ll be with God in the afterlife is an opportunity missed to be with God in this life.

I agree. There is no point of wondering, let alone worrying, if Hell is real. Jesus talks about it too much to be in doubt. It isn’t pleasant, but it’s there. One is obliged to take note and do something to avoid residence.

11. God’s will and intention is to forgive and teach us, not to judge and punish us.

That is true, but only to a qualified extent. Jesus came to Earth as a mortal man to tell us what to do to avoid Eternal punishment and die in our place to pay the price for our sin. Obviously, God the Father was in on this plan as was the Holy Spirit.

God really does not want anyone to spend Eternity in Hell. However, since all mankind is in the default position of being in rebellion against God, mankind is by default condemned to Eternal Hell.

The words of Jesus in John, chapter three:
16 For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world should be saved through him. 18 The one who believes in him is not condemned. The one who does not believe has been condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God. 19 Now this is the basis for judging: that the light has come into the world and people loved the darkness rather than the light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone who does evil deeds hates the light and does not come to the light, so that their deeds will not be exposed. 21 But the one who practices the truth comes to the light, so that it may be plainly evident that his deeds have been done in God.
God is loving and concerned. God is simultaneously honest and just. God is God and that means – in a long list of other things – He will always conduct Himself as God and be true to His own nature.

There are also a number of references warning that when Jesus returns – ‘The Second Coming’ – He will in fact judge all people according to their alliances.

12. The only person who should be actively endeavoring to convert non-Christians into Christians is God. Jesus does not need our help drawing people towards him. He does need, or could certainly use, our help in making sure that people know that they are, just as they are, loved.

This statement directly contradicts the command of Jesus.

Matthew 28:16-20
16 So the eleven disciples went to Galilee to the mountain Jesus had designated. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him, but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came up and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age

Acts 1
6 So when they had gathered together, they began to ask him, “Lord, is this the time when you are restoring the kingdom to Israel?” 7 He told them, “You are not permitted to know the times or periods that the Father has set by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the farthest parts of the earth.” 9 After he had said this, while they were watching, he was lifted up and a cloud hid him from their sight.

First Peter 3
15 But set Christ apart as Lord in your hearts and always be ready to give an answer to anyone who asks about the hope you possess. (“Hope” here meaning the expectation of Eternal life with God.)

So in this statement again, the concept is not ‘un-fundamentalist’ but ‘un-Christian’.

13. Getting a divorce is painful, and if at all possible should certainly be avoided. But ultimately the act in and of itself is not immoral.

This statement flatly contradicts Jesus’ teaching on the subject.

Matthew 5
31 “It was said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife must give her a legal document.’ 32 But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Matthew 19
3 Then some Pharisees came to him in order to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful to divorce a wife for any cause?” 4 He answered, “Have you not read that from the beginning the Creator made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and will be united with his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” 7 They said to him, “Why then did Moses command us to give a certificate of dismissal and to divorce her?” 8 Jesus said to them, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because of your hard hearts, but from the beginning it was not this way. 9 Now I say to you that whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another commits adultery.” 10 The disciples said to him, “If this is the case of a husband with a wife, it is better not to marry!”11 He said to them, “Not everyone can accept this statement, except those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are some eunuchs who were that way from birth, and some who were made eunuchs by others, and some who became eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who is able to accept this should accept it.”

So yes, Jesus said divorce is an immoral act, save for the cause of adultery. Even then, the divorced man or woman is limited in options.

14. God does not want any woman “submitting” to anyone.

Another direct contradiction of Biblical teaching.

Ephesians 5
22 Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord, 23 because the husband is the head of the wife as also Christ is the head of the church – he himself being the savior of the body. 24 But as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. 25 Husbands, love your wives just as Christ loved the church and gave himself for her 26 to sanctify her by cleansing her with the washing of the water by the word, 27 so that he may present the church to himself as glorious – not having a stain or wrinkle, or any such blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In the same way husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.

Colossians 3
18 Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. 19 Husbands, love your wives and do not be embittered against them.

Oh, wait! That’s that questionable Paul again! Since Paul is so very questionable, we can ignore much of his writings – especially the parts about moral conduct, sexual misconduct and general carryings-on.

First Peter 3
1 In the same way, wives, be subject to your own husbands. Then, even if some are disobedient to the word, they will be won over without a word by the way you live, 2 when they see your pure and reverent conduct… like Sarah who obeyed Abraham, calling him lord. You become her children when you do what is good and have no fear in doing so. 7 Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as the weaker partners and show them honor as fellow heirs of the grace of life. In this way nothing will hinder your prayers.

That’s the summation of Peter the Apostle. He agrees with Paul the suspect.

15. There were no dinosaurs on Noah’s ark; Jesus didn’t have a pet stegosaurus. An all-powerful God and the theory of evolution are not incompatible.

Whooop! Whooop! Whooop! Strawman Alert!
So, just where do we find claims of dinosaurs on Noah’s Ark? Which gospel contains the story of Jesus and His pet stegosaurus? What kind of hairball ploy is this?

Okay, “An all-powerful God and the theory of evolution are not incompatible.” That part is reasonable enough. However, this isn’t a matter of doctrinal distinction; it’s a matter of textual examination.

Dinosaurs on the Ark? Sheesh.

16. The single most telling indicator of a person’s moral character has nothing to do with how they define or worship God, and everything to do with how they treat others.

So, a relationship with God isn’t important; what is important is ‘good deeds’.

Actually, this is a deceptive argument; somewhat strawman in nature. I’ll agree one’s ‘moral character’ is not always dependent on how one defines or worships God. However, one’s moral character has nothing to do with one’s Eternal estate, being in a proper relationship with God and spending Eternity with God in Heaven.

One can be a rotten skunk and be bound for Heaven, or a very decent, clean, honest and honorable person going to Hell.

I know for a fact that my moral character was – for that matter ‘is’ – not always as good and shining as it ought to be. After becoming a Christian, I have sinned grievously, often and cheerfully. But my eternal destination is already secure and in Jesus’ care. As far as God is concerned in Judgment, I am as pure as Jesus.

Which is not to say I’m content in my life that way, or at peace with God. I found I was a jittery, angry, depressed, unsettled maniac; at least some combination of two or three of those. I can hide it well, but it’s there and I am very aware of it.

What happens is this: God works on me to make me into who – the type of person – He wants me to be, fit for Heaven in Eternity.

To conclude:

“Un-fundamentalists” accept the Deity, Sacrifice, Resurrection and Redemptive nature and power of Jesus Christ. However, they also believe God has appeared in other forms and guises, seemingly revealing other versions of Himself. So Jesus really isn’t uniquely God at all.

“Un-fundamentalists” deny the Divinely Inspired nature of the Bible, strip Paul’s writing of authority and accept homosexual misconduct – and by inference, heterosexual misconduct – as both normal and moral.

“Un-fundamentalists” claim the goal of Christianity is to live a good life; ‘good’ being defined by not offending anyone, getting along with all and ignoring Biblical principles if adherence would cause a row.

“Un-fundamentalists” believe Christians should not vote in accordance with Biblical principles. Nor should laws follow the long held traditions of either Judaism or Christianity.

“Un-fundamentalists” do not assume responsibility for evangelism; in fact, evangelism is discouraged.

“Un-fundamentalists” believe God never criticizes or judges human conduct. They believe there is no Hell. After all, God isn’t going to punish anyone for anything anyway.

All things considered, “Un-fundamentalist Christian” is not a properly descriptive phrase. Citing the serious theological and doctrinal differences between this cult and mainstream Christianity, I would suggest perhaps “Nearly Christian” would be a better description. Since the first tenet does recognize Jesus as God, perhaps “Barely Christian” would do.

Now, I know some bright soul is going to jump on me with the Biblical injunction of “Judge not, lest ye be judged”. The statement comes in Matthew 7, starting with the beginning of the chapter. The whole paragraph reads as follows:

1 “Do not judge so that you will not be judged. 2 For by the standard you judge you will be judged, and the measure you use will be the measure you receive. 3 Why do you see the speck in your brother’s eye, but fail to see the beam of wood in your own? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye,’ while there is a beam in your own? 5 You hypocrite! First remove the beam from your own eye, and then you can see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. 6 Do not give what is holy to dogs or throw your pearls before pigs; otherwise they will trample them under their feet and turn around and tear you to pieces.

This whole speech is addressed at being judgmental of other people in regard to their fitness or standing before God. I am not ‘judging’ any person, but a set of beliefs and how they measure up to Christianity, I am not violating any injunction. Indeed, I am following a warning given by John the Revelator in First John 4:

1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to determine if they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses Jesus as the Christ who has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God, and this is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming, and now is already in the world.

So I am testing this ‘spirit’, this claim of revelation of God. I find interesting that tenet 1 claims to recognize Jesus as the Son of God in the Flesh, and then denies Jesus’ Deity in most of the subsequent tenets.

Old Man Montgomery , Old Man Montgomery 6 Comments [10/9/2017 12:45:30 AM]
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Quote# 132476

CBS legal executive Hayley Geftman-Gold has been fired for making insensitive remarks about the victims of the Las Vegas shooting, the deadliest shooting in modern US history.

"If they wouldn't do anything when children were murdered I have no hope that Repugs will ever do the right thing," Geftman-Gold wrote in comments that have since been deleted from her Facebook page. "I'm actually not even sympathetic bc country music fans often are Republican gun toters."

Hayley Geftman-Gold, Business Insider 3 Comments [10/9/2017 12:38:28 AM]
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Submitted By: Hu's On First

Quote# 132541

Those who are high IQ and support leftism only do so because of brainwashing that they received throughout the education system. Any white intellectual who is unable to support the alt right despite being presented with overwhelming evidence that our cause is the correct cause is someone who is either not really an intellectual or is someone who purposefully wants to destroy us.
Also note that: Highly educated does not equate to highly intelligent; especially in this academic climate. You've also got to factor in the entire female gender who IMO should receive a 10 point IQ reduction due to their biological lack of rationality that is not on par with their actual IQ.

Consideringjudaism99, Reddit 8 Comments [10/9/2017 1:10:42 AM]
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Quote# 132570

by dick hafer
[A gay man shouts "NO! IT'S ALL LIES! DON'T READ THIS BOOK!" as he is being carried away.]
Do you know what a "golden shower" is? Have you ever heard of "fisting"? What really happens in gay baths? What is the hidden political agenda of the "gay" community? Which organizations help to promote this agenda? Which national political figures have supported the "gay rights" drive? What are the facts about AIDS? What other diseases can you catch from the sodomites? What should the Christian's attitude be toward sodomites? Which lies do they want you to believe?
The answers to these and many more questions can be found in this primer on the immoral movement sweeping the U.S. They are answers you must have to discuss the issue - and join the battle.
These answers may turn your, and other's children from the siren call of the deathstyle of the homosexuals.

Dick Hafer, Comics with Problems 17 Comments [10/9/2017 1:18:23 AM]
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Submitted By: The Reptilian Jew

Quote# 132666

1. In the work and affairs of the church, there must be total acquiescence to the man used by the Holy Spirit. This is the administrative arrangement of God.

2. You must accept and obey the leadership, watering, and shepherding of the man used by the Holy Spirit, and perform your duty in strict accordance with work arrangements; only then will you be after God’s own heart.

3. Acknowledging that the leadership of the man used by the Holy Spirit is the path by which the Holy Spirit works and guides God’s chosen people and is the way to entry onto the right track of belief in God.

4. You absolutely cannot worship and look up to the man used by the Holy Spirit and allow him to take the place of God in your heart. In your belief in God, you must only magnify God and obey God’s administrative arrangements.

Church of Almighty God, Church of Almighty God 4 Comments [10/9/2017 1:42:20 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132766

An ultra-orthodox Jewish sect trashed a Jerusalem ice cream parlour because they were disgusted by people licking cones in public believing it promotes promiscuity.
The owners of the Zisalek parlour in the Mea Shearim neighbourhood had put up posters asking people not to consume the snacks in public and installed separate entrances for men and women.
But religious zealots from the ultra strict Sikrikim sect did not believe the measures went far enough and broke in during the night to vandalise the premises.
Owner Guy Ammar said: 'They had a real ball with us.
'But we were not deterred. Residents here told us not to give up and business is going well now.'
The Sikrikim are named after a Jewish group which 2,000 years ago fought against Roman rulers and suspected Jewish collaborators.
They wear masks to hide their identity and strike mainly at night.
Ultra-Orthodox Jews make up about 8 percent of Israel's 7.7 million population. With an average of eight children per family, they are a fast-growing population.
Many live below the poverty line and tend keep to their own towns and neighbourhoods.
Mea Shearim area is small, less than half a square mile, and home to about 30,000 residents considered among the most tight-knit and reclusive of Israel's ultra-Orthodox Jews.
Other stores in the neighbourhood, where men wear traditional black garb and women bare little but their face, have had their windows broken, locks glued and foul-smelling liquid smeared on walls.
Marlene Samuels, manager of the nearby Or Hachaim bookshop said: 'They also threw once a bag of excrement inside and smashed our windows three times.'
Marlene's shop has been attacked more than 10 times since it opened a year and a half ago, Samuels said. The latest assault was last week when one of the store's branches had its locks glued overnight.
The shop's owner met with the Sikrikim several times.
Although the store stocks only religious books, they include volumes published by Zionist organsiations while the Sikrikim believe a Jewish state can be established only with the coming of the Messiah.
Sikrikim attacks have also been reported at Beit Shemesh, a mixed secular and religious town with a growing ultra-Orthodox community, about half an hour's drive from Jerusalem. The latest target there has been a religious girls' school.
The Sikrikim who reside near the school object to the way the girls dress. Since the school year began in September they have regularly picketed outside shouting out at the students, most of them younger than 12, that they are promiscuous.
'They claim to be religious but what they do is a crime against God, against the Torah and against humanity,' said David Rotenberg, who works at Or Hachaim.

Sikrikim, Daily Mail Online 12 Comments [10/9/2017 2:26:14 AM]
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Submitted By: The Reptilian Jew

Quote# 132778

liberals hate anything that has to do with Christianity! we must get liberal judges out of the courtroom.

Gerald Leaman, Facebook 6 Comments [10/9/2017 11:24:31 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132799

I will have no sympathy for italistan until they follow other countries by stopping all illegal immigration and start to deport mus slum invader liars.

The idea of mus slum countries, emptying all of their jails by sending them to italistan makes perfect sense.

Similar to the way cuba emptied their jails by offering to send them to the US.

Hopefully it is not too late but, with the birth rates of the mus slums, I fear that it is too late.

cat, Bare Naked Islam 11 Comments [10/9/2017 11:46:07 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132486

[on the theory of gravity]
Yes. Tesla, the greatest genius said it was wrong.
If gravity were true, those billion pound oceans in the southern seas would never LET birds fly.
Unless gravity can 'trio's?

- Not a poe, the poster is a genuinely ignorant creationist

2FollowHim, Y! answers 3 Comments [10/9/2017 12:47:43 AM]
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Quote# 132522

Milton Thomas Fleitas, GodType 2 Comments [10/9/2017 12:54:41 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132776

The agenda of the atheist group is what? Of course supporters and so called atheist will quote the state versus Church issue but seriously? Is this so serious as to disrupt what is good?....of course it is not....and we all know that...even the atheists know that.....they simply want to disrupt God....why? Because their master tells them to do so....sad to be so nasty and even sadder to justify nastiness with by calling it righteousness....

Stuart Wragg, Facebook 13 Comments [10/9/2017 11:24:19 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132780

Why is so much extreme chaos occurring in what was once a vibrant, unified, and essentially happy nation? Madalyn Murray O'Hair who opened wide the portals of hate and despair….an enormous uptick in all things Marxist….professors pushing their image of “real” transformers cum activists in part to shore up their pitiful empty lives, they turned four or five decades of heretofore colorful, playful and hardworking Americans into serfs/slaves.

Those teachers and the MSM’s editors, authors and "print seekers", romanticized "Che" Guevara inspite of the thousands he murdered or had murdered…..idealized Castro and Mao for their politics of oppression.

What were we thinking!? If you have been paying attention, Americans have been taught WHAT to think not HOW to think for themselves. Individuality has been replaced by collectivism, diversity all are driven by Political Correctness…rendering this “happy” nation, a nation of cowards whom we elect to govern us, politically left/communism professors etc. to teach our young.

Back to O’Hair…; out went honesty, integrity, your word on a hand shake. In came corruption and all the environs usually associated with a dishonest populace.

Maybe the Creator did or didn’t send us President Trump, a mirror of the Old America, a man with the cojones to turn this once vibrant and unified essentially happy and productive nation around. I am praying that is so, please join me.

yoe, Free Republic 13 Comments [10/9/2017 11:24:52 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132783

Indeed, God has used sinful men to flood the earth with symbols of His patience and grace. Every time you see a “pride” rainbow, think of the long-suffering mercy of almighty God holding back his coming wrath; allowing you one more breath — one more chance to repent — one more moment to be forgiven and set free. God is showing you mercy right now, beckoning you to turn away from your sin and look upon Him.

Please don’t hate us for telling you the truth. We produced this tract because we love you and know that the “The Lord is not slow about His promise . . . but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance” (2 Peter 3:8-9).

We were enemies of God once, and it was his grace that saved us and enabled us to follow Him. It would be hateful to withhold this truth from you and rob you of the chance to be washed clean and join us in the Kingdom of God. Today is the day of salvation. The coming judgement of God against sin will not tarry forever.

smokingfrog, Free Republic 9 Comments [10/9/2017 11:36:15 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132768

('argument' for why a soul exists)

My argument is based upon the fact that if the soul does exist as a spiritual entity which enables conscious awareness of the information held within our brain, no amount of neuroscientific investigation will discover it.

Alan Burns, Religion and Ethics 11 Comments [10/9/2017 8:39:05 AM]
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Submitted By: Nearly Sane

Quote# 132729

Maybe unpopular but I actually have more of an issue with Asians than Latinos.
A lot of Chinese immigrants seem to fantasize about the day when China surpasses the US as a superpower. They have delusions of grandeur when it comes to overtaking the West--"China's century" etc. It reminds me of the way Japanese talked in the 1980s about their ascent.
Moreover, I find many Asian values to be toxic to our culture. The clannishness, the lack of self-expression, the lack of sociability/general awkwardness, and the selfish "me first" attitudes are all pretty common. To put it all in an anecdote, I remember there was an all-you-can-eat buffet I used to go to in my old college town. The old Asian ladies would literally show up with shopping bags, fill their bags with food out of the buffet, and leave without even eating. I find Asians are often insensitive to a lot of the social and cultural norms like that, that we tend to value in the West.
Moreover, a lot of young Asian kids are being drawn to radical leftists politics on college campuses. They have this weird obsession (as I've written about on here a few days ago) with getting the blacks to like them, even though it's a totally one-way street.
Lastly, even if I have many issues with the latino and black communities, I think I've always respected that there is something "warm" to their cultures. Mexican people are incredibly gregarious--they have massive parties with the whole extended family, they invite everyone, and everyone is always welcome. As for blacks, you go to any black neighborhood and it seems like everyone knows each other. Everyone's outside, people are socializing, and I know it sounds cliche but they all call each other "brother and sister." I think that's really cool.
I find that kind of warmth to be totally lacking in Asian culture.
Finally, and more big picture, I don't like these kinds of questions because they all seem to have the same underlying message: well, okay, you don't want massive amounts of THIS group in your country, but what about THIS one??? Why can't white countries just be majority white and stay that way indefinitely?

Freejerrythree, Reddit 9 Comments [10/9/2017 2:17:34 AM]
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Quote# 50602

Boy guys, can it get any worse. There is no regard for life anymore. Kudos to this Mom, she's got guts to stand her ground in this liberal State of Oregon.

Oregon mom won't return 'Bunny Suicide' book
by The Associated Press
Monday October 20, 2008, 5:54 AM
One way or another, a Halsey woman promises to keep a popular cartoon book out of the Central Linn High School library.

Taffey Anderson says "The Book of Bunny Suicides" is not appropriate for anyone, but especially children. She inspected the book her 13-year-old son checked out of the library, and what she saw convinced her to never return it.

The 2003 book by British author Andy Riley is a collection of cartoons showing a rabbit attempting to end his life in bizarre ways. Anderson's son told her he checked it out because his friends said it was funny.

"It is a comic book, but that's not funny. Not at all," Anderson told the Albany Democrat-Herald newspaper. "I don't care if your kid is 16, 17, 18. It's wrong."

mollymouse, RR 74 Comments [10/26/2008 12:08:15 AM]
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Quote# 111983

“He has a definite standard and it is not the liberal mindset that we see today,” Bailey opined. “This book [the Bible] does not condone things like women preaching… Paul said I do not let a woman preach of be in authority over a man, that’s not according to the Bible. If I’m out to please God, we don’t find things like that in the Bible.”

“God does not approve of homosexuality or gay marriage,” he insisted. “The scripture says… that is vile, unnatural and deserving of a penalty… It’s an abomination that under the Old Testament deserved stoning.”

“And so, is our God, the God of Bible, wanting us to go somewhere where it’s liberal, relaxed views and anything goes. No, that’s the effect of a very liberal society. And we need to make sure that such is not the idea or the mindset of God.”

Ben Bailey, Raw Story 12 Comments [8/18/2015 6:00:47 PM]
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Submitted By: Ibuki Mioda

Quote# 132751

Gay, Bisexual, Lesbian, and Trans-sexual Gentiles, properly known as the Third Sex, have always served as a creative force for Gentile Pagan [Satanic] civilizations. The Jewish poisons of Judeo/Christianity, Islam, and their twin, Communism, have destroyed all of this to the point that many of today's modern Third Sex people have no recollection of their sacred Satanic past or have any idea of their future roles in rescuing our Gentile peoples from Jewish world domination.

The purpose of this website is to wake as many Third Sex Gentiles [non-Jews] from their current Marxist comas as possible, and return these children of Satan to their natural Pagan roles as civilization-builders and maintainers of Gentile cultures. This is much more serious than most people realize, and time is of the essence.

The Jewish people have absolutely no culture or civilization of their own. It is high time that we stop allowing them to steal from ours. It is our Satanic duty to usher in Satan's Kingdom on Earth. This is National Socialism, which in its true and original Pagan form, is accepting of the Third Sex population. The only way we can do this is to awaken all Gentiles and stick together within our respective racial communities and utterly destroy Judeo/Christianity, Islam, and Communism in every form that they come in. The end of these kosher institutions is the end of the Jewish people, and they know it.

One of the noble functions of our Third Sex Pagan past was the Divine role of spiritual intermediaries between our Gentile, especially Aryan tribes, and our Gods [Satan and his Demons]. Likewise, we protected our Gentile races and Nations as Warriors and Leaders. Heterosexual people have provided the physical offspring, along with their own special talents, while we have given our peoples Arts, Crafts, Medicine, Science, Literature, Philosophy, Religion [Paganism/Satanism], Spirituality, and Leadership. Since Nature has seen to it that there will always be Third Sex people born to heterosexual parents for each and every generation, we are blessed with our Satanic responsibilities to our peoples.

This is the purpose of the Third Sex Thule Society. Nature's Laws are Satan's Laws, and we uphold these Laws, despite what our deluded Christian opponents who think they know what Nature intended, like to believe. We are rescuing ourselves from Jewish liberalism and freeing ourselves from cultural Marxism, which is secular Christianity. We know that Christianity is a Communist doctrine, regardless of whether it comes in its liberal or conservative forms, and we recognize that ALL Christianity benefits the Jewish people and no one else. We are finished helping the Jews work for our death and destruction.

As Satanists who embrace true National Socialism, which is Satanic Government that is based upon Natural Law, the Third Sex Thule Society completely rejects the notion of belonging to any form of the Marxist "GBLT Community," and we embrace our Gentile races and cultures, instead. Since our sexuality is only an aspect of ourselves, it is not about "GBLT Pride," but Gentile Pride, as being Gentile Satanists is what makes us who we are. The Jewish people have successfully divided Gentiles over sexual orientation, due to their enforcement of Christian and Islamic so-called "morality," as well as flaunting sexuality in an unbalanced way, as to create backlashes against sexual freedom. This must come to an end.

Despite the hypocritical "Focus on the Family" Christians, since the Jewish character of Jesus Christ is all about destroying the family unit [see Matthew 10:34-40], the members of the Third Sex Thule Society strongly encourage the Gentile Pagan family unit, and we see to it that our Gentile peoples stick together and thrive, rather than perpetuating the Marxist "Us" [the Third Sex] versus "Them" [heterosexuals], when it comes to sexual orientation. We, at the Third Sex Thule Society, shatter these Jewish inventions of Christianity, Islam, and Communism. Everyone must do their Satanic duties in working for Satan and his cause, which leads to our freedom, as well as Satan's victory.

The Third Sex Thule Society 666, GLBT Thule Society 666 12 Comments [10/8/2017 12:22:02 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132667

(This quote is from the Church of Almighty God's holy book, which proclaims a Chinese woman is Jesus Christ returned. That's why it's in the first person)

One must use wisdom in every aspect and use wisdom to walk My perfect way. Those who conduct themselves by My word are the wisest of all and those who conduct themselves in accordance with My word are the most obedient. What I say goes and you need not debate with Me or try to reason with Me. Everything I say I say with you in mind (no matter if I am strict or gentle), if you focus on being obedient that will be fine, and this is the way of true wisdom (and it’s the way to avoid the judgment of God befalling you).

Church of Almighty God, Church of Almighty God 4 Comments [10/9/2017 1:42:43 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132519

Lady Checkmate's headline: "Pray for Atheist Day"

We have our share of fun and laughs with the lies and trollings of atheists, but God knows we love them and pray God's will for their lives (even if we don't like some of the hateful things they do - I learned a long time ago that you can love someone and not like their behavior. Thank God for wisdom). Please keep them in your prayers as Jesus is returning soon.

Don't forget to RECOMMEND. Lets get the Truth out so that Light may shine bright in this dark place and Jesus Christ may be glorified.Even if the discussion is closed, please still RECOMMEND.

Lady Checkmate, Disqus - Faith & Religion 7 Comments [10/9/2017 12:52:43 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 132472

Lady Checkmate's headline: "Homosexual Man that Murdered two Other Men he Sought to Make his Sex Slaves, to defend self"


That is the sexually immoral alt-left thugs for you.
If you believe anything different, you're lying to yourself. Pray and seek God, because it will only get worse. Think Sodom and Gomorrah. They always had equality, so their agenda was NEVER about equality, it was about dominance.

Lady Checkmate, Disqus - News Network 4 Comments [10/9/2017 12:38:03 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 132685

Forget about the debate as to whether the earth is hollow or not. What none of us can deny, on any continent, of any race, or of any era, is there are DEEP caverns and cave systems below our feet. There are rivers and entire oceans below our feet. There are volcanic vents that heat the water, there is algae that live near those subterranean vents that produce oxygen, and there is an ecosystem and food chain as a result. There is a multitude of glowing organisms and plant life (and cool glowing mushrooms like in the fairy tales and movies) and every reason to believe humans sought refuge down below.

Every race, tall, short, and especially pale or albino looking, would be a prime suspect to have broken off at some time and gone below.. just ask the Hopi Indians, who claim to have emerged from the grand canyon. I ask you to watch this video, it is slow paced, but informative and visually interesting to say the least, and think about the ramifications of what it means.

Maybe living on a planet's surface, or fighting over it as we do, is like a bunch of fools fighting over the real estate nobody wants. Maybe Inner world kingdoms, with their consistent temperatures, and shelter from cosmic catastrophe, is the real prime real estate, and we on the surface are used to grow food, and provide other services to these inner earth "gods".

We often talk about Space beings. Lets talk about the underworld, as it is in many myths as well, and is probably much easier for us to explore than deep space. Thoughts?

Anonymous Coward, Godlike Productions 7 Comments [10/9/2017 2:03:54 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132731

Psychology has been taken over by women, that’s the problem.

Burgerhampton, West Hunter  4 Comments [10/9/2017 2:18:01 AM]
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