Quote# 52990

[In a discussion under the article "Getting the Whole Story out on Christians and Homosexuality".]

Imagine, If there were no Christians in the World to declare Morality that God has established, Imagine if there was no one to say that stealing was wrong, or that murder was not right.

Imagine if there was no one to reveal the wrong in killing unborn babies, or what if there was no one to tell of the dangers and destruction that homosexuality brings into a person's life.

What kind of Society would we be left with.? Babies killed by the millions world wide,

sickness and diease would engulf mankind do to un-natural lifestyle's.

It would be a world with love, and without the restraint's of a Lovong God.

God in your Grace, never let that happen.

artm, The Christian Post article comments 43 Comments [11/27/2008 5:21:11 AM]
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Submitted By: GreenEyedLilo

Quote# 52918

Trying to prove God to an atheist is like trying to prove there were WMDs in Iraq to a Bush-hater.

I gave a Bush-hater about 30 pages of evidence of WMDs from the internet (which he so loves) but he merely glanced at them and set them aside.

He didn't want to hear.

Prairiewoman, prophecyfellowship.org 67 Comments [11/27/2008 5:32:15 AM]
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Submitted By: Dan Hendricks

Quote# 53203

"Since evolutionists say the early atmosphere contained no oxygen where do they claim the millions of years of rain came from since oxygen is half of the combination of water". Good question. Ask 'em that. Yeah, good question. They had to have oxygen to make this water.

Kent Hovind, kent-hovind.com 56 Comments [11/27/2008 2:03:54 PM]
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Quote# 140997

Martin: That article is utter nonsense. Homosexuality is not innate, it is a chosen behaviour.

DavidS: When did you choose to be heterosexual?

Martin: I chose not to sin with a person who was not my wife.

DavidS: When did you choose you were going to be exclusively attracted to women?

Martin: The ultimate pathetic argument. I suggest you reread my last post.

DavidS: Typical avoidance tactics from you - do you have a phobia to answering questions? Perhaps an allergy? Does answering questions make you come out in a rash which is why you use avoidance and distraction tactics?
When did you choose you were going to be exclusively attracted to women?

Martin: Again
Read what I wrote above. The basis on which you ask your question is wrong, making the question meaningless.

DavidS: I see, going out of your way to avoid answering the question, because you have no real answer.
I suspect the honest answer (if you were ever able to give one) would be that you didn't choose because your sexuality is just a natural part of who you are, just as homosexuality is a natural part of who a person is. Or perhaps you haven't chosen, and are ignoring your true sexuality which might explain a lot. Studies have shown those who strongly oppose homosexuality often do it out of self-loathing and non-acceptance of their own true sexuality.

Martin: David
Can you show me where Jesus spoke of sexuality? Of course you can't, He didn't because it doesn't exist. He spoke of a man and woman marrying and becoming one, yet He never spoke of gay marriage. He knew that homosexuality is nothing more that sexual sin, like adultery or paedophilia, a rejection of God's design for mankind.
There is only one reason you speak of sexuality, and that is to excuse sin. There are no loving monogamous homosexual relationships, just people satisfying their lust.
So carry on with your little god and your little jesus that you have created. But remember this, one day you will have to stand before the real Lord Jesus Christ who will judge you on what you have done. On that day He will tell you that He never knew you.

Martin, Archbishop Cranmer 21 Comments [10/20/2018 1:40:15 PM]
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Submitted By: CC

Quote# 140999

"We call these practices [anti-government demonstrations] perverse, sinister, diabolic, satanic, because they are not in keeping with our faith or our Christian principles. Crimes of hate, the whims of malevolent individuals; but God is the one who judges, and God is the one who leads us along righteous paths".

Rosario Murillo, Vice President and First Lady of Nicaragua, Amnesty International  7 Comments [10/20/2018 8:30:14 PM]
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Quote# 141002

[Re. The Force Awakens]

First, my opinion of the film overall. The latest STAR WAR VII film is awful. I remember seeing Star Wars: A New Hope three times when I was ten years old. The first two films were really great, but George Lucas messed up Return Of The Jedi with animated character Jabba the Hutt's big tongue licking on Princess Leia scantily clad body. That was just low-class and stupid in my opinion. What is it with Hollywood and big tongues licking women, like in Jurassic Park II and numerous other movies? PERVERTS! The three STAR WARS prequels were better than I expected, mainly because of great acting by Samuel Jackson and a well-selected cast of actors.

Unfortunately, STAR WARS VII has the lousiest cast of actors. For the first time, political correctness became a major factor in the film's script. At the beginning of the movie, a Storm Trooper removes his white helmet, so you can clearly see a black man's face with big negro lips. I'm not racist, nor am I trying to be unkind, but it offends me when film writers intentionally shove someone else's skin color in my face. If you understand the sinister agenda behind the Devil's New World Order (NWO)—which is the Beast system of the coming Antichrist—then you understand that Satan is trying to break down all human barriers of language, race, ethnicity, culture, national borders, sexuality, parental authority, and Christianity.

The Devil is also intentionally confusing the sexes concerning gender, corrupting the Bible versions, confusing people with umpteen religions, morality and the value of life. People are so confused these days about everything. This is an agenda of the NWO, so that a confused people will become vulnerable and powerless in such a comatose state of mind. Televisions are nothing more than indoctrination devices used by the Devil, lobotomizing the masses from the truth.

It is obvious that the latest STAR WARS VII sequel is loaded with Pentagon propaganda to lure young women to join the military. The film pushes women in combat. The central female figure in the film is portrayed as capable of doing anything. She can operate and fly any vehicle, do anything better than a man, defeat men in combat, fight anything, et cetera. SHE-MAN!!! The film is total agenda-driven brainwashing!!! It's a false reality, attempting to seduce people into a false second reality.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Precious 36 Comments [10/20/2018 9:08:36 PM]
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Quote# 141019

Sid Rumpo: Ah yes, the good old days when homosexuals were reviled, jailed and tortured with drugs. We are no longer savages, which is why it is perfectly fine for a rainbow flag to be on display in a church.

Peter Watson: Tortured by guilt for their sins perhaps. Hence the Gospel - for all are sinners but sinners who refuse to repent are unsavable. And by the way you are blocked.

Peter Watson, Archbishop Cranmer 6 Comments [10/22/2018 1:23:35 PM]
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Submitted By: CC

Quote# 140984

(He's referring to Taylor Swift)

A pop deva descending deeper and deeper into darkness.

By the time she is 40 she will be a complete mess like Jackson, Winehouse, etc.

The devil knows when to take them. When they are completely his.

King Wenceslas, Cathinfo 19 Comments [10/18/2018 5:59:28 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 138226

As of 2009, there was no fully conservative translation of the Bible which satisfies the following ten guidelines:[4]

Framework against Liberal Bias: providing a strong framework that enables a thought-for-thought translation without corruption by liberal bias. For example, the Living Bible translation has liberal evolutionary bias;[5] the widely used NIV translation has a pro-abortion bias.[6]
Not Emasculated: avoiding unisex, "gender inclusive" language, and other feminist distortions; preserve many references to the unborn child (the NIV deletes these)
Not Dumbed Down: not dumbing down the reading level, or diluting the intellectual force and logic of Christianity;[7] the NIV is written at only the 7th grade level[8]
Utilize Terms which better capture original intent: using powerful new conservative terms to capture better the original intent;[9] Defective translations use the word "comrade" three times as often as "volunteer"; similarly, updating words that have a change in meaning, such as "word", "peace", and "miracle".
Combat Harmful Addiction: combating addiction[10] by using modern terms for it, such as "gamble" rather than "cast lots";[11] using modern political terms, such as "register" rather than "enroll" for the census
Accept the Logic of Hell: applying logic with its full force and effect, as in not denying or downplaying the very real existence of Hell or the Devil.
Express Free Market Parables; explaining the numerous economic parables with their full free-market meaning
Exclude Later-Inserted Inauthentic Passages: excluding the interpolated passages that liberals commonly put their own spin on, such as the adulteress story
Credit Open-Mindedness of Disciples: crediting open-mindedness, often found in youngsters like the eyewitnesses Mark and John, the authors of two of the Gospels
Prefer Conciseness over Liberal Wordiness: preferring conciseness to the liberal style of high word-to-substance ratio; avoid compound negatives and unnecessary ambiguities.
Thus, a project began among editors at Conservapedia to translate the Bible in accordance with these principles. The translated Bible can be found here.

Benefits include:

mastery of the Bible, which is priceless
mastery of the English language, which is valuable
thorough understanding of the differences in Bible translations, particularly the historically important King James Version
benefiting from activity that no public school would ever allow; a Conservative Bible could become a text for public school courses
political issues can become a pathway to evangelizing liberals
liberals will oppose this effort, but they will have to read the Bible to criticize this, and that will open their minds
this project has a unifying effect on various Christian denominations, and serves as an important counterweight to liberal efforts to divide conservative candidates based on religion

Andy Schlafly, Conservapedia  14 Comments [6/20/2018 3:40:07 AM]
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Submitted By: Jacob Harrison

Quote# 127848

Chanakya Neeti: Never host these people in your homes (or your life!)

Do not host such people in your life

Often, we are in a fix about how to say "No" to people --- there are many people (in our social circle) whom we don't like, yet we are obliged to host them at our homes and at social gatherings just because we "have to". However, according to the great philosopher Chanakya, there are certain kinds of people one should never host or even acknowledge. Read on to know more...

[...]

One who has no knowledge on Vedas

According to Chanakya, a person who has no knowledge about Vedas should not be befriended. The Vedas are a powerhouse of knowledge and the values of life. One should believe in Vedas and have knowledge about the holy scriptures.

Why so?

It is said that people who does not believe in Vedas will not have any streak of positivity in them --- they will only think evil and even probably even do evil. One should not acknowledge such people in their life.

Ishita Sharma, Speaking Tree 16 Comments [6/5/2017 6:13:40 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 53336

Well, I for one will listen to a Godly professor over the rantings of an evolutionist who resides in Europe's most immoral city. Amsterdam is ruled by Satan, and it is clear he and his demons have had a direct influence over your limited understanding of the Bible. (I am not saying you are demon possessed, but you should know that there is a strong possibility that demons are 'rat-tat-tat-tatting' at your door).

Garvan, The Garvanian 37 Comments [11/27/2008 9:48:31 PM]
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Submitted By: JonBoy

Quote# 140965

Question: "What was the relationship between David and Jonathan?"

Answer: We know from 1 Samuel 18:1 that Jonathan loved David. Second Samuel 1:26 records David’s lament after Jonathan’s death, in which he said that his love for Jonathan was more wonderful than the love of a woman. Some use these two passages to suggest a homosexual relationship between David and Jonathan. This interpretation, however, should be rejected for at least three reasons.

First, the Hebrew word for “love” used here is not the typical word used for sexual activity. This word for “love” has clear political and diplomatic connotations (see 1 Samuel 16:21 and 1 Kings 5:1). Second, David’s comparison of his relationship with Jonathan with that of women is probably a reference to his experience with King Saul’s daughter. He was promised one of Saul’s daughters for killing Goliath. But Saul continued to add conditions upon this marriage with the underlying desire to have David killed in battle (1 Samuel 18:17, 25). The love David had received from Jonathan was greater than anything he could have received from Saul’s daughter. Third, the Bible clearly and consistently denounces homosexuality (Genesis 1:26-27; Leviticus 18:22; 20:13; Romans 1:18-25). Extolling a homosexual love between David and Jonathan would be contradicting the prohibitions of it found throughout the Bible.

The friendship between David and Jonathan was a covenantal relationship. In 1 Samuel 18:1-5, we read of David and Jonathan forming an agreement. In this agreement, Jonathan was to be second in command in David’s future reign, and David was to protect Jonathan’s family (1 Samuel 20:16-17, 42; 23:16-18).

Obviously, these two men were also very good friends. In their relationship we can see at least three qualities of true friendship. First, they sacrificed for one another. In 1 Samuel 18:4, we read that Jonathan gave David his clothes and military garb. The significance of this gift was that Jonathan recognized that David would one day be king of Israel. Rather than being envious or jealous, Jonathan submitted to God’s will and sacrificed his own right to the throne. Second, in 1 Samuel 19:1-3, we read of Jonathan’s loyalty toward and defense of David. King Saul told his followers to kill David. Jonathan rebuked his father and recalled David’s faithfulness to him in killing Goliath. Finally, Jonathan and David were also free to express their emotions with one another. In 1 Samuel 20, we read of a plan concocted by Jonathan to reveal his father’s plans toward David. Jonathan was going to practice his archery. If he told his servant that the arrows he shot were to the side of the target, David was safe. If Jonathan told his servant that the arrows were beyond the target, David was to leave and not return. Jonathan told the servant that the arrows were beyond the target, meaning that David should flee. After releasing his servant, Jonathan found David and the two men cried together.

Rather than being evidence for a homosexual relationship in the Bible, the account of David and Jonathan is an example of true biblical friendship. True friendship, according to the Bible, involves loyalty, sacrifice, compromise, and yes, emotional attachment. That is what we should learn from David and Jonathan. The idea that the only person in the Bible described as “a man after God’s own heart” (Acts 13:22), was a practicing homosexual (or bisexual) is ridiculous and has no true biblical basis.

Got Questions, Got Questions 11 Comments [10/18/2018 5:53:41 AM]
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Submitted By: I

Quote# 140983

Ah. Well here in Texas, YEC's are pretty common. Majority of my friends believe the book of Genesis to be literal, as do I. My country in general though? About the same... social media on the other hand. It seems to embolden the atheists since the risk of experiencing rightous retribution for showing dissent towards creation is lower. OEC's aren't as common but can still be an annoyance.

Referring to what I think should change? I'd still tart putting regulations on anti YEC speech. At first it would be little things like paying a fine if caught mocking or scoffing at the validity of Genesis. If that's not enough to quell the majority of anti creationist sentiment in society, I'd go with more extreme punishments. Community service, public humiliation, jail time, and even short prison sentences for the most notorious offenders.

ChirpingBirb, r/creation 18 Comments [10/18/2018 5:59:22 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 140955

The issue of homosexual behavior has had a lot of publicity of late. Homosexuals say that the slaves have been freed and women have been liberated, so gay rights are long overdue. Society does seem to be moving in that direction. Many homosexuals are “coming out” and openly declaring their homosexuality. In many parts of the western world, homosexual couples receive the same recognition as heterosexual couples with regard to social security benefits. Some church leaders are giving their blessing to homosexual relationships, homosexual church members and even homosexual ministers.

Many homosexuals’ claim that…

They are made that way.

Homosexuality is of no harm to the participants or to anyone else.

If it feels right to those involved, it is nobody else’s business.

Homosexual relationships and heterosexual relationships are equally valid. (Some even claim that the Bible condones homosexual relationships.)

Made that way?

Since other groups who have been discriminated against (such as women, blacks and the disabled) have been given equal opportunity, homosexuals claim that they, too, should be liberated. However, as one Christian expert has said…

“Gender, race and impairment all relate to what a person is, whereas homosexuality relates to what a person does.”1

In contrast, homosexuals claim that scientific studies have shown that there is a biological basis for homosexuality.

Three main studies are cited by “gay rights” activists in support of their argument2Hamer’s X-chromosome research,3 LeVay’s study of the hypothalamus,4 and Bailey and Pillard’s study of identical twins who were homosexuals.5

In all three cases, the researchers had a vested interest in obtaining a certain outcome because they were homosexuals themselves. More importantly, their studies did not stand up to scientific scrutiny by other researchers. Also, “the media typically do not explain the methodological flaws in these studies, and they typically oversimplify the results.”6 There is no reliable evidence to date that homosexual behavior is determined by a person’s genes.

To the extent that biological or social factors may contribute to a person’s bent toward homosexual behavior, this does not excuse it. Some people have a strong bent towards stealing or abuse of alcohol, but they still choose to engage or not engage in this behavior and the law rightly holds them accountable.

The final report of the Baptist Union of Western Australia (BUWA) Task Force on Human Sexuality states “that a person becomes a homosexual ultimately by choosing to be involved in same-sex activity… This is in contrast to innate characteristics such as gender and ethnicity.”7 The report affirms that “the Bible is clear that sin involves choice, and it unequivocally condemns homosexual behavior as sin.”7

The foundational teaching on marriage and sexual issues is found in Genesis chapters 1 and 2. When Jesus was questioned about marriage, He referred to these 2 chapters (Matthew 19:1-12; Mark 10:1-12). Genesis teaches us that “male and female He created them” (Genesis 1:27). We were created to a plan, male and female complementing each other. That is, God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve, nor Madam and Eve.

Genesis also teaches that God instituted and designed marriage between a man and a woman (Genesis 2:18-25). There are a number of reasons why He did so.

The complementary structure of the male and female anatomy is obviously designed for the normal husband-wife relationships. Clearly, design in human biology supports heterosexuality and contradicts homosexuality.

The combination of male and female enables man (and the animals) to produce and nurture offspring as commanded in Genesis 1:28 “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth.” This command is repeated to Noah after the Flood (Genesis 8:15-17).

But procreation is not the only reason God made humans as sexual beings. The BUWA report affirms “that sexual intimacy between husband and wife is good, and is intended by God for bonding, pleasure and procreation.”7

Thirdly, God gave man and woman complementary roles in order to strengthen the family unit. Woman was to be the helper that man needed (Genesis 2:18). However, the woman’s role as the helpmate is certainly not an inferior one. The enterprising, God-fearing woman in Proverbs 31:10-31 is an inspiring role model.

No harm?

Andrew Lansdown points out that “homosexual activity is notoriously disease-prone. In addition to diseases associated with heterosexual promiscuity, homosexual actions facilitate the transmission of anal herpes, hepatitis B, intestinal parasites, Kaposi’s Sarcoma and AIDS.”1 Research on the life expectancy of a group of homosexual men in Canada in the early 1990s indicated that they could expect 8-21 years less lifespan than other men.8

Effect on others

Secular psychologists assure us that “children raised in lesbian and gay households are similar to children raised in heterosexual households on characteristics such as intelligence, development, moral judgments, self-concepts, social competence and gender identity.”6 The humanists have, however, forgotten one important ingredient.

“Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not depart from it” (Proverbs 22:6).

You cannot faithfully teach God’s Word to your children while living a lifestyle specifically condemned by God’s Word. All Christians are sinners forgiven by God’s grace, but living in a homosexual relationship constitutes habitual, unrepented sin.

Nobody else’s business?

Gay activists claim that homosexual activity is nobody’s business other than those involved in the relationship. However, this is not true. God, our Designer and Creator, has authority over all aspects of our lives. He makes the rules, and He quite specifically forbids homosexual behavior.

“You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination” (Leviticus 18:22; see also Leviticus 20:13).

Disobedience of such a clear command indicates rejection of God’s authority.

Some people argue that the Old Testament law (including Leviticus 18 and 20) was superseded with the coming of Christ. However, we should at least consider as binding those aspects of the law that are renewed in the New Testament. The teaching of Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 was certainly reaffirmed in the New Testament.

Equally valid?

Some people claim that homosexual behavior was only condemned in the Bible because it was associated with idolatry (e.g., 1 Kings 14:24). However, it is clearly condemned apart from idolatry as well (e.g,. Leviticus 18:22). It is described in Scripture as an unnatural, immoral perversion.

“For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another…” (Romans 1:26-27).

The Greek word arsenokoitai used in 1 Timothy 1:10 literally means “men who sleep with men.” It is the same Greek word used for “homosexual offender” in 1 Corinthians 6:9, variously translated as “abusers of themselves with mankind” (KJV), homosexuals (NASB) or homosexual offender (NIV).

Some people claim that the sin involved in Sodom was rejecting hospitality customs or selfishness rather than homosexual behavior. Certainly, the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah was great and their reported sin was grievous to God (Genesis 18:20). God sent angels to Sodom and…

“Now before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both old and young, all the people from every quarter, surrounded the house. And they called to Lot and said to him, Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have sex with them” (Genesis 19:4-5).

“While it is true that the Hebrew word yadha does not necessarily mean ‘to have sex with,’ nonetheless in the context of Sodom and Gommorah, it clearly had this meaning. …It means ‘to know sexually’ in this very chapter when Lot refers to his two daughters not having “known” a man (19:8).”9 You would not offer virgins to appease a mob if their sin was lack of hospitality, but only if their desire was sexual.

Although Ezekiel 16:49 condemns Sodom for its selfishness with regard to poverty, etc., this does not contradict its condemnation for homosexual practices. “The very next verse of Ezekiel (verse 50) calls their sin an ‘abomination.’ This is the same Hebrew word used to describe homosexual sins in Leviticus 18:22.”10

It is also used in Scripture to describe such things like the practice of offering children to Moloch, but never such things as mere selfishness or lack of hospitality. Even in legal parlance, the word used to refer to one aspect of homosexual practice is ‘sodomy.’

Another argument is that Jonathon and David were homosexuals as “Jonathan loved David” (1 Sam. 18:3), that Jonathan stripped in David’s presence (18:4), [and] that they kissed each other (20:41).11

However, “David’s love for Jonathan was not sexual (erotic) but a friendship (philic) love. And Jonathan did not strip himself of all his clothes, but only of his armor and royal robe (1 Sam. 18:4).”12 Also, a kiss was a normal greeting in that day, such as when Judas kissed Jesus. In several cultures today, men normally greet each other with a kiss, too. Further, David’s love for his wives, especially Bathsheba (2 Samuel 11), clearly reveals his heterosexual orientation.

Isaiah 56:3 states that eunuchs will not be excluded from God’s presence (“my temple”), but practicing homosexuals are not eunuchs. Eunuchs have no sexual relations at all.

Other Scriptural arguments for homosexuality can similarly be easily refuted. It is clear that heterosexual marriage is the only form of marriage sanctioned in the Bible and that homosexual practice is always condemned.

[See: What does the Bible say about same sex marriages? Answer]

Punishment

The Bible not only describes homosexual behavior as detestable, but it also calls for the punishment of those involved (Leviticus 20:13). Their unrepentant attitude caused God to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 19:24-25).

Just as homosexual conduct has been punished in the past, so it will also be punished by God in the future.

“…Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Corinthians 6:9-10).

Hope

However, there is hope for the homosexual. God forgives and cleanses a person who repents and turns from their sin, including the sin of homosexual behavior (1 Corinthians 6:11). As well as forgiveness, God’s grace brings with it the power to live a life that is pleasing to God (Romans 6:6-7). If repentance and reform are genuine, prior homosexual actions should not be a bar to church membership or ministry, as all Christians are reformed sinners.

“Liberal” churches espouse tolerance of homosexual behavior in the name of “love.” They plug for the acceptance of homosexual conduct as normal, “because they can’t help it.” They are not only wrong about the latter, but they are actually not being at all loving towards homosexuals, because, contrary to the Bible, they reduce the homosexual person to the level of an animal, driven by instinct. In removing moral responsibility from the person, they dehumanize them, whereas the Bible says we are made in the image of God (Genesis 1:26-27), with the power of moral choice.

Furthermore, the gospel proclaims liberation from the bondage of sin, including homosexual sin, whereas the “liberals” tell the homosexual that they cannot help it, and they can’t help them either, so they will accept them as they are! However, many a person has been gloriously rescued from the bondage of homosexual sin (and other sin) by the power of the Holy Spirit, but only Bible-believing Christians can offer such hope.

Conclusion

As with all moral issues, our beliefs about our origin determine our attitude. If we believe that we arose from slime by a combination of random chance events and the struggle for survival, it is understandable to say that there is no higher authority, and we can make our own rules. However, if there is a loving God who planned us and gave commands for us to follow, then we must do so. God has set forth His standards in the Bible, beginning with the foundational teaching in the book of Genesis.

Christian Answers, Christian Answers 10 Comments [10/18/2018 5:50:50 AM]
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Quote# 141005

[ in respnse to a 12 year old being killed by a crocodile]
@tunabreath:
I hope this may help some of you on both sides (pro gator/poor child, family and friends)
My daughter was warned to NEVER go to a sand pit on the property next door where she liked to go to catch bullfrog tadpoles. She was warned about the drop-offs and how dangerous they can be, how so many children drown in them. The day after a most severe warning she sneaked off with her younger brother and her friend. [b
]She sneaked away and she drowned.[/b] Did she deserve it? No. Is it her fault? Yes

She was almost 11, she was a very bright girl who attended William and Mary University as part of the "Gifted" program, so she wasn't stupid. Maybe she thought she was so smart she thought she knew better. She was hard headed.
I know it was her fault. I don't want or need the pit filled in or have a fence around it even though it was offered(revenge). I doubt anyone will ever go there again for a long time except to visit the place where she died. The death of a child devastates a community.



Sorry for your loss tunabreath. But the fact that people - even 11-12 year old children, bear tragic consequences for their stupid choices, doesn't change my opinion.

People cannot be protected from every possible danger in the world. They certainly cannot be protected from themselves if they wish to act recklessly or foolishly.

A greater percentage of kids who choose to ride bikes without helmets, swim with gators, or ignore their parents' repeated instructions about avoiding water-filled sandpits are going to die than kids who wear their helmets, swim in safe places or at least get their foolish asses out of the water when the gators slide their asses in, or listen to their parents' repeated stern warnings.

And that, IMO, is how it should be.

Do the dead kids "deserve" to die? Well, not if you think that means they were "bad" people to whom "bad" things should occur. But I do not think it is really a terrible thing when people bear the consequences of their reckless behavior.

Personally, I get a lot more broken up about a little kid who develops cancer, than some kid who endangers himself. Many people have commented that there isn't exactly a shortage of alligators. Well, it doesn't look like we are in danger of running out of 12 year old kids either.

And I feel VERY strongly about the inherent good of wild places and wildlife.

Unfortunately, I think most humans are too shortsighted or outright ignorant to realize the harm they are doing their descendants countless generations down the line when they cut down, drain, and pave increasing amounts of natural habitat. For the most part, people do not move into swamps, forests, and mountains out of necessity. Instead, it is done out of selfish preference (at least in developed countries).

Again, I far prefer that stupid and/or reckless kids die, than those who heed their parent's warnings and exercise common sense. Recalling back to nature shows on public TV, isn't it the foolish and reckless specimens (in addition to the old or sick) that get culled from the herd? Sorry you guys dislike having such terms applied to your particular species of beast, but your indignation does not make those terms any less accurate.

Dinsdale, The Straight Dope 8 Comments [10/20/2018 9:12:17 PM]
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Quote# 52863

Basically, when a child turns out homosexual, the parents probably wonder why they bothered. They grit their teeth and get on with it, paying lip-service to the hope that the child is happy, but I doubt they particularly enjoy the experience. If it's an only child then it's a probably a disaster for obvious reasons.

Roger Chapman, A "secular" case against gay marriage 57 Comments [11/25/2008 5:54:48 AM]
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Submitted By: Thomas Langham

Quote# 141004

Today's Laugh 10-19-18



(can't provide a transcription for this one as I literally have no idea what's going on or who these people are)

Mick Williams, Disqus - Faith & Religion 8 Comments [10/20/2018 9:10:01 PM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 11439

[Posters's responses to an article about black holes which said 'The one-way journey from the heart of a galaxy into the oblivion of a black hole probably takes about 200,000 years']

[Kitagrl's post]
Ummm okay, so ask the evolutionists howcome we haven't been sucked up yet?

[John81's post]
Now you know you can't ask evolutionists to provide any real facts or logical reasoning to support their insanity, I mean theory.

[Jerry's post]
I love how they quote facts like hundreds of thousands and millions of years for something to happen or have happened - seeing as this universe has only existed for about 6000 years...

[Chelle's post]
Yes, exactly. And who was supposed to have been around to record this bit of history -- apes?

Kitagrl, Online Baptist 30 Comments [5/6/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: Rishie

Quote# 52939

Special school for 'Gay' students?!

I can't believe this!!

A school on MSN.com news that is designed for gay students... (can't post the link because I'm too new). the article title is "Victims of bullying may get their own school".

Okay...originally it was meant for students who identify as gay. After protests, the organizers decided it would be for students who had been bullied, for whatever reason in 'normal' schools...including weight, sexuality and get this...religious beliefs. Yet, of the 600 future students, they expect about half to be gay. Can we say gay activitst breeding ground?!?!

DrSoup, Rapture Ready 35 Comments [11/25/2008 7:10:26 PM]
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Quote# 108407

The problem was that the revolutions of the preceding century had robbed the king of the ability to do what the colonists wanted him to do: “the late eighteenth- century British monarchy was in no position to function as the ‘pervading' and ‘superintending' power of the empire. The constitutional settlement that followed the Glorious Revolution had definitively subjected the king to Parliament, drastically curtailing his prerogatives and recasting him as a pure ‘executive.' The powers of state that legally remained with the Crown were no longer in fact wielded by the person of the king, but rather by ministers who were required to command a parliamentary majority (and who themselves sat in one of the two houses).”

American patriots were conservatives, even reactionaries, who proposed “to turn back the clock on the English constitution by over a hundred years— to separate the king from his Parliament and his British ministers and to restore ancient prerogatives of the Crown that had been extinguished by the whig ascendancy. These theorists wanted more monarchy, not less. Their complaint, as summarized by Benjamin Franklin, was that the Lords and Commons ‘seem to have been long encroaching on the Rights of their and our Sovereign, assuming too much of his Authority, and betraying his Interests.'”

Nelson observes, “Defenders of the British administration during the revolutionary period did not accuse patriots of being crypto- epublicans, but rather of being de facto Jacobites and absolutists” (2). This wasn't accurate, but the fact that they made the charge is itself revealing.

Peter J. Leithart, First Things 28 Comments [5/7/2015 2:45:11 AM]
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Submitted By: AJ Williams

Quote# 50838

I think a lot of these bloggers for Obama are full of crap with this "he sold me" crap. That's right he is doing just that, getting you all with words. Don't you all know from experience that these politicians are good with words? I believe America "One nation under GOD" should remember that, we should trust God more. And the guy with the comment about reading a history book and that history repeats itself.Read your Bible.That's what is wrong with our country now, we are pushing God out of everything and we WILL pay for it. especially if the candidate that wins doesn't get guidance from God. I havent read anything pertaining to God come out of Obama's mouth. We as American's would elect the Anti Crhrist!! HOW? Cause we want change and peace, and that is just what he(the Anti Christ) is going to offer this world. AGAIN, READ YOUR BIBLE'S.

Kim, Topix 42 Comments [10/29/2008 8:08:16 PM]
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Quote# 140954

[Lyrics for "Remember Him (R. Hess)"]

A political soldier
Tried to make Europe great
But we, all national soldiers
We all know his fate
In the Nürnberg court
He was sentenced to lifetime
But I still wonder
What was his crime?
Heil heil heil for dignity
Heil heil heil for the final victory!

I know that one day
Over the world wide
People will heil your
Loyalty and Pride
Rudolf Hess you will be
In history
As a symbol for peace and
For White solidarity

They took away your family
Your freedom and life
But the loyalty
And the pride never dies
Now your fight for Europe
It´s still going strong
And so it will be
Until that we have won

Dirlewanger, Flashlyrics 7 Comments [10/18/2018 5:50:43 AM]
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Submitted By: JeanP

Quote# 111310

That is exactly what Rev. Wright was saying. When you don't take his words out of context he's saying God is not blessing America anymore he is damning it. Just pick up a newspaper.....look at our morals today. The devil dances for joy as mother's kill their babies, father's kill whole families, rapes and murders and child molesting. Even Christians yell, "kill" to illegal immigrants and other poor and helpless. Women sleep with so many men they cannot say who the father is and it's politically incorrect to even 'shame' her. Our television set is full of murder, torture, and crimes against women and children. We are already ruled by Satanists as far as I'm concerned.

Sharktooth Martin, Christian News Network 23 Comments [7/31/2015 2:50:28 AM]
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Quote# 114035

While America is busy partying, playing sports and moving away from God the enemy has come into the camp. The countries will wake up when it’s to late. How come the political candidates aren’t showing these videos? Because all they care about is themselves and the power they are after. I pray that Christ will come soon because I’m so sick of it all, society cares more about Hollywood and cell phones then what the future is going to present them. Halloween has surpassed Christmas now in sales and violence is everywhere, yes I know it’s the sign of the times and your representatives aren’t doing anything about it and they won’t. Say goodbye to your freedom soon and. Be prepared to see a lot of blood being shed because we don’t assimilate either to their deitys and the wickedness they want us to bow down to. A lot of blood and wars have been fought for the cross and more are to come. As the church stays asleep and without a march of their own in the streets these rats keep producing and taking orders from the pit. Wake up America were in judgement.

Dawn, Now The End Begins 19 Comments [10/31/2015 7:01:37 PM]
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Quote# 52680

My 7 year old is smart enough to look at his toys and know they didn't just get there by chance. Those toys did not just evolve out of a premordial soup, no, those simple toys had a Maker.
How much more so the complexity of the Sun, or even our cells, so complex, but we are expected to believe that something that complex just arrived by chance.
You can believe that, but as for me, I believe in God, and I believe that God came down in the person of Jesus to save us from our sins.

Laurie, boston 62 Comments [11/23/2008 6:08:00 AM]
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